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Post by Keli Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:13 pm

CLICK HERE: Ron Paul Newsletters Unearthed: Claim MLK a Gay Pedophile, Praise David Duke, Speculate 1993 WTC Bombing Was Mossad Job...
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Post by Keli Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:20 pm

Ron Paul Issues Statement
Ron Pau Campaign ^ | January 8, 2008 | Ron Paul


The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.

“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’

“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.

“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publically taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name
(Excerpt) Read more at ronpaul2008.com ...

Hey, Ron. The "I didn't write it or say it" routine is getting stale... If your name is on it--you own it!
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Post by Stephanie Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:35 pm

Keli what is getting stale is the rehashing of this garbage. The truth of the matter is, other than what Aaron and some other detractors consider inconsistancy in Paul's position on earmarks, nobody can find any chink in Paul's armor of personal, professional, and political integrity.

I'm beginning to think Dr. Paul is correct on something else. Perhaps the machine is fearful of Paul's success.
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Post by Aaron Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:08 pm

Did you reat the entire article in the link Stephanie?

As for a chink in Dr. Paul's armor, I would think that calling a kid fat who questioned Dr. Pauls stance on the drug war is at the very least a chink in his professional armour, wouldn't you!!!

YouTube source from 1988 Morton Downy Jr. Show


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Post by Keli Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:13 pm

Racist Pull Quotes:

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”

Source: The Ron Paul Report, “Los Angeles Racial Terrorism”

“Black males age 13 that have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary, and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political/Survival report, 1990-1994, excerpted by the Austin Chronicle

Conspiracist Pull Quotes:

“We now know that we are under assault from thugs and revolutionaries who hate Euro-American civilization and everything it stands for: private property, material success for those who earn it, and Christian morality.”

“In San Francisco and perhaps other cities, says expert Burt Blumert, the rioting was led by red-flag carrying members of the Revolutionary Communist Party and the Workers World Party, both Trotskyite-Maoist.”

“Many people tried to buy guns to protect themselves. But, whoops, California has a 14-day waiting period. And then, just to make sure honest Californians could not get ammunition for the firearms they already owned (poor ragefilled youth might be shot), Mayor Tom Bradley ordered all gun and ammo shops closed, a great help to criminals who had stocked up earlier, or who could simply break in and loot.”

“Several days after the violence ended, we learned that there would have been blacks on the King jury—if the NAACP hadn’t engaged in jury tampering by telling potential black jurors that it was their racial duty to convict the cops. The blacks admitted this to defense lawyers, and were rightly excluded from jury. This is a serious crime, but the NAACP will not be prosecuted.”

“Two years ago, in a series of predictions for the 1990s, I said that race riots would erupt in our large cities. I’m now predicting this will be the major problem of the 1990s.” [Helter Skelter, anybody?—ed.]

Source: The Ron Paul Report, “Los Angeles Racial Terrorism”

“Last month I reported on massive, illegal spying by the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai Brith against its perceived opponents, as revealed in California. The ADL keeps track of people and groups from left to right, and purchases illegally obtained information on Americans from its agents in police departments in order to prepare and maintain hundreds of thousands of dossiers.”

“The [Los Angeles] Times also brought to light the ADL’s work against ‘cults,’ especially interesting given the BATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms]-ADL connection.”

“It was such a seminar [i.e. a cult awareness training seminar], arranged by the ADL, that targeted the Branch Davidians in the first place.”

Source: The Ron Paul Survival Report, June 15, 1993

“The intensity with which Israel lobbies in the U.S. Congress is surpassed only by its media campaigns to drown all criticism of Israel. Prominent U.S. Editors and media owners don’t even pretend to objectivity on the issue. They all follow the advice of Norman Podhoretz, editor of the influential neo-conservative magazine Commentary….” [Our emphasis –ed.]

“This bias [Martin Peretz’s] informs every opinion expressed in The New Republic. For example, it opposed Contra aid until the Sandinista government showed sympathy for the PLO.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political Report, date uncertain

“If this walking bomb had gone off, it would have demolished the House Chamber and most of the congressmen in it. Yet this attempted terrorist attack was buried by the media. Why? Because the perpetrator was an undoubtedly mad Israeli, furious over alleged slights to his country… [T]he Israeli lobby deep-sixed the story, and no one outside of Congress ever head about it.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political Report, date uncertain

“The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend.”

“[Hillary Clinton] is one of the most dangerous women in public life. Not only is she a fanatical abortion advocate, she wants parents to register with the government as a condition for having children to be able to sue and `divorce’ themselves from their parents. Maybe her daughter ought to sue her parents for attempting to raise her as a leftist. That sure qualifies as abuse to me.”

“Disgruntled taxpayer Dean Hicks fired bombs through mortars at night at buildings of the Internal Revenue Service in California. Hicks did damage federal property, but no individuals were injured… Hicks was sentenced to 20 years in prison, given a $45,000 fine, and ordered to pay $335,000 in restitution to the IRS. If he had been a serial murderer, he would not have gotten this sort of sentence.”

“There is good news after the L.A. riots. Statewide, gun sales are up 45% over the same period last year. People have been purchasing a record number. If the cops are not going to take care of the problem, the people will.”



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Post by Stephanie Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:40 pm

Aaron wrote:Did you reat the entire article in the link Stephanie?

As for a chink in Dr. Paul's armor, I would think that calling a kid fat who questioned Dr. Pauls stance on the drug war is at the very least a chink in his professional armour, wouldn't you!!!

YouTube source from 1988 Morton Downy Jr. Show

Of course I didn't read all that swill.

Was the kid fat?

I see Keli has posted more quotes he's attributing to Dr. Paul. I can't speak to the authenticity of them, but I can tell you I agree with some of them, whether he uttered them or not.

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”


“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

I'm thinking Al Sharpton etc.

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?”

Aaron, now that I've read through most of them, I'm hoping he really said most of them. No wonder why I admire him so much. He has the courage to be politically incorrect. I agree with far more of those statements than I disagree with.
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Post by Aaron Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:57 pm

Stephanie wrote:Was the kid fat?

Nope but it doesn't matter. You said Dr. Paul is professional, a man of integrity. The response was that of a bigoted, angry man trying to put down a young kid that disagreed with him. It wasn't professional and contained no integrity at all. The more I actually hear Paul speak, the less respect I have for him.

Stephanie wrote:Aaron, now that I've read through most of them, I'm hoping he really said most of them. No wonder why I admire him so much. He has the courage to be politically incorrect. I agree with far more of those statements than I disagree with.

I'm not the least bit suprised you feel that way.

Here's the thing though. If these comments are his, he feels that way or agrees with them then why is his campaign manager out saying Dr. Paul had no knowledge of most of the articles, they were written without his knowledge and why is he distancing himself from them. If he feels that way, if he's a man of principal as you claim he is, then why doesn't he just come out and say so. Hell, if he's a man of principal as you say, why can't he speak for himself on this matter today?
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Post by SheikBen Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:13 pm

Aaron,

Do you think the comments on the old forum represented the views of the WV Gazette? Do you think the WV Gazette should answer for all of them?

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Post by SheikBen Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:15 pm

Incidentally, if I may join Stephanie in her political incorrectness, I think it is incredible that African Americans have been so uniformly supportive of the Democrats, who support the murder of their children through abortion at a rate of 3 to 1 compared to the murder of white children through abortion. The left successfully demonized Bill Bennett for making that obvious point, but unlike Bennett, Paul insists on kicking a little arse when the people try to play the race game with him.

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Post by Aaron Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:02 pm

SheikBen wrote:Aaron,

Do you think the comments on the old forum represented the views of the WV Gazette? Do you think the WV Gazette should answer for all of them?


There‘s a huge difference between a public forum and a newsletter. It’s not even apples to oranges. It’s like comparing apples and mincemeat. Ron Paul was a fairly prominent public figure who allowed these writings to be published using his name.

From the article…

In other words, Paul's campaign wants to depict its candidate as a naïve, absentee overseer, with minimal knowledge of what his underlings were doing on his behalf. This portrayal might be more believable if extremist views had cropped up in the newsletters only sporadically--or if the newsletters had just been published for a short time. But it is difficult to imagine how Paul could allow material consistently saturated in racism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and conspiracy-mongering to be printed under his name for so long if he did not share these views. In that respect, whether or not Paul personally wrote the most offensive passages is almost beside the point. If he disagreed with what was being written under his name, you would think that at some point--over the course of decades--he would have done something about it.

I completely agree with that assessment. Furthermore, if Paul allowed this tripe to be published using his name and he just didn't know about it as his spokesman states, then he doesn't DESERVE to be the President of the United States of America.
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Post by Stephanie Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:48 pm

Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Was the kid fat?

Nope but it doesn't matter. You said Dr. Paul is professional, a man of integrity. The response was that of a bigoted, angry man trying to put down a young kid that disagreed with him. It wasn't professional and contained no integrity at all. The more I actually hear Paul speak, the less respect I have for him.

Stephanie wrote:Aaron, now that I've read through most of them, I'm hoping he really said most of them. No wonder why I admire him so much. He has the courage to be politically incorrect. I agree with far more of those statements than I disagree with.

I'm not the least bit suprised you feel that way.

Here's the thing though. If these comments are his, he feels that way or agrees with them then why is his campaign manager out saying Dr. Paul had no knowledge of most of the articles, they were written without his knowledge and why is he distancing himself from them. If he feels that way, if he's a man of principal as you claim he is, then why doesn't he just come out and say so. Hell, if he's a man of principal as you say, why can't he speak for himself on this matter today?

Aaron,

I don't know anything about the "fat kid" thing. I don't know if he said it or not. The only place I have read that or heard that is here in this forum.

Likewise with almost all the statements Keli posted. The only thing I have read before is the "fleet footed" thing that Dr. Paul denies having written. He said it was written by a staffer.

If Dr. Paul says those weren't his words, I believe him. If he is saying those aren't his feelings, I believe that too. That doesn't change the fact I agree with many of those statements.

I couldn't care less what you, or anyone else, thinks about that.
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Post by SamCogar Wed Jan 09, 2008 4:11 am

Never loan money to a friend.

Because, if your friend decides they don't want to pay you back,

they will find a bogus reason to get mad at you,

and if they are mad at you then they have a good reason not to pay you back.

Never loan money to a friend, just give it to them, and if they never pay you back you will know they were never your friend to begin with.

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Post by Cato Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:46 am

Aaron wrote:Did you reat the entire article in the link Stephanie?

As for a chink in Dr. Paul's armor, I would think that calling a kid fat who questioned Dr. Pauls stance on the drug war is at the very least a chink in his professional armour, wouldn't you!!!

YouTube source from 1988 Morton Downy Jr. Show

What chink in Ron Paul's armor? He's correct, "the government can't make you a better person." As he pointed out to the kid, "He's a little overweight, why don't the government come along and put you on a diet."

The point is, what about personal responsibility?

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Post by Cato Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:49 am

Keli wrote:Racist Pull Quotes:

“[O]ur country is being destroyed by a group of actual and potential terrorists—and they can be identified by the color of their skin.”

“I think we can safely assume that 95% of the black males in that city [Washington, D.C.] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

“We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, but it is hardly irrational.”

“The riots, burning, looting, and murders are only a continuation of 30 years of racial politics.”

“The criminals who terrorize our cities—in riots and on every non-riot day—are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are. As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to “fight the power,” and to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible. Anything is justified against ‘The Man.’ And ‘The Woman.’’”

“My friend waved to the tiny [African-American] child, who scowled, stuck out her tongue, and said (somewhat tautologically): “I hate you, white honkey.” And the parents were indulgent. Is any white child taught to hate in this way?” [As a matter of fact, Paul has appeared on a radio program called “The Political Cesspool,” which has featured the neo-Nazi twin pop stars Prussian Blue. –ed.]

“But this is normal, and in fact benign, compared to much of the anti-white ideology in the thoroughly racist black community. The black leadership indoctrinates its followers with phony history and phony theory to bolster its claims of victimology.”

“Korean-Americans, hated by blacks, never riot, and in fact are some of the most productive people in America (the reason for black hatred).”

“The cause of the riots is plain: barbarism. If the barbarians cannot loot sufficiently through legal channels (i.e., the riots being the welfare-state minus the middleman), they resort to illegal ones, to terrorism.”

“We must not kowtow to the street hoodlums and their sanctimonious leaders.”

“Regardless of what the media tell us, most white Americans are not going to believe that they are at fault for what blacks have done to cities across America. The professional blacks may have cowed the elites, but good sense survives at the grass roots.”

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country.”

“Blacks have ‘civil rights,’ preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black beauty contests, black TV shows, black TV anchors, black scholarships and colleges, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”

Source: The Ron Paul Report, “Los Angeles Racial Terrorism”

“Black males age 13 that have been raised on the streets and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary, and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political/Survival report, 1990-1994, excerpted by the Austin Chronicle

Conspiracist Pull Quotes:

“We now know that we are under assault from thugs and revolutionaries who hate Euro-American civilization and everything it stands for: private property, material success for those who earn it, and Christian morality.”

“In San Francisco and perhaps other cities, says expert Burt Blumert, the rioting was led by red-flag carrying members of the Revolutionary Communist Party and the Workers World Party, both Trotskyite-Maoist.”

“Many people tried to buy guns to protect themselves. But, whoops, California has a 14-day waiting period. And then, just to make sure honest Californians could not get ammunition for the firearms they already owned (poor ragefilled youth might be shot), Mayor Tom Bradley ordered all gun and ammo shops closed, a great help to criminals who had stocked up earlier, or who could simply break in and loot.”

“Several days after the violence ended, we learned that there would have been blacks on the King jury—if the NAACP hadn’t engaged in jury tampering by telling potential black jurors that it was their racial duty to convict the cops. The blacks admitted this to defense lawyers, and were rightly excluded from jury. This is a serious crime, but the NAACP will not be prosecuted.”

“Two years ago, in a series of predictions for the 1990s, I said that race riots would erupt in our large cities. I’m now predicting this will be the major problem of the 1990s.” [Helter Skelter, anybody?—ed.]

Source: The Ron Paul Report, “Los Angeles Racial Terrorism”

“Last month I reported on massive, illegal spying by the Anti-Defamation League of B’nai Brith against its perceived opponents, as revealed in California. The ADL keeps track of people and groups from left to right, and purchases illegally obtained information on Americans from its agents in police departments in order to prepare and maintain hundreds of thousands of dossiers.”

“The [Los Angeles] Times also brought to light the ADL’s work against ‘cults,’ especially interesting given the BATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms]-ADL connection.”

“It was such a seminar [i.e. a cult awareness training seminar], arranged by the ADL, that targeted the Branch Davidians in the first place.”

Source: The Ron Paul Survival Report, June 15, 1993

“The intensity with which Israel lobbies in the U.S. Congress is surpassed only by its media campaigns to drown all criticism of Israel. Prominent U.S. Editors and media owners don’t even pretend to objectivity on the issue. They all follow the advice of Norman Podhoretz, editor of the influential neo-conservative magazine Commentary….” [Our emphasis –ed.]

“This bias [Martin Peretz’s] informs every opinion expressed in The New Republic. For example, it opposed Contra aid until the Sandinista government showed sympathy for the PLO.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political Report, date uncertain

“If this walking bomb had gone off, it would have demolished the House Chamber and most of the congressmen in it. Yet this attempted terrorist attack was buried by the media. Why? Because the perpetrator was an undoubtedly mad Israeli, furious over alleged slights to his country… [T]he Israeli lobby deep-sixed the story, and no one outside of Congress ever head about it.”

Source: The Ron Paul Political Report, date uncertain

“The Earth Summit is the creepiest meeting of politicos since the first gathering of Bolsheviks. Officially known as the UN Conference for Environment and Development, it will be held in Brazil in June; bad guys from all over the globe will attend.”

“[Hillary Clinton] is one of the most dangerous women in public life. Not only is she a fanatical abortion advocate, she wants parents to register with the government as a condition for having children to be able to sue and `divorce’ themselves from their parents. Maybe her daughter ought to sue her parents for attempting to raise her as a leftist. That sure qualifies as abuse to me.”

“Disgruntled taxpayer Dean Hicks fired bombs through mortars at night at buildings of the Internal Revenue Service in California. Hicks did damage federal property, but no individuals were injured… Hicks was sentenced to 20 years in prison, given a $45,000 fine, and ordered to pay $335,000 in restitution to the IRS. If he had been a serial murderer, he would not have gotten this sort of sentence.”

“There is good news after the L.A. riots. Statewide, gun sales are up 45% over the same period last year. People have been purchasing a record number. If the cops are not going to take care of the problem, the people will.”



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And which of these statements do you disagree with, Keli?

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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:20 am

Stephanie wrote:Aaron,

I don't know anything about the "fat kid" thing. I don't know if he said it or not. The only place I have read that or heard that is here in this forum.

I posted the youtube link. I realize you're on dial up. Stop by the library sometime, go to youtube and look up Ron Paul/Morton Downy Jr. I don't disagree his stance, just his pathetic, unprofessional response.
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Post by SamCogar Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:45 am

Aaron wrote:
Stephanie wrote:Aaron,

I don't know anything about the "fat kid" thing. I don't know if he said it or not. The only place I have read that or heard that is here in this forum.

I posted the youtube link. I realize you're on dial up. Stop by the library sometime, go to youtube and look up Ron Paul/Morton Downy Jr. I don't disagree his stance, just his pathetic, unprofessional response.

Well "DUH", ..... we wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, ...... now would we?

And that is why we must make it MANDATORY .......... that all Teachers be "Thug Huggers".

So whenever a student "thug" beats up on another student, ..... breaks a few windows out, ..... wrecks a classroom, ........ curses out the Principal ....... and/or breaks a Teacher's nose, jaw or arm, ....... all Teachers in proximity are to go give said student a few "good hugs" ..... and tell him/her it wasn't really their fault.

YUP, that's the ticket, ....... we sure don't want any kids growing up with "hurt feelings" ....... and feeling really bad about themselves, now do we? Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Post by Stephanie Wed Jan 09, 2008 10:23 am

As for a chink in Dr. Paul's armor, I would think that calling a kid fat who questioned Dr. Pauls stance on the drug war is at the very least a chink in his professional armour, wouldn't you!!!
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Stephanie wrote:Aaron,

I don't know anything about the "fat kid" thing. I don't know if he said it or not. The only place I have read that or heard that is here in this forum.

I posted the youtube link. I realize you're on dial up. Stop by the library sometime, go to youtube and look up Ron Paul/Morton Downy Jr. I don't disagree his stance, just his pathetic, unprofessional response.

Aaron, you are the pathetic one. I let the video clip download while I did other things.

What he said, to a 20-something y/o adult was, "The government can't make you a better person. The government can't make you follow good habits. Why don't they put you on a diet? You're a little overweight and I think you need their help."

Why can't you just be honest, Aaron? Distorting Ron Paul's foreign policy views etc. wasn't enough for you. Now you want to lie about statements he made.

BTW......That "kid" was a little overweight.


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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:03 am

Stephanie, if you're trying to imply in any way that Dr. Pauls response to the kid was professional then I do believe Sherm is right about one thing right. Very Happy
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Post by Stephanie Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:26 am

Aaron wrote:Stephanie, if you're trying to imply in any way that Dr. Pauls response to the kid was professional then I do believe Sherm is right about one thing right. Very Happy

Did you take that as his professional opinion as a medical doctor? Do you think that "kid" did? Razz
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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:39 am

Stephanie wrote:
Aaron wrote:Stephanie, if you're trying to imply in any way that Dr. Pauls response to the kid was professional then I do believe Sherm is right about one thing right. Very Happy

Did you take that as his professional opinion as a medical doctor? Do you think that "kid" did? Razz

No, I took that as his personal opinion. Doesn't matter though which he was there as, a doctor or a congressman, his reaction certainly wasn't professional.
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Post by Stephanie Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:07 pm

Aaron wrote:
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Aaron wrote:Stephanie, if you're trying to imply in any way that Dr. Pauls response to the kid was professional then I do believe Sherm is right about one thing right. Very Happy

Did you take that as his professional opinion as a medical doctor? Do you think that "kid" did? Razz

No, I took that as his personal opinion. Doesn't matter though which he was there as, a doctor or a congressman, his reaction certainly wasn't professional.

That's your opinion. I wouldn't characterize it as a "reaction" at all. What you viewed was a 1 minute clip that was part of a much larger discussion surrounding the federal prohibition of recreational drugs. The rhetorical question Paul posed was done to make a point.

Can the government make you a better person? Should the government even try? Is that a legitimate function of the government? Should the government interfer with a medical problem? Reasonable people agree these are fair questions to ask. I agree with Dr. Paul the answer to all of these questions is a resounding "no".

One thing is for sure, Ron Paul was as correct about the criminalization of drugs in 1988 as he is in 2008. The war on drugs has done nothing to end drug smuggling, or clandestine drug labs, or even addiction. 20 years later drug lords are still getting rich, addicts are still suffering and dying, and drug labs are in our backyards right here in West Virginia.

What has happened is we've incarcerated so many Americans are prison system is bursting at the seams. Our government is arresting and imprisoning people terminally and chronically ill people for cultivating and possessing marijuana in order to ease their symptoms, even in states that permit its use for medicinal purposes.

You don't like his delivery? I don't care. It was a fair question. I'm overweight, Aaron. Should the government force me to go on a diet? I eat icecream once or twice a week. Should the government bring charges against me and fine me everytime I purchase icecream? Oh, I only buy whole milk. I use haf & half in my coffee. Should the government have the ability to force me to use low fat alternatives?

Should the federal government require all motorcyclists to wear helmets? They'd all be safer if they did. How about people who ride ATV's? Should the federal government require they all wear helmets?
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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:45 pm

The point of the video was that Paul is not always what you've made him out to be. The kid peaved him off and he lost his composure. If you want to discuss obesity or drugs, shouldn't that be done on another thread as this one is about Congressman Paul's shortcomings.

I'm still waiting on some sort of explaination as to why, if those thousands of newsletters weren't his why he allowed his name to be attached to the tripe that was printed in them. That's a discussion I'd be interested in having on this thread.
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Post by Stephanie Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:58 pm

He's 72 and that may be a shortcoming in a presidential candidate. Also, he looks a little thin to me. Other than that, he has no "short comings" that I see.

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OK I have it. It took me some doing, but I have it The article is very lengthy, so I'm only posting what is related to the newsletter you are referring to and race.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/2001-10-01/feature7.php

October 2001

by S. C. Gwynne

Then Morris' subalterns dug up something even more damaging to Paul: copies of a 1992 newsletter he had published that contained racially tinted remarks.

They caused a minor sensation. In one issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report, which he had published since 1985, he called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist." In another issue, he cited reports that 85 percent of all black men in Washington, D.C., are arrested at some point: "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." And under the headline "Terrorist Update," he wrote: "If you have ever been robbed by a black teenaged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, "I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady." Paul says that item ended up there because "we wanted to do something on affirmative action, and it ended up in the newsletter and became personalized. I never personalize anything."

His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: "They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they [campaign aides] said that's too confusing. 'It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it.'" It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time.
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Post by Aaron Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:15 pm

I've heard his explaination for the Barbara Jordan part Stephanie. That's understandable for that one incident. It may even be plausible for a month or two. Hell, even a year or more. But for that type of racist tripe to be spouted for years under his name, well, his 'not knowing' just isn't acceptable. If he's that naive then he doesn't deserve to be president of the United States of America. Also, if he agrees with the writings about 13% of the population then once again, he has no business being President of the United States of America. Grand Wizard or Supreme Poobah or whatever it's called maybe, but not President.
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Post by Stephanie Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:32 pm

Aaron wrote:I've heard his explaination for the Barbara Jordan part Stephanie. That's understandable for that one incident. It may even be plausible for a month or two. Hell, even a year or more. But for that type of racist tripe to be spouted for years under his name, well, his 'not knowing' just isn't acceptable. If he's that naive then he doesn't deserve to be president of the United States of America. Also, if he agrees with the writings about 13% of the population then once again, he has no business being President of the United States of America. Grand Wizard or Supreme Poobah or whatever it's called maybe, but not President.

So it's understandable for the Barbara Jordan incident, but not for the "racist tripe"? I've got to hand it to you, Aaron. You are consistantly inconsistant.

It is very telling that the article acknowledges
What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.
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He felt he had a moral responsibility for them. I agree, he did. Those words were written by someone he employed (and fired, I might add). He didn't deny them at the time because he was in the middle of a campaign, it would have been suspect.

Until someone can provide me a video clip of Dr. Paul making racist statements, I will continue to believe he is not a racist. If the best you can come up with is Ron Paul telling some slightly overweight 20-something year old he's a little overweight, you've got nothing.
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