Jeremiah Wright

Although none of my people were slave traders or owners, I apologize. There--all better?

Terry,

I listened to his speech and I saw a glaring contradiction.

Early in his speech said that how we see God is important, and if we see Him as over us and judging us that affects how we see other people.

Then a little while later he quotes Galatians in saying that God will not be mocked and that we reap what we sow.

He needs to choose, as do his compatriots, whether they want to serve God as He truly is or whether they have the luxury of reinventing god in their own shameful image.

BTW, Terry, I cannot to atone for the sins of somebody else. Only the blood of Jesus truly reconciles, and there was a time that Jeremiah Wright knew that. Apologizing for other people's sins 150 years ago, or a government's sins that carried on without my vote 50 years ago, in a nation where more Africans ARE CHOOSING to come to the United States today than are ever choosing to go to Africa, would be ridiculous. Ever since Zimbabwe did as Wright wants done, the nation has been a disaster.

SheikBen wrote:BTW, Terry, I cannot to atone for the sins of somebody else. Only the blood of Jesus truly reconciles, and there was a time that Jeremiah Wright knew that. Apologizing for other people's sins 150 years ago, or a government's sins that carried on without my vote 50 years ago, in a nation where more Africans ARE CHOOSING to come to the United States today than are ever choosing to go to Africa, would be ridiculous. Ever since Zimbabwe did as Wright wants done, the nation has been a disaster.

And Wright should have "learned his lesson" from Liberia.

Or a "quick course" on Washington, DC .... or Detroit, ....... shouda been a nuff.

Turn a Government over to the blacks .......... and the Government will turn over.

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SheikBen wrote:Terry,

I listened to his speech and I saw a glaring contradiction.

Early in his speech said that how we see God is important, and if we see Him as over us and judging us that affects how we see other people.

Then a little while later he quotes Galatians in saying that God will not be mocked and that we reap what we sow.

He needs to choose, as do his compatriots, whether they want to serve God as He truly is or whether they have the luxury of reinventing god in their own shameful image.

Good points. Moreover, how do we know that the Jihadists are not reaping what they have sown by being invaded by the "Crusaders?"

The point about Muslims being the other fold threw me for a loop. Jesus was saying that although he came to the Jews first that the Gospel would extend to Gentiles, as well. However, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no one can come to the Father but through Him--not Mohammad. (John 14:6)

Is Jeremiah Wright a colossal disaster for Barack Obama or a press trick?

SWINE organizer!
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/columnists/louis/index.html

The Rev. Dr. Barbara Reynolds and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright at the National Press Club event Monday, which was organized by Reynolds.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn't have done more damage to Barack Obama's campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that's just what one friend of Wright wanted.

Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with, Barbara Reynolds.

A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).

It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter.

I might suggest that an Obama win would be "bad for business" for the victicrats like Wright and Farrakhan.

Maybe subconsciously Wright realizes this and does not want Obama to win.

SheikBen wrote:I might suggest that an Obama win would be "bad for business" for the victicrats like Wright and Farrakhan.

Maybe subconsciously Wright realizes this and does not want Obama to win.

Wright! If a black non-descendant of a slave (Obama's father was a free African) was elected President, then it would take Wright's argument away. So, perhaps he wants Obama to lose so he can show how racist America really is? So, Wright is doing the work of the KKK!

there is a certain co-dependence on the part of the racist left and the racist right.

The difference is that very few Republicans pay any attention to the racists on the right, whereas the racist left always gets a hearing.

Ya know what hacks me off about the Wrights and the race-baiters on the left? It's not that they speak their minds--I believe in frankness of speech rather than this emasculated tip-toeing that we get from our leaders. It's that they want to speak their minds without criticism (accusing someone of all sorts of evil when they dare question them) while all the while trying to silence free speech on the right.

I listened to his speech and I saw a glaring contradiction.

Early in his speech said that how we see God is important, and if we see Him as over us and judging us that affects how we see other people.

Then a little while later he quotes Galatians in saying that God will not be mocked and that we reap what we sow.

He needs to choose, as do his compatriots, whether they want to serve God as He truly is or whether they have the luxury of reinventing god in their own shameful image.

All of our Gods are "invented" in our own image- shameful or otherwise. What's the point in even having a God other than to justify our "image"?

As to "glaring contradictions", life is full of 'em. And when one talks as much as this guy does, one is almost certain to iterate a few.

Well, Zig, I'd say that there are those who wish to see God as He actually is, and then those that wish God would conform to their own personal desires.

The two groups are as different as apples and tangerines.

You are right, of course, that people face challenges in being consistent. I think that this Wright fellow has an unfortunately severe form of the universal disease, however.

Naturally, Zig, those who wish to see God as He actually is, will at times be wrong about their assumptions, but their intent is right.

SheikBen wrote:Well, Zig, I'd say that there are those who wish to see God as He actually is, and then those that wish God would conform to their own personal desires.

But you repeat yourself. God is the very deification of our personal desires.

The two groups are as different as apples and tangerines.

No. They are one and the same kind of groups. "As He actually is" and "wishing that God would confirm to their own personal desires" are the same. Who would tolerate a God that does not confirm to his or her personal desires?

Do you know anyone who hates his or her God? And if we do come to hate our God, we very quickly morph God into a brand new One.

You are right, of course, that people face challenges in being consistent. I think that this Wright fellow has an unfortunately severe form of the universal disease, however.

You feel that way mostly because you don't understand his God any more than he understands yours. Do you disagree with his assertion that the God of the slave traders and the God of the slaves were different Gods?

The man may be inconsistent. But he is honest enough to admit that our respective Gods are inconsistent with one another, too.

SheikBen wrote:Naturally, Zig, those who wish to see God as He actually is, will at times be wrong about their assumptions, but their intent is right.

Oh, our intents are always "right"- as defined by our personal desires. And so our Gods are always the "right" God- "as He actually is"- for our own purposes.