SCOTUS John Jay said:

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews.

You mean like the parents that fight to keep their lawbreaking children from being delivered over to the authorities ....... while at the same time demanding that the lawbreaking children of other parents be delivered over to the authorites?

No

"NO" what, ........ your current kingdom isn't of this world?

You do know what "" means, don't you Sammy ole boy? Those are quote signs so if you have a question regarding the quote, I do believe you're going to have to ask the author.

Go ahead, don't be afraid. He listens to even the likes of you.

Aaron wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:With examples like Vaughn Reeves, Eddie Long, Joe Barron, George Rekers, Earl Paulk, Richard Roberts, Lonnie Latham, Paul Barnes, Ted Haggard, Jim and Tammy Baker and Jimmy Swaggart to name a select few, I hardly see how Christian and convictions are synonymous .

Then why didn't you include your name in the above list?

Why?

For the same reasons you listed those names above, ...... DUH.

What is it that I have in common with those that I would list myself on the list? Have they made you look like a bitch in the past and caused you to get your panties in a wad?

Because I don't for one (1) nanosecond think that you have always been and still are ......... living right at the foot of the Cross, ........ that's WHY.

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:With examples like Vaughn Reeves, Eddie Long, Joe Barron, George Rekers, Earl Paulk, Richard Roberts, Lonnie Latham, Paul Barnes, Ted Haggard, Jim and Tammy Baker and Jimmy Swaggart to name a select few, I hardly see how Christian and convictions are synonymous .

Then why didn't you include your name in the above list?

Why?

For the same reasons you listed those names above, ...... DUH.

What is it that I have in common with those that I would list myself on the list? Have they made you look like a bitch in the past and caused you to get your panties in a wad?

Because I don't for one (1) nanosecond think that you have always been and still are ......... living right at the foot of the Cross, ........ that's WHY.

I've never claimed to live at the foot of the cross. In fact, I don't even claim to be a Christian.

Does that clear things up for you or should I try to draw you a picture?

Aaron wrote:You do know what "" means, don't you Sammy ole boy? Those are quote signs so if you have a question regarding the quote, I do believe you're going to have to ask the author.

Why so, it was you who posted the quote and stated, to wit:

After all, wasn’t it Jesus who said ..........

Are you now going to deny you didn't have a reason for posting that quote?

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:You do know what "" means, don't you Sammy ole boy? Those are quote signs so if you have a question regarding the quote, I do believe you're going to have to ask the author.

Why so, it was you who posted the quote and stated, to wit:

After all, wasn’t it Jesus who said ..........

Are you now going to deny you didn't have a reason for posting that quote?

What's that got to do with me living at the foot of the cross? And as you're now touting Christian morals on another thread, are you now living at the foot of the cross?

Stephanie wrote:There are millions and millions of peaceful Muslims..

There are also millions and millions of burka wearing Muslims, so what.

Their morals do not jive with the morals of the majority of US citizenry, ....... NOT YET ...... that is.

So with your new found religion Sam (by the way, congratulations) how do you intrepret Christ New Testament teachings involving the role of government and religion?

Aaron wrote:What's that got to do with me living at the foot of the cross? And as you're now touting Christian morals on another thread, are you now living at the foot of the cross?

Tsk, ... tsk, .... tsk, ....... squirming, aren't you.

Throw some more shit in "this game", ...... that'll take the pressure off of having to explain your actions.

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:What's that got to do with me living at the foot of the cross? And as you're now touting Christian morals on another thread, are you now living at the foot of the cross?

Tsk, ... tsk, .... tsk, ....... squirming, aren't you.

Throw some more shit in "this game", ...... that'll take the pressure off of having to explain your actions.

No, I'm not.

Answer the questions.

Or keep ducking them thus proving what we both know you are. It's totally up to you.

Aaron, go ride your bike, ...... it won't make you any smarter but you will feel better for doing it.

Thanks Sam for proving once again that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Aaron wrote: Our founding fathers did not want religion to play a role in government any more then they wanted government imposing religious requirements on citizens.

So even though it has been abused beyond recognition by liberals, the founding fathers did desire a separation of church and government as did Jesus. That is clear in his New Testament teachings such as “Render unto Caesar.”

I don't really know what the founders wanted or thought. We can take bits and peices and make their writings say whatever we want them to say, at least in my humble opinion. I certainly know both sides do that.

Anyways, I would like to think that founders felt that an individual had the right to choose their own destiny. The only role government was to play was that of protector of these rights. The way I see it however, is that it takes a people with an understanding of right and wrong to make this work. Every law enacted take liberty away, thus the only way for a free people to live together is for a strong sence of right and wrong. At least that's my opinion..

Cato wrote:

Aaron wrote: Our founding fathers did not want religion to play a role in government any more then they wanted government imposing religious requirements on citizens.

So even though it has been abused beyond recognition by liberals, the founding fathers did desire a separation of church and government as did Jesus. That is clear in his New Testament teachings such as “Render unto Caesar.”

I don't really know what the founders wanted or thought. We can take bits and peices and make their writings say whatever we want them to say, at least in my humble opinion. I certainly know both sides do that.

Anyways, I would like to think that founders felt that an individual had the right to choose their own destiny. The only role government was to play was that of protector of these rights. The way I see it however, is that it takes a people with an understanding of right and wrong to make this work. Every law enacted take liberty away, thus the only way for a free people to live together is for a strong sence of right and wrong. At least that's my opinion..

I don't think it's bits and pieces. With the Federalist papers as a catalyst, we know a great deal of what they were thinking and on religion, they followed the teachings of Jesus.

And, upon study of historical papers and from reading the bible, that is my opinion.

Aaron wrote:

Cato wrote:

Aaron wrote: Our founding fathers did not want religion to play a role in government any more then they wanted government imposing religious requirements on citizens.

So even though it has been abused beyond recognition by liberals, the founding fathers did desire a separation of church and government as did Jesus. That is clear in his New Testament teachings such as “Render unto Caesar.”

I don't really know what the founders wanted or thought. We can take bits and peices and make their writings say whatever we want them to say, at least in my humble opinion. I certainly know both sides do that.

Anyways, I would like to think that founders felt that an individual had the right to choose their own destiny. The only role government was to play was that of protector of these rights. The way I see it however, is that it takes a people with an understanding of right and wrong to make this work. Every law enacted take liberty away, thus the only way for a free people to live together is for a strong sence of right and wrong. At least that's my opinion..

I don't think it's bits and pieces. With the Federalist papers as a catalyst, we know a great deal of what they were thinking and on religion, they followed the teachings of Jesus.

And, upon study of historical papers and from reading the bible, that is my opinion.

I have only studied some of the writings we have from the founders, so I don't present myself as an expert on what they thought. I know from experience many on both the left and right have taken bits and peices to justify their particular views, which is sad, not to mention dishonest.

I agree with you, Aaron. From what I understand, they did follow many of Jesus' teachings. It was John Adams who stated that the US Constitution was intended for a religious people (Christian) people. It was unsuited for any other. When I consider the US Constitution, I can understand his view. The US Constitution sets the tone of Government which is very limited and codifies a number of rights, even going so far as recognizing that rights exist beyond what is codified. We see that in the ninth amendment.

This is what has brought me to my view, that the founders recognized and attempted to foster that the individual had the right to life, liberty, and persuit of happiness. In other words the individual had the right to live their life, the freedom to do as they saw fit with their life, and seek their own destiny without government interference. It is my opinion as I think it was our founder opinion that to live free, people have to have a sound moral compass. It is also my opinion that our founders saw christianity as providing that moral compass. That is why, like John Jay, I have a preference for Christians in leadership positions as well as for Christians in general.

Aaron wrote:Why would Jay say we should prefer Christians to govern the United States of America and if you agree with him, why?

If I may come to the party late. The issue of preferring Christians as politicians is one that interests me greatly. On the one hand, I prefer voting anti-abortion out of religious (and secular) convictions, but on the other, I want good governance (which is very limited in scope) and whoever wishes to give that to me is my preferred candidate, no differently than if I go into a Starbucks I want good coffee. While that barista's relationship (or lack thereof) is of eternal importance to him, I just want a cup of good coffee. I don't care who he sleeps with or what his religious convictions are at that moment; give me a good cup of coffee and I'll go away peacefully. Politics is little different.

I don't know if Obama really believes that Jesus Christ died for his sins, but it makes precious little difference to me as I see the consequences of his political sins destroying the country.