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Why no ant-covered Mohammad?
Smithsonian Christmas-Season Exhibit Features Ant-Covered Jesus
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(CNSNews.com) -- The federally funded National Portrait Gallery, one of the museums of the Smithsonian Institution, is currently showing an exhibition that features images of an ant-covered Jesus, male genitals, naked brothers kissing, men in chains, Ellen DeGeneres grabbing her breasts, and a painting the Smithsonian itself describes in the show's catalog as "homoerotic."
The exhibit, “Hide/Seek: Difference and Desire in American Portraiture,” opened on Oct. 30 and will run throughout the Christmas Season, closing on Feb. 13.
“This is an exhibition that displays masterpieces of American portraiture and we wanted to illustrate how questions of biography and identity went into the making of images that are canonical,” David C. Ward, a National Portrait Gallery (NGP) historian who is also co-curator of the exhibit, told CNSNews.com.
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Smithsonian to Remove Ant-Covered Jesus on Cross Video From Exhibit (Paid for by taxpayers)
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Maybe someone could depict an AIDS victim by wrapping a Koran in bacon?
Fox News ^ | 11/30/2010 | fox news
The Smithsonian Institution's National Portrait Gallery will remove a four-minute video feature that contains an image of Jesus on a crucifix covered in ants, its director said in a statement released on Tuesday.
Martin Sullivan, director of the museum, said the video by David Wojnarowicz shows images that "may be" offensive to some.
"I regret that some reports about the exhibit have created an impression that the video is intentionally sacrilegious," the statement read. "In fact, the artists's intention was to depict the suffering of an AIDS victim. It was not the museum's intention to offend. We are removing the video today. The museum's statement at the exhibition's entrance, 'This exhibition contains mature themes,' will remain in place."
Earlier Tuesday, the museum was under fire for hosting the exhibit that also includes depictions of homoerotic art and an image of Ellen DeGeneres grabbing her breasts. The exhibit outraged conservative leaders and prompted some Republican lawmakers to call for a congressional investigation.
“Absolutely, we should look at their funds,” Georgia Rep. Jack Kingston, a member of the House Appropriations Committee, told Fox News.
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Maybe someone could depict an AIDS victim by wrapping a Koran in bacon?
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Fascinating stuff, Keli. Justice Breyer has said that burning a Koran might be akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater, which amounts to a government preference for Islam over Christianity, as there will be no riots or killings over the blasphemous piece you cite above. I wonder if liberal churches will be as outraged over THIS as they were over the Florida pastor burning Korans.
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SheikBen wrote:Fascinating stuff, Keli. Justice Breyer has said that burning a Koran might be akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater, which amounts to a government preference for Islam over Christianity, as there will be no riots or killings over the blasphemous piece you cite above. I wonder if liberal churches will be as outraged over THIS as they were over the Florida pastor burning Korans.
One side of me really feels that since lefties and the like prefer islam, maybe they ought to live under it for awhile and then tell us how bigoted we are for being concerned over stuff like this.
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Cato wrote:SheikBen wrote:Fascinating stuff, Keli. Justice Breyer has said that burning a Koran might be akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater, which amounts to a government preference for Islam over Christianity, as there will be no riots or killings over the blasphemous piece you cite above. I wonder if liberal churches will be as outraged over THIS as they were over the Florida pastor burning Korans.
One side of me really feels that since lefties and the like prefer islam, maybe they ought to live under it for awhile and then tell us how bigoted we are for being concerned over stuff like this.
I don't know any "lefties and the like" who prefer Islam. It is not to prefer any religion to advocate for the U.S. and its citizens to not be the instigator of acts that inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America. Just as we finally became civilized enough to not burn crosses in the yards of black people and Jews, we should be civilized enough to not burn religious books when we know the result will be to inflame those who already hate us for our meddling in middle eastern and other worldly affairs which are none of our legitimate business.
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It is not to prefer any religion to advocate for the U.S. and its citizens to not be the instigator of acts that inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America.
We cannot instigate acts that might inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America but we can publically finance "art" that denigrates the religious sensibilities of large blocs of Americans? Too clever by half. With freedom comes great stupidity.
One of the artists featured in the Smithsonian exhibit has criticized Norman Rockwell for his "lack of courage". Would this artist not be more courageous in depicting Mohammed covered in ants? After all the penalty would be death whereas he is only held up to scorn for similarly trivializing Jesus...
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Correction: It was the art critic of the Washington Post, one Blake Gopnik who criticized Rockwell and castigated the Smithsonian for pulling a video of the "ant Christ".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/30/AR2010113006911.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/30/AR2010113006911.html
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ziggy wrote: I don't know any "lefties and the like" who prefer Islam. It is not to prefer any religion to advocate for the U.S. and its citizens to not be the instigator of acts that inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America
How many like yourself do you know that are scared shitless at what the Islamic fundies will do to you iffen you insult their Religious beliefs?
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ziggy wrote:Cato wrote:SheikBen wrote:Fascinating stuff, Keli. Justice Breyer has said that burning a Koran might be akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater, which amounts to a government preference for Islam over Christianity, as there will be no riots or killings over the blasphemous piece you cite above. I wonder if liberal churches will be as outraged over THIS as they were over the Florida pastor burning Korans.
One side of me really feels that since lefties and the like prefer islam, maybe they ought to live under it for awhile and then tell us how bigoted we are for being concerned over stuff like this.
I don't know any "lefties and the like" who prefer Islam. It is not to prefer any religion to advocate for the U.S. and its citizens to not be the instigator of acts that inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America. Just as we finally became civilized enough to not burn crosses in the yards of black people and Jews, we should be civilized enough to not burn religious books when we know the result will be to inflame those who already hate us for our meddling in middle eastern and other worldly affairs which are none of our legitimate business.
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SamCogar wrote:ziggy wrote: I don't know any "lefties and the like" who prefer Islam. It is not to prefer any religion to advocate for the U.S. and its citizens to not be the instigator of acts that inflame religious emotions that breed terrorism against America
How many like yourself do you know that are scared shitless at what the Islamic fundies will do to you iffen you insult their Religious beliefs?
I criticize all supernatural religion generically- without regard to whatever names it be called called. It is all hocus-pocus designed primarily, as you say, to "scare shitless", to browbeat and to otherwise intimidate and render its subjects to virtual powerlessness and helplessness. "Christians" usually warn us that God will take care of the unbelievers and the "infidels"- though some more doubting Christians- unsure of God's resolve- dare to undertake to do God's punishment themselves. Some Islamic militants are at least more honest- telling us that THEY will take care of the unbelievers and the infidels- and they proceed to show us accordingly. Both are misguided- putting their puny Gods on an artificial pedestal of displaced self-aggrandizement.
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DUH, I already knew those answers you gave ...... but I still don't know the answer to the questiion that I ask you.
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Ziggy,
Indeed the effects of religion are different in the here and now and in the sweet by and by. If Christians are wrong as you suggest, the effects you need be concerned about are limited to this world. Yet, in your post, you flippantly compare the ultimate truth claims of Christianity and Islam, lumping them into the category of supernatural religion and self-aggrandizing proponents, forgetting that you have the right to be blasphemous specifically because you are in a tolerant nation that is majority Christian.
Ironically, it is the tolerance of majority Christian America that allows such filth in art to be shown without riots. Folks believe that secularization and the rejection of traditional Christianity is going to lead to decent results. Perhaps it is noteworthy to remember the German "rationalists of the late 1800s and early 1900s. The National Socialists were successful in disestablishing the German church and marginalizing the Confessing church. It did not end well.
Indeed the effects of religion are different in the here and now and in the sweet by and by. If Christians are wrong as you suggest, the effects you need be concerned about are limited to this world. Yet, in your post, you flippantly compare the ultimate truth claims of Christianity and Islam, lumping them into the category of supernatural religion and self-aggrandizing proponents, forgetting that you have the right to be blasphemous specifically because you are in a tolerant nation that is majority Christian.
Ironically, it is the tolerance of majority Christian America that allows such filth in art to be shown without riots. Folks believe that secularization and the rejection of traditional Christianity is going to lead to decent results. Perhaps it is noteworthy to remember the German "rationalists of the late 1800s and early 1900s. The National Socialists were successful in disestablishing the German church and marginalizing the Confessing church. It did not end well.
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SheikBen wrote:Ziggy,
Indeed the effects of religion are different in the here and now and in the sweet by and by. If Christians are wrong as you suggest, the effects you need be concerned about are limited to this world. Yet, in your post, you flippantly compare the ultimate truth claims of Christianity and Islam, lumping them into the category of supernatural religion and self-aggrandizing proponents, forgetting that you have the right to be blasphemous specifically because you are in a tolerant nation that is majority Christian.
And- even more importantly- which has a 1st Amendment that is (mostly) alive and well.
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not quite, zig, as a great amount of religious violence is not state sponsored.
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That's true, Mike. Still, quite a bit of what isn't state sponsored is state tolerated.
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Why not? The state has no stake in it...
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Here is an exception to the "no Allah rule."
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