So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
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So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
Mounting State Debts Stoke Fears of Looming Crisis
The State of Illinois is still paying off billions in bills that it got from schools and social service providers last year. Arizona recently stopped paying for certain organ transplants for people in its Medicaid program. States are releasing prisoners early, more to cut expenses than to reward good behavior. And in Newark, the city laid off 13 percent of its police officers last week.
While next year could be even worse, there are bigger, longer-term risks, financial analysts say. Their fear is that even when the economy recovers, the shortfalls will not disappear, because many state and local governments have so much debt — several trillion dollars’ worth, with much of it off the books and largely hidden from view — that it could overwhelm them in the next few years.
Resorting to Fiscal Tricks …… is just what Illinois, which has been failing to make the required annual payments to its pension funds for years, is doing. It borrowed $10 billion in 2003 and used the money to invest in its pension funds. The recession sent their investment returns below their target, but the state must repay the bonds, with interest. The solution? Illinois sold an additional $3.5 billion worth of pension bonds this year and is planning to borrow $3.7 billion more for its pension funds.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40514947/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times/
SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
And if our good Senator Rockefeller has his way, debts in cities and counties will rise.
West Virginia municipal leaders are terrified that the lame-duck session of Congress will pass Senate Bill 3194, the cheerily named "Public Employee-Employer Cooperation Act."
Their fear is justified.
As is often the case with bill titles, this one is hardly a reflection of the intent.
The bill would force state and local governments to recognize unions and their leaders as the bargaining agents for police and firefighters, emergency workers, other first responders and correctional officers.
The controversial legislation passed the House of Representatives earlier this year when labor leaders got House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to include the measure in a war spending bill.
The Senate rejected the bill, but now Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, is considering bringing it back up during the lame-duck session.
The West Virginia Municipal League and some leading mayors in the state are lobbying hard against the legislation, believing it will be ruinous for cities and towns.
The legislation tramples the autonomy of municipalities by forcing them into collective bargaining even if their citizens are opposed. For example, several years ago Morgantown voters rejected collective bargaining for municipal employees by a more than two-to-one margin.
The Municipal League also contends the law would amount to an unfunded mandate. Cities could be coerced through the collective bargaining process into providing pay and benefits beyond what their taxpayers are able to fund.
The legislation does not allow for strikes by first responders, but forced collective bargaining certainly increases the likelihood of an unauthorized walkout by those required to be on the front lines of city services.
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Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
This is another version of what Boehner refused to describe and then characterized as "chicken crap". Why would any West Virginia politician feel compelled to prostrate himself before the altar of unionism? Do woodchucks chuck wood? What kind of numbers are we talking about a dwindling 9%?
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
If this is a local question, why not let local voters decide it? I'll tell you why - they're paying off their banker, the unions. This is where tyranny comes from. Mark my words. F. A. von Hayek said that a society's individual freedom quotient is inversely proportional to the size and scope of the national government. That lying, under federal investigation prick, Manchin, said during the campaign he was for extending the Bush-era tax cuts across the board. Now that he's got himself installed he's joined the club. Enjoy your two years, Joe.
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
ohio county wrote:If this is a local question, why not let local voters decide it? I'll tell you why - they're paying off their banker, the unions. This is where tyranny comes from. Mark my words. F. A. von Hayek said that a society's individual freedom quotient is inversely proportional to the size and scope of the national government. That lying, under federal investigation prick, Manchin, said during the campaign he was for extending the Bush-era tax cuts across the board. Now that he's got himself installed he's joined the club. Enjoy your two years, Joe.
Don't hold anything back Ohio. You'll feel better if you get it off your chest
You are right, it didn't take long for Manchin to join the pack. Like 99.9995% of all politicans he's a liar. He did what all politicans do. He said what he had to to get elected. Once elected what he said went out the window.
What astounds me the most whoever, is that the sheeple never ever seem to learn. Instead of looking at the charactor of the man, they just run from one lying bastard to another.
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
Saturday December 4, 2010
Raese says his forecast about Manchin was right
http://www.dailymail.com/News/statenews/201012030021
"I think he's going to do much what we predicted he would do. He will sort of march to that tune."
And that tune is one piped by Democratic President Barack Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Raese said.
Raese says his forecast about Manchin was right
http://www.dailymail.com/News/statenews/201012030021
"I think he's going to do much what we predicted he would do. He will sort of march to that tune."
And that tune is one piped by Democratic President Barack Obama and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Raese said.
SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
The question is two-fold:
1-Will West Virginians pay enough attention to trounce him in 2012?
2-Will enough of them say so immediatelyi to see if they can salvage their voice in the Senate before that?
If the answer is no to either, Manchin will be Obama's lap dog; however, I am convinced that someone with enough of an argument based from 2010 could actually reason with him; not ideologically, but in a strictly pragmatic sense. Watch him to take more "brave" votes in the last few months of his present term, and then pray the good folks (and compared to the rest of the coutnry, you really are) send him either back home or to prison.
1-Will West Virginians pay enough attention to trounce him in 2012?
2-Will enough of them say so immediatelyi to see if they can salvage their voice in the Senate before that?
If the answer is no to either, Manchin will be Obama's lap dog; however, I am convinced that someone with enough of an argument based from 2010 could actually reason with him; not ideologically, but in a strictly pragmatic sense. Watch him to take more "brave" votes in the last few months of his present term, and then pray the good folks (and compared to the rest of the coutnry, you really are) send him either back home or to prison.
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Re: So you think we are on the road to recovery, HUH?
Aaron wrote:And if our good Senator Rockefeller has his way, debts in cities and counties will rise.West Virginia municipal leaders are terrified that the lame-duck session of Congress will pass Senate Bill 3194, the cheerily named "Public Employee-Employer Cooperation Act."
Their fear is justified.
As is often the case with bill titles, this one is hardly a reflection of the intent.
The bill would force state and local governments to recognize unions and their leaders as the bargaining agents for police and firefighters, emergency workers, other first responders and correctional officers.
The controversial legislation passed the House of Representatives earlier this year when labor leaders got House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to include the measure in a war spending bill.
The Senate rejected the bill, but now Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nevada, is considering bringing it back up during the lame-duck session.
The West Virginia Municipal League and some leading mayors in the state are lobbying hard against the legislation, believing it will be ruinous for cities and towns.
The legislation tramples the autonomy of municipalities by forcing them into collective bargaining even if their citizens are opposed. For example, several years ago Morgantown voters rejected collective bargaining for municipal employees by a more than two-to-one margin.
The Municipal League also contends the law would amount to an unfunded mandate. Cities could be coerced through the collective bargaining process into providing pay and benefits beyond what their taxpayers are able to fund.
The legislation does not allow for strikes by first responders, but forced collective bargaining certainly increases the likelihood of an unauthorized walkout by those required to be on the front lines of city services.
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Guess who esle has come out in favor of this bill!!!
Manchin
Read the story here
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