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Post by Keli Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:02 am

The Tea Party vs. NPR
Townhall.com ^ | March 12, 2011 | Paul Kengor

“The current Republican Party, particularly the Tea Party, is fanatically involved in people’s personal lives and very fundamental Christian,” said NPR’s Ron Schiller to two undercover reporters. “I wouldn’t even call it Christian; it’s this weird evangelical kind of [movement].”

Not knowing he was being videoed, Schiller continued: “The current Republican Party is not really the Republican Party, it’s been hijacked by this group; that is, not just Islamo-phobic but really xenophobic. I mean, basically, they are, they believe in sort of white, middle-American, gun toting—I mean, it’s scary. They’re seriously racist, racist people.” (Click here for transcript and here for video.)

Schiller is being heavily criticized for these comments, as is NPR and elite liberal thinking in general. Schiller, NPR Foundation president and vice president for development (until these comments), is the Left’s latest exhibit in smearing the Tea Party movement as bigots, racists, fascists, Hitler-ites, followers of Attila the Hun, Torquemada, Genghis Khan, or whatever other handy demon.

Yet, what’s telling about Schiller’s comments is their lack of factual basis, an even greater sin from a man whose business, and erstwhile employer, is the reporting of facts. His comments are a PR problem for NPR, furthering the perception that NPR is not about unbiased reporting but primarily about opinion—a leftist opinion camouflaged as objective news.

As evidence for my perspective, I’d like to share some statistical information on the Tea Party movement. This information was widely published and is easily available to anyone, least of all a major news organization like NPR.

In March 2010, Gallup did a comprehensive survey of the Tea Party (click here). Gallup is the most respected polling firm on the planet, and not conservative. The headline Gallup chose to highlight its study speaks for itself, “Tea Partiers Are Fairly Mainstream in Their Demographics.”

That study found that 49 percent of “Tea Party identifiers” are Republicans while 43 percent are independents and 8 percent are Democrats. The majority are not Republicans.

As to Schiller’s strange “evangelical” comment, the study found that a little over a quarter of Tea Partiers describe themselves as “pro-choice” on abortion, suggesting a stronger libertarian presence than a uniform “evangelical” movement. That’s no surprise to anyone who has observed the Tea Party even casually.

The Tea Party movement was inspired by the breathtakingly reckless spending by the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Democratic leadership that took power in 2009. Its issues are far more economic/fiscal than religious/moral. There’s a more discernible Ayn Rand “Atlas Shrugged” element than a Jerry Falwell “Moral Majority” feel—and Rand was no evangelical.

Generally, Gallup’s survey indeed found that the Tea Party was “fairly mainstream” in its demographics.

At the same time as Gallup’s study, another survey was released, by Rasmussen. Particularly interesting about this survey was that it gauged public opinion—i.e., how others viewed the Tea Party. Overwhelmingly, by 62 percent to 12 percent, Rasmussen found that “Mainstream Americans” judged the Tea Party “closer to their views” than the Democratic Congress. By 68 percent to 16 percent, Americans deemed Tea Party members “better informed” than members of Congress.

This suggests, as a matter of statistical fact, that NPR’s Ron Schiller is the extremist when it comes to Tea Party views. That’s a claim I can make from data—which Schiller never offered.

This information is out there, and has been for a while. I know it because, I, too, work in a field where reporting and analysis must be based on information. Anytime I talk to someone who has been to a Tea Party rally, I ask questions. Before I form or adjust an opinion, I want to hear actual experiences. And beyond anecdotal examples, I’d like some hard data.

How could an NPR person—the pinnacle of the liberal news profession—ignore such information?

The answer is more psychological-political than logical. Many liberals despise the Tea Party movement because of its roots in opposition to Obama-Pelosi-Reid. Really, though, the Tea Party was inadvertently created by liberals—or, at least, by their reckless spending policies in Washington.

Yet, for many Obama supporters, that kind of careful analysis of opponents is jettisoned. They’d rather transmogrify their detractors into devils and gargoyles than try to understand them and perhaps even answer them.

In Ron Schiller’s take on the Tea Party, we have a member of the liberal elite constructing a reality of his own making, one that flies in the face of evidentiary experience, of thoughtful inspection.

Unfortunately, Schiller is far from alone. And isn’t it ironic that he, NPR, his former boss at NPR, Vivian Schiller (no relation), are losing—actually, resigning? They are losing to perceptions of NPR—correct perceptions of NPR’s bias, perceptions that are grounded in reality, in actual examination.

Americans are gathering facts on the folks at NPR, and they don’t like what they’re hearing.
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Post by SamCogar Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:11 pm

Those persons who are part of the Culture of Corruption, Deviousness and Dishonesty ........... will badmouth, bastardize, blastpheme, demagogue, demoralize and//or ....... accuse of being liars, idiots, morons, racists and/or bigots ....... anyone or anything in order to preserve and further their personal and amoral agenda.

Devious, dishonest, amoral persons, in order to CTA, will quickly and repeatedly claim their foe is the amoral one. Twisted Evil

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Post by Aaron Sat Mar 12, 2011 2:34 pm

I went to a TEA Party meeting in Cincinnati 2 years ago before idiots like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck swooped in and tried to take control. Where they were successful, as in Putnam County, the TEA Party is nothing more then an arm of the Republican party. Where they weren't as in Mason County, there is a true movement. That's why all opposition to Route 35's tolls was opposed by Mason Countains while Putnam Countains sat on their arses?
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Post by Cato Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:11 pm

Aaron wrote:I went to a TEA Party meeting in Cincinnati 2 years ago before idiots like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck swooped in and tried to take control. Where they were successful, as in Putnam County, the TEA Party is nothing more then an arm of the Republican party. Where they weren't as in Mason County, there is a true movement. That's why all opposition to Route 35's tolls was opposed by Mason Countains while Putnam Countains sat on their arses?

I am very curious. What has either Glen Beck or Sarah Palin said that makes them idiots?

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Post by Aaron Sat Mar 12, 2011 8:51 pm

So you haven't heard them speak then.

Interesting.

So since you haven't heard them speak, I'm curious, you do understand that neither was with TEA partiers when the movement started, don't you?
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Post by SheikBen Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:08 am

I'm not terribly impressed with Sarah Palin's speeches, granted, but I don't see how the political philosophies of Palin and Beck are at all incongruous to the Tea Party ideal of less government spending and waste.

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Post by SamCogar Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:01 am

Aaron wrote:I went to a TEA Party meeting ........ before idiots like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck swooped in and ............... the TEA Party is nothing more then an arm of the Republican party. ..................

Rivit, ...... rivit, ..... rivit, ....

Those persons who are part of the Culture of Corruption, Deviousness and Dishonesty ........... will badmouth, and//or ....... accuse of being idiots, ....... anyone or anything in order to preserve and further their personal and amoral agenda.



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Post by Aaron Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:20 am

SamCogar wrote:
Aaron wrote:I went to a TEA Party meeting ........ before idiots like Sarah Palin and Glen Beck swooped in and ............... the TEA Party is nothing more then an arm of the Republican party. ..................

Rivit, ...... rivit, ..... rivit, ....

Those persons who are part of the Culture of Corruption, Deviousness and Dishonesty ........... will badmouth, and//or ....... accuse of being idiots, ....... anyone or anything in order to preserve and further their personal and amoral agenda.



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Post by Aaron Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:20 am

SheikBen wrote:I'm not terribly impressed with Sarah Palin's speeches, granted, but I don't see how the political philosophies of Palin and Beck are at all incongruous to the Tea Party ideal of less government spending and waste.

It's not their political philosophies SB that concern me, it is their religious philosophies that they and others have incorporated into the movement that I take issue with. When you combine that with the fact that both are blowhards in love with the sound of their own voice and the only interest either care about is their own, I am not alone in that they and those like them are responsiblie for running off many moderate independents and conservative Democrats.

John Stossel interviewed a woman on election night (I think it was Michelle Bachmann but I can't find a link) who stated rather emphatically that the election results last November were not only a referendum on smaller government and reduced spending but on implementing their moral values as well.

That is not what the TEA Party movement was founded on in 2008/2009. That's why, when you compare a gallup poll to those who viewed themselves as TEA Party supporters, the percentage of Republicans increased from 49% in early 2009 to the current 80%.

True Tea Partiers want smaller government and less spending, not the right imposing their moral values on us and certainly not church. If it's all the same, we can take care of that aspect of our lives on our own.

I'm not alone in my view point as this post at the Daily Paul displays.

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Post by Stephanie Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:42 pm

Wait,wait just a minute there, Aaron.

Putnam County has never had a Tea Party group. NEVER.

I have been encouraged by members of the MVTP group to start one.

I know people who live in this county who are members of the Mason County group and the Huntington group, in addition to the group I sometimes participate in.

My point is, some of the people who were there fighting with the MCT group are PC residents.
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Post by Stephanie Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:45 pm

OK, I need to be truthful about something here. I have not undertaken the task of trying to create a PC Tea Party group because I fear I will help create something that will be taken over by conservative religious zealots.
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Post by Stephanie Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:49 pm


I'm not terribly impressed with Sarah Palin's speeches, granted, but I don't see how the political philosophies of Palin and Beck are at all incongruous to the Tea Party ideal of less government spending and waste.

Here's the difference, Mike.

When the Tea Party was first founded the desire was less government spending and waste, exactly like you said. However, it was more than that. It was a group insisting government obey the Constitution.

NOW there are Tea Party groups across the country fighting gay marriage and medical marijuana and all in a tizzy over homosexuals in the military. That's why I've distanced myself from the MVTP group to a large degree.
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Post by Aaron Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:08 pm

Stephanie wrote:Wait,wait just a minute there, Aaron.

Putnam County has never had a Tea Party group. NEVER.

I have been encouraged by members of the MVTP group to start one.

I know people who live in this county who are members of the Mason County group and the Huntington group, in addition to the group I sometimes participate in.

My point is, some of the people who were there fighting with the MCT group are PC residents.

Says you. If you ask some of the Putnam County Republicans, they'll tell you they're TEA Party members, which is my point. The TEA Party was started by Libertarin fiscal policies and consided of consrvatives, moderates and liberals.

At the onset, conservatives made up about 49% but over the past two years the movement has been hi-jacked by the likes of Limbaugh, Palin and Beck. All were around before the TEA Party, all are talking heads who like to hear themself talk and all suck up to the far right of the party and as such, has killed any chance for a viable 3rd party.

And imho, all are idiots. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of what they say but Limbaugh's a blowhard, Becks a crybaby and a liar and Palin's a zealout quitter. Lets at least call a spade a spade.
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Post by SheikBen Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:33 pm

Stephanie wrote:
I'm not terribly impressed with Sarah Palin's speeches, granted, but I don't see how the political philosophies of Palin and Beck are at all incongruous to the Tea Party ideal of less government spending and waste.

Here's the difference, Mike.

When the Tea Party was first founded the desire was less government spending and waste, exactly like you said. However, it was more than that. It was a group insisting government obey the Constitution.

NOW there are Tea Party groups across the country fighting gay marriage and medical marijuana and all in a tizzy over homosexuals in the military. That's why I've distanced myself from the MVTP group to a large degree.

There are always going to be parts of a given movement that do not speak for the movement as a whole. Very often those who are committed to fiscal sanity are social conservatives as well. I don't think this is cause for self-removal or distancing from a given Tea Party, but rather cause of telling your fellow travellers "this is where I get off the bus." While a social conservative myself, I think there is great value in more libertarian minded tea partiers asserting themselves.

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Post by Cato Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:03 pm

Aaron wrote:So you haven't heard them speak then.

Interesting.

So since you haven't heard them speak, I'm curious, you do understand that neither was with TEA partiers when the movement started, don't you?

What I have and haven't heard wasn't the question. Neither was the question posed regarding whether or not they stood with the teaparty. Frankly, personally, I don't care whether or not they stood with or against the Teaparty. You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

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Post by Aaron Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:30 pm

Cato wrote:
Aaron wrote:So you haven't heard them speak then.

Interesting.

So since you haven't heard them speak, I'm curious, you do understand that neither was with TEA partiers when the movement started, don't you?

What I have and haven't heard wasn't the question. Neither was the question posed regarding whether or not they stood with the teaparty. Frankly, personally, I don't care whether or not they stood with or against the Teaparty. You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

I'm sorry, I forgot. Let me make it basic for you. I have heard both speak and based on both's self serving bloviating, I believe both are idiots.

Good enough for you?
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Post by SamCogar Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:42 am

You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

It is always pathetically amusing to me when those people who have never really achieved, accomplished or created anything of social or economic value for themselves or anyone else are so quick to badmouth, berate and criticize those who have.

It seems their only expertise in life has been “Perpetual Sideline Setter” and their only talent is to scream in a loud voice how they think “the game should be played” even though they have never participated or actually played the game that they profess to be an expert on.

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Post by Cato Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:29 am

Aaron wrote:
Cato wrote:
Aaron wrote:So you haven't heard them speak then.

Interesting.

So since you haven't heard them speak, I'm curious, you do understand that neither was with TEA partiers when the movement started, don't you?

What I have and haven't heard wasn't the question. Neither was the question posed regarding whether or not they stood with the teaparty. Frankly, personally, I don't care whether or not they stood with or against the Teaparty. You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

I'm sorry, I forgot. Let me make it basic for you. I have heard both speak and based on both's self serving bloviating, I believe both are idiots.

Good enough for you?

So they are much like you then!!!

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Post by Aaron Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:42 am

SamCogar wrote:
You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

It is always pathetically amusing to me when those people who have never really achieved, accomplished or created anything of social or economic value for themselves or anyone else are so quick to badmouth, berate and criticize those who have.

It seems their only expertise in life has been “Perpetual Sideline Setter” and their only talent is to scream in a loud voice how they think “the game should be played” even though they have never participated or actually played the game that they profess to be an expert on.

I'm curious Sam, are you the kettle and I the pot or is it vice versa.
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Post by Aaron Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:42 am

Cato wrote:
Aaron wrote:
Cato wrote:
Aaron wrote:So you haven't heard them speak then.

Interesting.

So since you haven't heard them speak, I'm curious, you do understand that neither was with TEA partiers when the movement started, don't you?

What I have and haven't heard wasn't the question. Neither was the question posed regarding whether or not they stood with the teaparty. Frankly, personally, I don't care whether or not they stood with or against the Teaparty. You made the statement they were a couple of idiots, I asked why you thought that way.

I'm sorry, I forgot. Let me make it basic for you. I have heard both speak and based on both's self serving bloviating, I believe both are idiots.

Good enough for you?

So they are much like you then!!!

Perhaps if they were more intelligent.
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Post by Aaron Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:45 am

I do find it amusing though that both of your defenses of your heros is to lash out at me.

Telling.
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Post by SheikBen Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:55 am

An interesting point is raised here. Are those of us on the sidelines capable of assessing what happens on stage? I think the answer is yes. I don't suppose that people who have catapulted to prominence, through whatever fickle fingers of fate have pointed them into this direction or that, are somehow much different than the rest of us.

Except for the one big difference that they are on stage in the first place. So, while I do think we can assess their behavior and competence and they should take into account our opinions on and about them, we should also extend a significant amount of grace to them, knowing full well that our own shortcomings, right now ignored by the masses who do not know us, would be "on stage" as well.

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Post by Aaron Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:06 am

There's a difference SB between ones flaws, which we all have and one using emotions to manipulate others. I submit that both the above mentioned are little more than charlatans with the dual goal of bloating their own ego and fleecing someone else out of their money for their respective agendas.
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Post by Cato Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:19 am

Aaron wrote:I do find it amusing though that both of your defenses of your heros is to lash out at me.

Telling.

I don't seem to remember saying whether or not they were my heros. I just posed a simple question as to why you thought they were idiots and you decided to be a smartass, which is normal. By the way, I didn't lash back at you. I just gave you a smartass answer like you gave me.

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Post by Aaron Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:30 am

I answered your question the first time. It's not my fault you cannot comprehend the issues I have with both. In the future, instead of being a smartass, when conversing with you should I come down to your level?
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