WV Forum for News, Politics, and Sports
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

+4
ohio county
sodbuster
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph
Stephanie
8 posters

Page 1 of 2 1, 2  Next

Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Stephanie Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:29 pm

Thousands of religious leaders got a call from on high Wednesday as President Obama reached out to Jewish and Christian clergy, asking some to sermonize in favor of health care reform.

If President Obama has his way, you'll soon be hearing about his health care package when you go to your church or synagogue to pray.

Thousands of religious leaders got a call from on high Wednesday when Obama reached out to Jewish and Christian clergy, urging them to push health care reform from the pulpit.

Obama spoke to about 140,000 people of faith in a conference call and webcast Wednesday evening. He and a White House official discussed the moral dimension of health care, telling the mostly Christian audience that "this debate over health care goes to the heart of who we are as a people."

But earlier that day, Obama went much further, asking about 1,000 rabbis to preach his political agenda in their sermons on Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year -- one of the holiest days of the year.

The conversation was supposed to be off the record but was captured on the Twitter feeds and blogs of some rabbis who took part in the call, which was organized by the Union of Reform Judaism and included rabbis from other denominations.

"I am going to need your help in accomplishing necessary reform," Obama said, according to Rabbi Jack Moline of Virginia, whose Twitter feed has since been scrubbed of the information.

Obama told the rabbis that "we are God's partners in matters of life and death" and asked them to "tell the stories of health care dilemmas to illustrate what is a stake" in their sermons, Moline wrote.

Critics say Obama's message seemed to "cross a line" and imply a kind of "scriptural or holy support for the program."

"I can't imagine why it would be appropriate for a president even to suggest a partnership with God somehow was connected to his ideas for health care," said the Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

"Whenever politicians give a message that implies that God is on their side on an issue ... this always troubles me."

A White House official told FOX News that Obama spoke at the invitation of the rabbis, who had many questions about health care. Current events often come up in sermons, the official said, and during the highly attended holidays many rabbis and congregants are likely to be interested in discussing the topic.

"We are not asking Rabbis to give a political lecture -- we don't expect everybody will want to hear sermons on health care," the official said.

Mark Pelavin, who organized the call from the Reform movement's Washington office, said the president talked about why the health care system needed to be fixed, but Pelavin declined to discuss Obama's specific remarks.

Pelavin, the associate director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, said his office organizes one or two such calls a year with experts and politicians to discuss issues of great interest to Jewish leaders, and health care was a natural topic.

Rabbis may choose to discuss health care in their sermons but will "stay away from partisan politics, but certainly they'll talk about issues that are facing the country," he told FOXNews.com.

But other rabbis present noted their discomfort with the president's message, and said they believed he was "using religious organizations to promote policy."

"I find the blurring of church and state to be disconcerting, not only on political grounds ... but also for competency," wrote Rabbi Josh Yuter of Manhattan, who was also on the call.

"Rabbis have enough difficulty understanding the nuances and intricacies of their own religion to be promoting specific policies in areas for which they have no expertise."

Lynn, of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, said that although Obama is a religious man, he generally avoids emphasizing the religious basis for his decisions, adding he was disappointed that the president had "clouded this debate" with an underlying religious emphasis.

"This seems to, unfortunately, cross a line," he said.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Admin

Number of posts : 6556
Age : 59
Location : West Virginia
Registration date : 2007-12-28

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:48 pm

I would but...separation of church and state prevents me.
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph

Number of posts : 2310
Age : 73
Location : The Caliphate of Zarr Chasmistan, WV
Registration date : 2008-01-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by sodbuster Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:05 pm

Well I think it's about doggone time.

The Dems have been just stting back while the rightwingers try to hiack Jesus on issues like universal health care.

Jesus spent the biggest part of his adult ministry evengelizing on on issues like providing healthcare for everyone, especially the poorpoeple.

sodbuster

Number of posts : 1890
Location : wv
Registration date : 2008-09-05

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Stephanie Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:34 pm

I fail to see what Jesus has to do with the debate over health care reform.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Admin

Number of posts : 6556
Age : 59
Location : West Virginia
Registration date : 2007-12-28

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:41 pm

I can respect my friend's charges that his opponents have hijacked Jesus when they malign his and his allies' motives and faith. I'd only ask that he examine his own motives because I think he will agree that hijacking Jesus is exactly what he hopes to accomplish.
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:43 pm

I fail to see what Jesus has to do with the debate over health care reform.

You are entirely correct. My friend, shermangeneral, believes that Jesus' instruction to go and give comfort to the poor and helpless among us gives him the keys to the Treasury. He is wrong. Jesus instructs us as individuals to comfort the sick and the poor. Jesus' relationship with the government was far more subtle and complex.
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Stephanie Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:53 pm

You know what really burns my butt? The insistance that those of us opposed to legislation currently being batted around are opposed to reform. I want reform.

Of course, the so-called leaders of the Republican Party and almost all elected Republicans serving in the House and Senate today have nothing to offer, and there lies the problem. If they had something to counter with (they do they just choose to ignore it) this would be a no-brainer. It's easy for the liberals to argue "we have to do something" and "our something is better than your nothing". It's not valid, frequently doing nothing is far less detrimental than doing "something" if that "something" is disasterous, as so much of what's being proposed clearly is.

So we need to work to get those in office on board. They don't have to agree with everything, but they do need to get their heads out of their posteriors and agree on some meaningful and beneficial reform. They should look to the medical professionals among them for guidance.

They need to listen to the doctor from Texas who warned them several years ago about the financial calamity Medicare RX would be and has been preaching about changing the law to make medical care more affordable and accessible to the American people and stop looking to the same jackasses who have been offering nothing for years and years.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Admin

Number of posts : 6556
Age : 59
Location : West Virginia
Registration date : 2007-12-28

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Stephanie Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:20 pm

Sherm,

Please don't be too upset by what I'm about to ask you. I don't mean to offend you yet it seems to be an area of expertise for me.

Still, I HAVE to ask.......are you perhaps getting Jesus a bit confused with a literary character? Robbing the rich to give to the poor (redistrubtion of wealth) was Robin Hood's gig.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Admin

Number of posts : 6556
Age : 59
Location : West Virginia
Registration date : 2007-12-28

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by SheikBen Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:27 pm

sodbuster wrote:Well I think it's about doggone time.

The Dems have been just stting back while the rightwingers try to hiack Jesus on issues like universal health care.

Jesus spent the biggest part of his adult ministry evengelizing on on issues like providing healthcare for everyone, especially the poorpoeple.

How exactly has the right invoked jesus on the question of healhcare?

SheikBen
Moderator

Number of posts : 3445
Age : 48
Location : The Soviet Socialist Republic of Illinois
Registration date : 2008-01-02

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by SheikBen Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:31 pm

Jesus said quite little about what the government should be doing. He advised giving unto caesar what is caesar's, and did not challenge, to my knowledge, any government official to change his position, except perhaps his call to Matthew to follow Him.

Jesus tells us to feed the poor and to visit the lonely in prison. Somehow that meaning we should make other people do it in the form of taxing and spending strikes me as somewhat of a contortion of the message. We, dear Sherm, are the ones who are called to bless the vulnerable. Forcing our neighbors to do so is not what we are called to do.

SheikBen
Moderator

Number of posts : 3445
Age : 48
Location : The Soviet Socialist Republic of Illinois
Registration date : 2008-01-02

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:25 pm

Obama to select clergy members, "Obama: 'We are God's Partners in Matters of Life and Death'" Hmmm...sounds like "Gott mit uns."
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph
Ich bin Ala-awkbarph

Number of posts : 2310
Age : 73
Location : The Caliphate of Zarr Chasmistan, WV
Registration date : 2008-01-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:33 am

Talk about hijacking Jesus. Here's Obama talking to liberal clergy:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/19/false_witness/

He adopts the vernacular of any group to which he speaks. This is nearly as good as HIllary's clumsy "...ain't hardly tahred no mo'..."

Of course he would characterize any criticism of his policies as sinful behavior. He believes himself the Messiah.
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:42 am

Obama to select clergy members, "Obama: 'We are God's Partners in Matters of Life and Death'" Hmmm...sounds like "Gott mit uns."

If God and Obama are now full partners, does this mean determining when life begins is now within Obama's pay grade?
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:10 am

Maybe he is omnipotent. He certainly appears to be omnipresent.

http://www.georgelopez.com/

How can he save health care and late night TV?

Don't bother clicking on here now. The Obama promo has been removed.


Last edited by ohio county on Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:16 pm; edited 1 time in total
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by SheikBen Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:44 am

Obama is a master manipulator, OC, no doubt.

I am surprised and gratified that as many people have called Obama out on this health care idea as they have. One of my students last night suggested that the Dems have not yet pushed this through on their own because of what the next election would look like.

Somehow "clergymen" are being employed in the fight to pay to abort children, although any mention of that is obviously absent from the discussion with them. These clergymen are Obama's useful idiots. Where is Barry Lynn these days?

SheikBen
Moderator

Number of posts : 3445
Age : 48
Location : The Soviet Socialist Republic of Illinois
Registration date : 2008-01-02

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Cato Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:41 am

The scary part of the whole healthcare debate isn't coming from the leftist democrats. It is coming from many RINOs (Republican in Name Only). I have about wore out my welcome with Shelley Moore Capito regarding healthcare. I have got one letter back from her and she insists we need reform, just not the full democrat plan. It is instereting in my opinion, that she never mentions what reform is needed. Is she talling about tort reform, or less government influance in healthcare. You guess is good as mine.

I fear that far too many RINOs are out there and in the end they will vote for enough of Obama's healthcare plan to wreack what is left of the healthcare in the US.

Cato

Cato

Number of posts : 2010
Location : Behind my desk
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Stephanie Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:10 am

Cato,

I think most reasonable Americans will agree we need reform. Tort reform is one area a staffer at Capito's Charleston office specifically mentioned the Congresswoman believes needs addressed.

The trouble with the GOP continues to be so few of them have introduced legislation and what reforms they have introduced the others seem to largely ignore.
Stephanie
Stephanie
Admin

Number of posts : 6556
Age : 59
Location : West Virginia
Registration date : 2007-12-28

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Aaron Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:28 am

I think too many Republicans are more interested in seeing a Barrack Obama failure then they are in reform. After all, the insurance lobby is still doling out millions to keep the status quo regardless of what they say publicly.

Some other types of reform, besides tort, which is a no brainer-make the loser pay the winner's lawyer and cut down on contingency fees-are Insurance sales across state lines, Medicare/Medicaid bargaining with big pharmaceutical compaines for the cost of medication(s), give individuals and small groups the same tax benefits as big corporations and eliminate government mandates in insurance plans

Any of these would be a good start and none of it involves increased taxes or a "public option." If the liberals were serious about reforming health care, all these issues would be part of it. None of them are.
Aaron
Aaron

Number of posts : 9841
Age : 58
Location : Putnam County for now
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Cato Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:47 am

Stephanie wrote:Cato,

I think most reasonable Americans will agree we need reform. Tort reform is one area a staffer at Capito's Charleston office specifically mentioned the Congresswoman believes needs addressed.

The trouble with the GOP continues to be so few of them have introduced legislation and what reforms they have introduced the others seem to largely ignore.

It is one thing for a staffer to say something and quite another for the politican to say it, in my opinion. In Capito's letter to me she never specifically mentioned any reform, other than to make the blanket statement reform was needed. Maybe she's changed her mind, I really don't know.

Cato

Number of posts : 2010
Location : Behind my desk
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Cato Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:58 am

Aaron wrote:I think too many Republicans are more interested in seeing a Barrack Obama failure then they are in reform. After all, the insurance lobby is still doling out millions to keep the status quo regardless of what they say publicly.

Some other types of reform, besides tort, which is a no brainer-make the loser pay the winner's lawyer and cut down on contingency fees-are Insurance sales across state lines, Medicare/Medicaid bargaining with big pharmaceutical compaines for the cost of medication(s), give individuals and small groups the same tax benefits as big corporations and eliminate government mandates in insurance plans

Any of these would be a good start and none of it involves increased taxes or a "public option." If the liberals were serious about reforming health care, all these issues would be part of it. None of them are.

Those would be great start Aaron. Two additional reforms I would like to see is when a judgment is made against a doctor, which is later proven to have been incorrect or the science faulty, the doctor or healthcare facility has every right to come back against the attorney and party bringing the suit. John Edwards comes to mind with this one. He made his money by saying that children born with muscular distropy were injured at child birth because they were not delivered promptly. The result of his suit, which made him millions by the way, was many doctors opting for C-section. It isn't that the C-Section was safer for the child, it came down to suit pretection. In the end John Edward's misleading suit cost millions which was payed by consumers in higher costs.

It was later determined that Muscular Distorpy is a genetic defect and when the child was delievered had nothing to do with causing the defect.

Another reform I would like to see is doctors hearing cases against doctors. We are all gaurenttee a jury of our peers to hear a case. I am no peer of a doctor. I am not trained in the medical profession and thus am not qualified to determine whether or not what they did was reasonable or not.

Cato

Number of posts : 2010
Location : Behind my desk
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Wed Aug 26, 2009 6:37 am

The trouble with the GOP continues to be so few of them have introduced legislation and what reforms they have introduced the others seem to largely ignore.

I think too many Republicans are more interested in seeing a Barrack Obama failure.

The republicans will have to walk a fine line as democrats hope to paint them as the "party of no". Perception has been become everything. There is no substance. There are no statesmen.

In Capito's letter to me she never specifically mentioned any reform, other than to make the blanket statement reform was needed.

She is a perfect example: always driven by events and never driving them.

The public option has always been a false choice in that it is presented as the only choice. The three of you have come up with a pretty good list of real reforms that build on the strength of our current healthcare system.
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Cato Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:20 am

ohio county wrote:
I think too many Republicans are more interested in seeing a Barrack Obama failure.

The republicans will have to walk a fine line as democrats hope to paint them as the "party of no". Perception has been become everything. There is no substance. There are no statesmen.

I'm no the sharpest tool in the shed, and maybe I'm a dreamer, but I really believe that if someone came along and stood up for our founding principles, individualism, personal responsibility, and free markets, they could give the present gaggle of parasites a run for their money.

ohio county wrote: The public option has always been a false choice in that it is presented as the only choice. The three of you have come up with a pretty good list of real reforms that build on the strength of our current healthcare system.

I have one more. Health insurance should work exactly the same as any other insurance. My auto insurance doesn't pay for routine maintenance and neither should health insurance pay for routine visits. The purpose of insurance is to buffer one from financial calamity in case of a catstrophic event. People presently look a health insurance as that it will cover every visit and that is absolutely stupid.

Cato

Number of posts : 2010
Location : Behind my desk
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by SamCogar Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:52 am

The purpose of insurance is to buffer one from financial calamity in case of a catstrophic event. People presently look a health insurance as that it will cover every visit and that is absolutely stupid.

Never thought about it that way and I partially agree with you.

Necessary Dr visits, medication, tests, procedures, etc. being covered.

Routine Dr visits, medication, tests, procedures, etc. not being covered.

I know my GP wants to do blood work, etc., etc. at every office visit and I know it is just to cover "overhead" for those that Medicare/Medicaid/State Health Cards don't pay for the actual cost of being treated.

SamCogar

Number of posts : 6238
Location : Burnsville, WV
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Cato Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:19 am

SamCogar wrote:
Never thought about it that way and I partially agree with you.

Necessary Dr visits, medication, tests, procedures, etc. being covered.

Routine Dr visits, medication, tests, procedures, etc. not being covered.

It depends on how you define necessary. A yearly check up is necessary to maintain good health, but it should not be covered by insurance. Neither should a vist for a cold or the flu ort a minor injury. What should be covered are things arising out of the blue, like a biospy for a lump, and then whatever treatment is required thereafter.

SamCogar wrote: I know my GP wants to do blood work, etc., etc. at every office visit and I know it is just to cover "overhead" for those that Medicare/Medicaid/State Health Cards don't pay for the actual cost of being treated.

Acutally your insurance doesn't pay the entire cost either. It pays what is considered "usual and customary" Whatelse you said is partly the truth, but the real drivers are the practice of safe medicine, i.e. covering their butt from law suits and the fact that one's insurance usually pays for it and it isn't questioned.

Cato

Number of posts : 2010
Location : Behind my desk
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by ohio county Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:22 pm

If you had to pay for doctor's visits, you'd refuse to show up when you didn't need to go, refuse to take the unnecessary tests, and force your doctor to give you some value for your money. A doctor's routine office visit wouldn't cost $75 if it was subjected to the forces of the free market.
ohio county
ohio county
Moderator

Number of posts : 3207
Location : Wheeling
Registration date : 2007-12-28

Back to top Go down

Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit Empty Re: Obama Seeks Health Care Push From Pulpit

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Page 1 of 2 1, 2  Next

Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum