God of some Christians sounds like a tyrant.

Let's say my children are paying more attention to some show on television than they are to me. Would I not be right to be jealous and then insist that they turn off the television? Is not my relationship with them more important than who Brittany Spears' baby's daddy is?

Absolutely. Jealousy need have no part of that, however.

If you do the right thing for the wrong reason, you are still doing wrong.

Why would that be for the wrong reason?

SheikBen wrote:I'm not talking about being possessive; I'm talking about jealousy. People never suppose it can be a good thing.

Mike, I wasa smiling when I read your above because that's what I wasa thinkin when I made the following previous post. to wit:

SamCogar wrote:

ziggy wrote:

TerryRC wrote:Jealousy stems from insecurity and no jealousy is good.

Well said.

Well now, I'm not so sure I agree with the part about ...... "no jealousy is good".

With some spouses ............. they prefer and/or thrive on ..... a little bit of jealously being exhibited from/by the other party.

And if their better half doesn't exhibit enough "to please them" ........ then things can go to hell in a handbasket real quick like.

Mike, actually I disagreed with all of Terry's statement, but do to the fact I'm always a "picking on him", ......... I only "half picked on him" that time.

The jealousy that TRC was talking about when he stated ......"Jealousy stems from insecurity", ....... has/had nothing to do with "insecurity" ....... but everything to do with "being possessive".

Besides, I don't think insecurity makes anyone jealous.

It makes them timid, shy, introverted ...... and afraid to "speak up" on about any subject, ........ especially when one's spouse does something or gets involved in something they don't like.

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What do the Germans say: happiness is a blind wife and a deaf husband? Maybe she's not so insecure but the husband is German and can't hear her?!?

Stephanie wrote:OK.......so what happens to all those people who died never having heard of Christ? Now I realize in our ever shrinking world they are fewer than they used to be, but they still exist, and there have been billions who have already died who were born, lived, and died in regions of the world where Christianity had not spread.

Oh, and another thing.....many protestant religions don't baptize their children as infants. What about the kiddies?

I do believe that such people "are lost," yes. As far as infants go, I do not believe that they are ever condemned, whether in areas that have heard the Gospel or those that have not. Romans 1 seems to indicate that people are guilty of violating what can be concluded from both nature and one's own heart (and I agree wholeheartedly--my own heart condemned me long before I cared anything about "sin.")

Now, though, what is the significance of someone being lost? Please remember that I beg people to embrace Jesus Christ as their Savior, their Substitute before a holy God. I am not trying to water down the horrors of hell but I do want to think Biblically and not culturally.

The devil and his minions do not appear to be the ones doing any tormenting--they themselves are being tormented day and night forever and ever. "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever." Additionally, it is not God who is tormenting them, as He tells them to depart from Him as He never knew them (including not only the heathens but "church folk" who never knew Jesus). I've mentioned before that the rich man in the story of Lazarus was concerned about his thirst and able to verbalize that concern (something one doesn't do these days when on fire).

So my point is this--we don't know what hell is like except that it is a place where people are seperated from Jesus Christ (which the heathen you cite already are) and is to be avoided at all costs (as the worm does not die and the fire does not go out). We also know that for some it will be more bearable (some will be beaten with few blows, others with many) and for others they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Conversely, heaven is not all the same place, either. Paul speaks of some people's works being so shoddy that, while through the blood of Jesus Christ they are ushered into heaven, their works are shown for the shoddiness that they are and they themselves experience loss.

Now, with the Psalmist, I'd rather be a peon in heaven than the most virtuous, respected pagan in hell. "For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand. I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness. " At the same time, I do not think you need to fear that God is somehow unaware of the pagans who never had a chance to hear of the Gospel or of the professing Christian who is rude to others and does not demonstrate love towards others. God will not be mocked, "though He is on high, yet He regards the lowly, but the proud He knows from afar."

BTW, I should say that baptism is neither necessarily proof of salvation nor necessary for it. A Christian ought to be baptized because Jesus Christ commanded it; however, given the thief on the Cross, one cannot conclude that water baptism is necessary for salvation. Also, someone can get baptized but still not be a believer (maybe they do it for their parents or because they want "fire insurance" or what have you).

The jealousy that TRC was talking about when he stated ......"Jealousy stems from insecurity", ....... has/had nothing to do with "insecurity" ....... but everything to do with "being possessive".

If you are insecure, you try and hold on to the things you are afraid of losing.

Why would that be for the wrong reason?

You should stop your kids from watching who is Brittany's baby daddy because it sets a bad example for the kids, not because you don't like the competition.

TerryRC wrote:The jealousy that TRC was talking about when he stated ......"Jealousy stems from insecurity", ....... has/had nothing to do with "insecurity" ....... but everything to do with "being possessive".

If you are insecure, you try and hold on to the things you are afraid of losing.

Well now, I have to agree with that ...... because that is what I previously stated.

insecurity makes them timid, shy, introverted ...... and afraid



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