PotBSurri
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Stephanie
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BAT should learn to look at itself as a drug company rather than as a tobacco company." (April 1980 memo by a team of BAT scientists
"Do we really want to tout cigarette smoke as a drug" It is, or course." (February 1969 memo from a Philip Morris researcher)
"Classification of tobacco as a drug should be avoided at all costs." (1974 British American Tobacco memo).
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The amount spent on promotions and marketing of cigarettes vastly exceeded what was spent on any of these (Tobacco Institute youth) programs." (Michael Ciresi, Attorney for the State of Minnesota, summarizing in court information showing that the three largest cigarette manufacturers spent $40.6 million on youth prevention programs from 1938 to 1994 or less than 2 tenths of 1% of the @26.9 billion spent on cigarette advertising, marketing and promotion during the same period.)
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We are searching explicitly for a socially acceptable addictive product...The essential constituent is most likely to be nicotine or a direct substitute for it." (August 1979 memo by BAT on the search for a potential replacement for cigarettes)
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ziggy wrote:I say that the political reality is still such that the WV legislature is not likely to ban the sale of tobacco in the state.
Those addicts still want their fixes!
HORSEPUCKY, ..... they are not going to ban the sale of them because they know they are not as dangerous as the media hype says they are ...... and they collect a ton of taxes from the sale of them.
DUH, unless they changed it, those "no smoking" lawss excluded Legislative Offices.
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Yep, those legislators still want their fixes, too.
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We are searching explicitly for a socially acceptable addictive product...The essential constituent is most likely to be nicotine or a direct substitute for it." (August 1979 memo by BAT on the search for a potential replacement for cigarettes)
Well, they found one, ...... the Nicotine Patch, ........ and using it is worse than smoking the cigarettes.
The "WARNINGS" on them state, ....... "Do not leave these 'patches', used or otherwise, lying around where children or pets can get them because they could cause their ddeath."
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Stephanie wrote:I wonder how many tobacco companies are on the board of chambers of commerce in WV.
Are there any tobacco companies in wv?
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A considerable percentage of the $$$ for the Chamber PAC campaign against McGraw came from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. I will try to find and post the campaign finance reports that show just how much.
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While you're at it, show how much of McGraw's money came from lawyers and the unions respectively.
I think what you’ll find is that one special interest offsets another.
I think what you’ll find is that one special interest offsets another.
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How about you do your own research, and I'll do mine?
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I don't need to. I know what it will show. Labor and Lawyers have been bankrolling Mcgraw for years. If anything, the C of C leveled the playing field, that's all.
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Also the local chambers are not run by the U.S. or State Chamber and do not belong to the State chamber.
(I saw where the State Chamber also kicked some in zig).
(I saw where the State Chamber also kicked some in zig).
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I brought up the lack of tobacco companies in WV because they were one of quick draw McGraw's targets. Some of you insist the business community doesn't want him so they can fleece consumers.
I insist the big money lawyers want him in so he can keep the money flowing their way.
I insist the big money lawyers want him in so he can keep the money flowing their way.
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Well Steph it was before you came here but look up a guy named Ben Suarez.
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ziggy wrote:How about you do your own research, and I'll do mine?
So where's your research Ziggy?
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Like you,
Aaron wrote:I don't need to. I know what it will show.
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Business Groups Launch Last-Minute Ad Blitz Against McGraw
Posted Thursday, October 30, 2008 ; 04:46 PM
Updated Thursday, October 30, 2008 ; 04:51 PM
West Virginia Chamber of Commerce is taking the lead in the campaign.
Story by Walt Williams
CHARLESTON -- A quartet of business-related organizations have launched a last-minute, $694,000 television advertisement campaign against state Attorney General Darrell McGraw in hopes of knocking the incumbent out of office on Election Day.
The West Virginia Chamber of Commerce is taking the lead in the blitz, which also is being funded by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, American Tort Reform Association and West Virginia Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse.
According to finance reports filed with the state Secretary of State’s Office, the funding for the advertisements breaks down four ways:
• $47,458 from West Virginia Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse;
• $330,682 from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce;
• $63,371 from the American Tort Reform Association;
• $253,345 from the West Virginia Chamber of Commerce.
http://www.statejournal.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=46233
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06-4666-CV
United States Court of Appeals
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
_______________________
Karen McLaughlin, Jane Amodeo, David Tuttleman, Susan Bailey, Barbara Bishop, Trevor Campbell, Fergal Furlong, David Rogers, Barbara Schwab,
Patricia Scocozza, Jim Sherman, Plaintiffs-Appellees,
-v.-
American Tobacco Company, Altria Group, Inc., Philip Morris USA Inc., Lorillard
Tobacco Co., British American Tobacco Limited, Liggett Group, Inc., B.A.T. Industries P.L.C., R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., Defendants-Appellants.
BRIEF FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA AS AMICUS CURIAE SUPPORTING DEFENDANTS-APPELLANTS
AND SUPPORTING REVERSAL OF CLASS CERTIFICATION PURSUANT TO
FEDERAL RULE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE 23(f)
Pursuant to November 16, 2006, Order Granting Permission to Appeal
The Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America (“the
Chamber”) is the world’s largest business federation, with an underlying
membership of more than three million companies and professional
organizations nationwide. It regularly advocates the interests of its members in matters before Congress, the Executive Branch, and the courts. (bold emphasis added)
http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/edzo2k7ppgrl5flcwez3jmklqnrxsh6bx6a6hm4naugnpwmykryi6gd2mo2ilkwhfgbymu5v6mlmj2gfwwy6iy4lcyg/schwabvphilipmorris.pdf
United States Court of Appeals
FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT
_______________________
Karen McLaughlin, Jane Amodeo, David Tuttleman, Susan Bailey, Barbara Bishop, Trevor Campbell, Fergal Furlong, David Rogers, Barbara Schwab,
Patricia Scocozza, Jim Sherman, Plaintiffs-Appellees,
-v.-
American Tobacco Company, Altria Group, Inc., Philip Morris USA Inc., Lorillard
Tobacco Co., British American Tobacco Limited, Liggett Group, Inc., B.A.T. Industries P.L.C., R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., Defendants-Appellants.
BRIEF FOR THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA AS AMICUS CURIAE SUPPORTING DEFENDANTS-APPELLANTS
AND SUPPORTING REVERSAL OF CLASS CERTIFICATION PURSUANT TO
FEDERAL RULE OF CIVIL PROCEDURE 23(f)
Pursuant to November 16, 2006, Order Granting Permission to Appeal
The Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America (“the
Chamber”) is the world’s largest business federation, with an underlying
membership of more than three million companies and professional
organizations nationwide. It regularly advocates the interests of its members in matters before Congress, the Executive Branch, and the courts. (bold emphasis added)
http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/edzo2k7ppgrl5flcwez3jmklqnrxsh6bx6a6hm4naugnpwmykryi6gd2mo2ilkwhfgbymu5v6mlmj2gfwwy6iy4lcyg/schwabvphilipmorris.pdf
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And yet you posted it anyhow. I'll find more later but this shows that lawyers made up over two thirds of McGraws contributions.
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How can the Stealth Tobacco Industry fight Tobacco Legislation? That is where the U. S. Chamber of Commerce comes in. Walmart does not have to dirty their hands and utter one word against this legislation. They simply let the U. S. Chamber do the fighting for them.
The U. S. Chamber of Commerce puts forward a totally absurd argument forward and provides cover for the Stealth Tobacco Industry. This way Walgreen's continues to make money, Bill Cosby continues to make money, the U. S. Chamber of Commerce continues to make money, and everybody is happy!
http://www.aspnet.net/USChamber/TobaccoIndustry.html
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ziggy wrote:The Chamber of Commerce of the United States of America (“the
Chamber”) is the world’s largest business federation, with an underlying
membership of more than three million companies and professional
organizations nationwide. It regularly advocates the interests of its members in matters before Congress, the Executive Branch, and the courts.
You have to give them credit for bieng upfront and honest about their objective.
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Stephanie wrote:I wonder how many tobacco companies are on the board of chambers of commerce in WV.
The largest funder of the WV Chamber's anti-McGraw political campaign, Stephanie, is the U.S. Chamber of Commerce- of which the tobacco companies have long been a part- and which submitted hundreds of pages of briefs in support of the tobacco industry in the multi-state class action lawsuit against the tobacco industry.
And according to finance reports filed with the WV Secretary of State’s Office, the funding for the anti-McGraw advertisements breaks down four ways:
• $47,458 from West Virginia Citizens Against Lawsuit Abuse;
• $330,682 from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce;
• $63,371 from the American Tort Reform Association;
• $253,345 from the West Virginia Chamber of Commerce.
So all the piddly-assed limited contributions that "lawyers" or anyone else put into McGraw's campaign amount to only about 21 percent (one fitth) of what these four organizations alone put into anti-McGraw opposition.
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GOP Attorneys Generals Solicit Large Contributions From Corporations That Are Embroiled In Lawsuits
by George Lardner Jr. and Susan Schmidt
Republican state attorneys general are soliciting large contributions from corporations that are embroiled in--or are seeking to avert--lawsuits by states.
The Republican Attorneys General Association expects to collect $550,000--in chunks of $5,000 and up--from various companies gathered in Austin for a two-day session beginning today. The meeting features a "political briefing" Friday morning by Karl Rove, Texas Gov. George W. Bush's chief political strategist.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/033000-02.htm
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And the Chamber of Commerce doesn't want us to know who its political funders are. Do we need to even wonder why?
http://www.thetortellini.com/us_chamber_of_commerce/
U.S. Chamber Won't Disclose Donors Without a Fight
Cross-Posted from MoJo Blog:
For years, big (and often unpopular) corporations like drug and tobacco companies, have used innocuous-sounding trade associations to lobby on their behalf, without having to disclose who picks up the tab. But a new law Congress passed earlier this year is designed to put an end to the practice. Under the threat of criminal penalties, the lobbying reform act requires trade groups to disclose members who contribute more than $5,000 in a quarter and who are involved in planning or directing lobbying activities. Not surprisingly, big businesses are not happy about this, particularly the criminal penalty part.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers fired the first shot across the bow yesterday, sending a letter to the Secretary of the Senate and the clerk of the House asking for "guidance" on how to interpret the new reporting requirements. They're essentially asking to exempt a lot of people who might otherwise be outed by the new law on the grounds that the law is an unconstitutional intrusion into their inner workings.
The chamber isn't fond of disclosure. For instance, the Institute for Legal Reform, the chamber's $40 million-a-year tort reform lobbying arm, failed to disclose to the IRS four years and millions of dollars worth of taxable spending on political races. A few years ago, it secretly bought its own newspaper in Madison County, Illinois, where it was spending millions to defeat liberal state court judges. The paper generated a regular stream of chamber propaganda that got treated like bona fide news until its owners got outed by the Washington Post. Despite the chamber's complaints about the evils of the American legal system, yesterday's letter is a pretty good indication that it will spend some time there before it ever gives up exactly how much radioactive industries contribute to its lobbying efforts.
http://www.thetortellini.com/us_chamber_of_commerce/
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