KKK to build shrine near '63 church bombing.

Keli wrote:Once built, 1,000 to 2,000 hooded and robed Klansmen are expected to pray at the foot of the proposed Fiery Cross building every Sunday.

SheikBen wrote:Zig,

I fancy myself in the center of the mosque issue. I don't think they SHOULD build it there, I think it's insensitive, but I don't see the legal issue, so I don't see the government's issue, either.

So I think the mosque ought to go elsewhere, but I think just as much that it is not for the public really to determine, outside of NYC. If the city wants it there, the city will have it there. If the city wants more than it gets, well, then that's the city's problem as well (and not mine)

SheikBen wrote:I agree that Messr. Obama does not care about the will of the people most anywhere, but we will see if he cares enough about their wellbeing to put that over his own ideology.

What it is, is an act of the muslim world, the liberal left, our so called president telling the US and its citizens to go "F" themselves. I can't speak for another soul here on this board, but I don't fancy being told to "F" off. Especially, by the people who commited an act so cowardly, it is hard to describe.

ziggy wrote:

What it is, is an act of the muslim world, the liberal left, our so called president telling the US and its citizens to go "F" themselves. I can't speak for another soul here on this board, but I don't fancy being told to "F" off. Especially, by the people who commited an act so cowardly, it is hard to describe.

The people who committed the act have been dead for 9 years.

ziggy wrote:

What it is, is an act of the muslim world, the liberal left, our so called president telling the US and its citizens to go "F" themselves. I can't speak for another soul here on this board, but I don't fancy being told to "F" off. Especially, by the people who commited an act so cowardly, it is hard to describe.

The people who committed the act have been dead for 9 years.

Stephanie wrote:I'm really struggling with the hype and hysteria surrounding this cultural center. It is NOT a mosque, but it will have a room for prayer. There will be no calls to prayer, no minarets. It is also a couple of blocks from Ground Zero.

This nation and her people have serious problems. Some might actually say we're in dire straits. Unemployment numbers are staggering. Our ports and borders are not secure. We have millions and millions of people in our country illegally, some of them engaged in violent crimes, and these millions of people violating our law are a serious burden on our hospitals and our schools. Our brave young men and women are engaged in battle on the other side of the globe. The housing market is still a mess. Our prisons are bursting at the seams. The list of our genuine difficulties goes on and on and yet this is the issue some people are so incensed about?

Forgive me if the construction of a cultural center in Manhattan doesn't register as even a blip on my radar. I have more important things to think about. I honestly believe every other American over the age of 12 does too.

Officials in NYC gave this project the OK. The local clergy are on board. It isn't for the citizens of WV, or RI, or FL, or AL, or bloviators from Fox News to decide. I think the powers that be are using this as a distraction so we'll not pay attention to how corrupt and incompetent they are.

Cato wrote:Ziggy, if you are any example of the presnet gaggle of baffoons, this nation has no chance. It is doomed. I don't think you or your type of hippie ilk have the balls to defend youself, much less any of your family. I think you'd sell your mother for a dime. I think you are yellow through and through. I don't think you have the courage to stand up for any you believe, in fact, I really don't think you have any convictions. I think you exist to solely for your own belly and nothing else.

Keli wrote:

Stephanie wrote:I'm really struggling with the hype and hysteria surrounding this cultural center. It is NOT a mosque, but it will have a room for prayer. There will be no calls to prayer, no minarets. It is also a couple of blocks from Ground Zero.

This nation and her people have serious problems. Some might actually say we're in dire straits. Unemployment numbers are staggering. Our ports and borders are not secure. We have millions and millions of people in our country illegally, some of them engaged in violent crimes, and these millions of people violating our law are a serious burden on our hospitals and our schools. Our brave young men and women are engaged in battle on the other side of the globe. The housing market is still a mess. Our prisons are bursting at the seams. The list of our genuine difficulties goes on and on and yet this is the issue some people are so incensed about?

Forgive me if the construction of a cultural center in Manhattan doesn't register as even a blip on my radar. I have more important things to think about. I honestly believe every other American over the age of 12 does too.

Officials in NYC gave this project the OK. The local clergy are on board. It isn't for the citizens of WV, or RI, or FL, or AL, or bloviators from Fox News to decide. I think the powers that be are using this as a distraction so we'll not pay attention to how corrupt and incompetent they are.

Why has the Mosque at Ground Zero been given priority over the Greek Orthodox Church that was destroyed at Ground Zero? The fact that these Cordoban Muslim radicals want a Rec Center with a Prayer Room and maybe a Puppy and Kitten Rescue Center?--no scratch the puppies--is still a poke in the eye of the the victims and their families. If it isn't a Mosque how will it qualify for tax exemption, Stephanie? Or, if it isn't a religious center, what does it matter what the hireling Christian clergy say? (Since when does it matter to you what Christian clergy say or think?)

US President Barack Obama adopted a difficult position when he supported the building of a mosque near ground zero, where 3,000 US citizens died at the hands of Al-Qaeda terrorists on 11 September 2001.

Despite the fact that the president adopted the correct stance in principle, i.e. the principle of freedom of worship, in my opinion he adopted an unnecessary and unimportant stance, even as far as Muslims are concerned. The mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they are not bothered by its construction.

This reminds us of another principled stance Obama took when he insisted on putting the Guantanamo prisoners accused of belonging to Al-Qaeda on trial before civilian courts, and on closing down the military prison. It is true that this stance deserves appreciation. However, the fact is that he fought a battle that does not concern Muslims across the world, because there are tens of thousands of Muslims - similar to those accused of extremism - who are imprisoned in worse conditions in Muslim countries.

Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery, and are not bothered with Bin Ladin's cook being put on trial in a civilian court. Muslims have issues that encroach upon the destinies of nations; these issues are the cause of isolation and calamity, such as the establishment of the State of Palestine. For Obama to focus his energy and efforts, and fight for the establishment of peace in the Middle East is more important and more valuable than a mosque in New York.

The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!

I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!

The sides enthusiastic for building the mosque might be building companies, architect houses, or politicized groups that want suitable investments?! I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits. This is because the idea of the mosque specifically next to the destruction is not at all a clever deed. The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.

What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

It is the wrong battle, because originally there was no mosque in order to rebuild it, and there are no practicing Muslims who want a place in which to worship.

stephanie's article wrote: What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries.

stephanie's article wrote: Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam.

stephanie' article wrote: I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

Stephanie wrote:You're a real ass, Cato.

The MAJORITY of Muslims don't have the ability to "speak up or against" anything. The majority of Muslims don't have access to technology and the media the way most Americans do.

Stephanie wrote:You have a lot of freaking nerve speaking to ANYBODY about tolerance. You are one of the most narrow-minded, mean-spirited, hateful biggots I have ever encountered. I'm not convinced you know the meaning of the word.

There are several million Muslims in this nation, where is their voice? I certainly haven't heard it and if you are honest, niether have you. Silence speaks volumes by the way.