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Pastors May Defy IRS Gag Rule
Pastors May Defy IRS Gag Rule
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 5/9/08 | SUZANNE SATALINE
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The Wall Street Journal ^ | 5/9/08 | SUZANNE SATALINE
A conservative legal-advocacy group is enlisting ministers to use their pulpits to preach about election candidates this September, defying a tax law that bars churches from engaging in politics.
Alliance Defense Fund, a Scottsdale, Ariz., nonprofit, is hoping at least one sermon will prompt the Internal Revenue Service to investigate, sparking a court battle that could get the tax provision declared unconstitutional. Alliance lawyers represent churches in disputes with the IRS over alleged partisan activity.
The action marks the latest attempt by a conservative organization to help clergy harness their congregations to sway elections. The protest is scheduled for Sunday, Sept. 28, a little more than a month before the general election, in a year when religious concerns and preachers have been a regular part of the political debate.
It also comes as the IRS has increased its investigations of churches accused of engaging in politics. Sen. Barack Obama's denomination, the United Church of Christ, has said it was under investigation after it allowed the Democratic presidential candidate to address 10,000 church members last year. Last summer, the tax agency said it was reviewing complaints against 44 churches for activities in the 2006 election cycle. Churches found to be in violation can be fined or lose their tax exemptions.
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Ich bin Ala-awkbarph- Number of posts : 2310
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I personally would walk out of a church in which the pastor felt the need to enter the political areana and campaign from the pulpit.
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Where does it say that a tax-exempt status trumps free speech?
Isn't it interesting that only "religious" 501(c)3 organizations are silenced. All others are able to say whatever they want.
Isn't it interesting that only "religious" 501(c)3 organizations are silenced. All others are able to say whatever they want.
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph- Number of posts : 2310
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Well Terri remember the republican supreme court thought nothing about overturning the election of 2000, so they will probably do whatever the republican hoi poloi say on this don't you think?
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Armon Ayers wrote:Where does it say that a tax-exempt status trumps free speech?
Isn't it interesting that only "religious" 501(c)3 organizations are silenced. All others are able to say whatever they want.
Seems to me that if you want in the politics game then you need to get out of the God game. After all, isn't this counrty founded on the principal that the two don't mix!!!
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In the words of St. Augustine:
"What does it matter under which government a dying man lives?"
Matters of faith are infinitely more important than matters of politics. I am also convinced that a spiritually healthy person will not have to be told how to vote--such a person's judgement can be trusted.
I say let the Pastors shepherd their flocks in the ways of Biblical faith and practice, and the voting will take care of itself.
"What does it matter under which government a dying man lives?"
Matters of faith are infinitely more important than matters of politics. I am also convinced that a spiritually healthy person will not have to be told how to vote--such a person's judgement can be trusted.
I say let the Pastors shepherd their flocks in the ways of Biblical faith and practice, and the voting will take care of itself.
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Armon Ayers wrote:Where does it say that a tax-exempt status trumps free speech?
Isn't it interesting that only "religious" 501(c)3 organizations are silenced. All others are able to say whatever they want.
As past president of one non-religious 501(c)3 organization, and current treasurer of another, I challenge you to show us you that the IRS allows non-religious 501(c)3 organizations to endorse political candidates using tax-exempt resources.
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Is the NAACP a 501 c 3?
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SheikBen wrote:Is the NAACP a 501 c 3?
Update: Aug. 31, 2006: IRS Drops Case Against NAACP. See [url=http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/2700/1/3?TopicID=2#IRS Drops Case Against NAACP]below[/url] for more details and our press statement
On Oct. 28, 2004 the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) announced that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is investigating their tax-exempt status because Chairman Julian Bond criticized the Bush administration's policies in his speech to the group's July convention. The NAACP is a 501(c)(3) organization, and as such is barred from intervening in elections, but is allowed to comment on policies and government actions. The NAACP questioned the timing of the IRS action, calling it a politically motivated attempt to silence the organization and discourage blacks from voting. The IRS denied political motivation and referred the matter to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA). The report from TIGTA reviews the structure and implementation of IRS enforcement in the 2004 election, finding no political motivation, but not identifying whether the NAACP was in the sample of cases it reviewed.
http://www.ombwatch.org/article/articleview/2700/1/3?TopicID=2
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Permissible Election Activities Checklist
501(c)(3) public charity organizations are strictly forbidden from engaging in any political activity
in support of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. The IRS will consider all of the
facts and circumstances surrounding an activity to determine whether the activity violates this
prohibition. However, 501(c)(3) public charity organizations can engage in nonpartisan voter
education activity and in a limited amount of lobbying.
501(c)(3)s MAY:
engage in limited lobbying, including work on ballot measures
conduct nonpartisan public education and training sessions about participation in the
political process
educate all of the candidates on public interest issues
publish legislative scorecards (with certain restrictions)
prepare candidate questionnaires and create voter guides (with certain restrictions)
canvass the public on issues
sponsor candidate debates (with certain restrictions)
rent at fair market value mailing lists and facilities to other organizations, legislators, and
candidates (with certain restrictions)
conduct nonpartisan get-out-the-vote and voter registration drives
establish a controlled 501(c)(4) organization
work with all political parties to get its positions included on the partys platform (with
certain restrictions)
501(c)(3)s MAY NOT:
endorse candidates for public office
make any campaign contributions
make expenditures on behalf of candidates
restrict rental of their mailing lists and facilities to certain candidates
ask candidates to sign pledges on any issue (tacit endorsement)
increase the volume or amount of incumbent criticism as election time approaches
publish or communicate anything that explicitly or implicitly favors or opposes a candidate
Note: This handout provides general guidelines only, and is intended to serve as an overview. Because the
application of law is fact-sensitive and context is critical, it should not be relied upon as legal advice. Organizations
should consult with their attorney to receive guidance on special rules governing their conduct.
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph- Number of posts : 2310
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Seems to me that if you want in the politics game then you need to get out of the God game. After all, isn't this counrty founded on the principal that the two don't mix!!!
If I live 1000 years, I still will never get you figured out.
Needless to say, I agree with you.
If I live 1000 years, I still will never get you figured out.
Needless to say, I agree with you.
TerryRC- Number of posts : 2762
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TerryRC wrote:Seems to me that if you want in the politics game then you need to get out of the God game. After all, isn't this counrty founded on the principal that the two don't mix!!!
If I live 1000 years, I still will never get you figured out.
Needless to say, I agree with you.
If you live 1000 years I need a copy of your diet.
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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If either of you live 1000 years stay away from my granddaughters!
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SheikBen wrote:If either of you live 1000 years stay away from my granddaughters!
I'll just be old, not a FLDS convert!!!
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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There was a great Onion article about the world's oldest woman attributing her age to "dumb luck" and asking why she "hasn't died already."
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Do any of you really want to live to be 1000? Speaking for myself, no thanks.
I think if pastors want to preach politics from the pulpit, that's fine. They just have to relinquish their tax exempt status. Can't have it both ways.
I think if pastors want to preach politics from the pulpit, that's fine. They just have to relinquish their tax exempt status. Can't have it both ways.
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I don't want to censor any speech, particularly in church. At the same time, politics has to be subordinate to Christian faith and practice. I am both a born again Christian and a Republican, but that order is important.
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A woman at 1000. Would her boobs be on her back???
And I agree. Pastors preaching and posturing for their Sunday morning patrons after theyve partaken in Saturday night pleasures is one thing. If you allow them be become political advisors without paying the piper theyre predetermined payment, it is another all together.
And I agree. Pastors preaching and posturing for their Sunday morning patrons after theyve partaken in Saturday night pleasures is one thing. If you allow them be become political advisors without paying the piper theyre predetermined payment, it is another all together.
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