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BREAKER! BREAKER! Calling SHERMANGENERAL!
Top 10 reasons to blame Democrats for soaring gasoline prices
American Thinker ^ | June 16, 2008 | William Tate
American Thinker ^ | June 16, 2008 | William Tate
This started out as an attempt to create a light and humorous, Letterman-esque Top 10 list. But the items on the list, and the drain Americans are seeing in their pocketbooks because of Democrats' actions (sometimes inaction) are just too tragic for that.
10) ANWR If Bill Clinton had signed into law the Republican Congress's 1995 bill to allow drilling of ANWR instead of vetoing it, ANWR could be producing a million barrels of (non-Opec) oil a day--5% of the nation's consumption. Although speaking in another context, even Democrat Senator Charles Schumer, no proponent of ANWR drilling, admits that "one million barrels per day," would cause the price of gasoline to fall "50 cents a gallon almost immediately," according to a recent George Will column.
9) Coastal Drilling (i.e., not in my backyard) Democrats have consistently fought efforts to drill off the U.S. coast, as evidenced by Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz's preotestation against a failed 2005 bill: "Not only does this legislation dismantle the bi-partisan ban on offshore drilling, but it provides a financial incentive for states to do so."
A financial incentive? With the Chinese now slant drilling for oil just 50 miles off the Florida coast, wouldn't that have been a good thing?
Insistence on alternative fuels One of the first acts of the new Democrat-controlled congress in 2007 was an energy bill that "calls for a huge increase in the use of ethanol as a motor fuel and requires new appliance efficiency standards." By focusing on alternative fuels such as ethanol, and not more drilling, Democrats have added to the cost of food, worsening starvation problems around the word and increasing inflationary pressures in the U.S., including prices at the pump.
7) Nuclear power Even the French, who sometimes seem to lack the backbone to stand up for anything other than soft cheese, faced down their environmentalists over the need for nuclear power. France now generates 79% of its electricity from nuclear plants, mitigating the need for imported oil. The French have so much cheap energy that France has become the world's largest exporter of electric power. They have plans in place to build more reactors, including an experimental fusion reactor.
The last nuclear reactor built in the United States, according to the US Dept of Energy, was the "River Bend" plant in Louisiana. Its construction began in March of 1977.
Need I say more?
6) Coal "The liquid hydrocarbon fuel available from American coal reserves exceeds the crude oil reserves of the entire world," writes Dr. Arthur Robinson in an article on humanevents.com. The U.S. has approximately one-fourth of the world's known, proven coal reserves. Coal would be a proven, and increasingly clean, source of electric power and--at current prices--a liquified fuel that would reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Yet Dems and their enviro friends have fought, and continue to fight, both coal-mining and coal plants.
5) Refinery capacity "High oil prices are still being propped up by a shortage of refinery capacity and there is little sign of the bottleneck easing until 2010," according to Peak Oil News. And, while voters in South Dakota have approved zoning for what could become the first new oil refinery in the United States in 30 years, the Dems' environmentalist constituency vows to oppose it, just like environmentalists opposed the floodgates that could have saved New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina.
4) Reduced competition With consolidation in the oil industry, has come reduced competition. Remember, most of the major oil company mergers -- Shell-Texaco, BP-Amoco, Exxon-Mobil, BP-ARCO, and Chevron-Texaco -- happened on Clinton's watch. The number of oil refiners dropped from 28 to 19 companies during Clinton's two terms.
3) The Global Warming Myth At a Group of 8 meeting this week, host and Japanese Economy, Trade and Industry Minister Akira Amari "described the issues of climate change and energy as two sides of the same coin and proposed united solutions ... to address both issues simultaneously". As a result of Global Warming hysteria, the Al Gore-negotiated Kyoto Protocol created a worldwide market in carbon-emissions trading. Both 2005 --the year that trading was initiated--and this year --when the trading expanded dramatically -- saw substantial and unexpected price spikes in the cost of oil, leading us to reason Number...
2) Speculation "Given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices ... it is more likely that as much as 60% of the today oil price is pure speculation," writes F. William Engdahl, an Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization. According to a June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report, US energy futures historically "were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States... The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from (federal) oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000." The bill was signed into law by Bill Clinton, in one of his last acts in office.
1) Defeat of President Bush's 2001 energy package According to the BBC, "Key points of Bush('s 2001) plan were to:
-Promote new oil and gas drilling
-Build new nuclear plants
-Improve electricity grid and build new pipelines -$10bn in tax breaks to promote energy efficiency and alternative fuels
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Keli,
This may yet save the Republicans this year. Maybe they can find both a backbone and some clarity.
This may yet save the Republicans this year. Maybe they can find both a backbone and some clarity.
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Incidentally, what's the interest with Clouseau/Peter Sellers?
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Liberals will tell you this is all a myth, that none of it is proven and that we should explore alternative fuels.
I agree. I think we should start with conservation as we did in the 70's when OPEC attempted to hold us hostage. Reduce the speed limit to at least 65, promote public transportation and carpooling and whatever else we can to do save energy.
I also think we need to start addressing our energy sources using a common sense approach starting with the immediate suspension of production of corn based E85 fuel. Corn is already in high demand and with he floods in Iowa, things are going to get are going to worse. If Congress refuses, the President should stop production by whatever means necessary.
I also think we should look at alternative sources of energy but we've got to do a better job as there are huge problems wiht both wind and solar.
Maybe once the environmentalist can quit fighting over wind as they are Ned Storm we can figure out if it is a vaible source or not.
And maybe one of these days we can can find solar panels that wouldn't cover all of Kansas and parts of 8 other states to generate enough power for the US.
The next argument Frank will use as far as drilling is concerned (he's tried it at least twice) is that there is no guarantee that prices will come down with new drilling.
And f course he's right. There are no guarantees that ANWR or off shore drilling would make a significant difference and lower prices, at least in the short term.
What he fails to comprehend though is that it would be Americans working American jobs and paying taxes to the American government and spending their high wage earnings in American stores which in turn would stimulate the American economy which would eventually affect the dollar but if you listen to Frank, drilling is pointless because it will do no good.
I agree. I think we should start with conservation as we did in the 70's when OPEC attempted to hold us hostage. Reduce the speed limit to at least 65, promote public transportation and carpooling and whatever else we can to do save energy.
I also think we need to start addressing our energy sources using a common sense approach starting with the immediate suspension of production of corn based E85 fuel. Corn is already in high demand and with he floods in Iowa, things are going to get are going to worse. If Congress refuses, the President should stop production by whatever means necessary.
I also think we should look at alternative sources of energy but we've got to do a better job as there are huge problems wiht both wind and solar.
Maybe once the environmentalist can quit fighting over wind as they are Ned Storm we can figure out if it is a vaible source or not.
And maybe one of these days we can can find solar panels that wouldn't cover all of Kansas and parts of 8 other states to generate enough power for the US.
The next argument Frank will use as far as drilling is concerned (he's tried it at least twice) is that there is no guarantee that prices will come down with new drilling.
And f course he's right. There are no guarantees that ANWR or off shore drilling would make a significant difference and lower prices, at least in the short term.
What he fails to comprehend though is that it would be Americans working American jobs and paying taxes to the American government and spending their high wage earnings in American stores which in turn would stimulate the American economy which would eventually affect the dollar but if you listen to Frank, drilling is pointless because it will do no good.
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The next argument Frank will use as far as drilling is concerned (he's tried it at least twice) is that there is no guarantee that prices will come down with new drilling.
And f course he's right. There are no guarantees that ANWR or off shore drilling would make a significant difference and lower prices, at least in the short term.
What he fails to comprehend though is that it would be Americans working American jobs and paying taxes to the American government and spending their high wage earnings in American stores which in turn would stimulate the American economy which would eventually affect the dollar but if you listen to Frank, drilling is pointless because it will do no good.
As usual, you get it wrong. I did not say that it would do no good. I said that there is no reason to believe that it would solve the problem that Aaron and Sam and Stephanie complained about here last week- that oil product prices are too high and that people will freeze to death because they cannot afford to buy heating oil at today's prices.
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Aaron wrote:The next argument Frank will use as far as drilling is concerned (he's tried it at least twice) is that there is no guarantee that prices will come down with new drilling.
We both know that's what you said Frank. I just agreed with you. So what are you arguing about now?
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But you also said:
But that is not what I said.
I agree with you that it would certainly do royalty owners, for example, and workers in the oil /gas industry here a lot of good.
but if you listen to Frank, drilling is pointless because it will do no good.
But that is not what I said.
I agree with you that it would certainly do royalty owners, for example, and workers in the oil /gas industry here a lot of good.
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You can mince words If you want to Frank but the end result is the same. Whether you used those exact words or not, I took it from your post to me drilling here would be pointless because it would not result in lowering prices.
I personally think we should be doing AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to provide for our own energy needs and reduce foreign dependency by any means possible.
I personally think we should be doing AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to provide for our own energy needs and reduce foreign dependency by any means possible.
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Ziggy,
Do you disagree there will be some Americans going without heat for periods of time because they can't afford today's prices?
I don't think for a minute opening up ANWR or offshore drilling will solve the problems for the coming winter, or even the one after that. I'm certain it would keep prices lower than they will be if we don't drill in the future.
Do you disagree there will be some Americans going without heat for periods of time because they can't afford today's prices?
I don't think for a minute opening up ANWR or offshore drilling will solve the problems for the coming winter, or even the one after that. I'm certain it would keep prices lower than they will be if we don't drill in the future.
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SheikBen wrote:Incidentally, what's the interest with Clouseau/Peter Sellers?
Kato Kilohana, my manservant, was a RM cousin of Keli Kilohana.
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I personally think we should be doing AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to provide for our own energy needs and reduce foreign dependency by any means possible.
I might mostly agree with that if it means that we accordingly change our international diplomatic and military policies to a more sustainable live and let live demeanor. But if we're going to continue to be the policemen of the world anyway, then we may as well continue to buy oil on the world markets- saving our own oil for use when a more sane international relationships policy comes into being.
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First, we as a nation are not going to abandon Israel and that's what it would take because no matter what else we do, if we support Israel, then there are countries in the Middle East that will view us as an enemy and will do whatever they can to harm us, up to and including an economic attack by controlling oil pricing. The early 70's proved that.
And until we can pretty much say
to those who have us by the
we pretty much CAN'T change our policies and stop being policemen of the world. At least that's how I see it.
And until we can pretty much say
to those who have us by the
we pretty much CAN'T change our policies and stop being policemen of the world. At least that's how I see it.
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ziggy wrote:I personally think we should be doing AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE to provide for our own energy needs and reduce foreign dependency by any means possible.
I might mostly agree with that if it means that we accordingly change our international diplomatic and military policies to a more sustainable live and let live demeanor. But if we're going to continue to be the policemen of the world anyway, then we may as well continue to buy oil on the world markets- saving our own oil for use when a more sane international relationships policy comes into being.
Ziggy,
I really think you're looking at this backwards. We're not going to stop policing the world and interfering with other governments until we become energy independent. It is our dependency on foreign oil that keeps us in so many of these nations.
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Well Terri at least we can HOPE the skyrocketing Bush gas prices will CHANGE course and go back down.
Personally I think McCain has some pretty good ideas.
He is rock solid in his opposition to drilling in ANWR for i.e.
And he has figured a way to sidestep his opposition to offshore drilling by tossing it back to the states.
Who do you think opposes offshore drilling in Fl?
(Hint: who owns beachfront property in Fl.?)
McCain has really pulled a coup on that issue.
I dont know whose idea that was but whoever came up with it should get a raise.
Personally I think McCain has some pretty good ideas.
He is rock solid in his opposition to drilling in ANWR for i.e.
And he has figured a way to sidestep his opposition to offshore drilling by tossing it back to the states.
Who do you think opposes offshore drilling in Fl?
(Hint: who owns beachfront property in Fl.?)
McCain has really pulled a coup on that issue.
I dont know whose idea that was but whoever came up with it should get a raise.
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Alaskians want to drill ANWR Sherm. I can't tell from your post as you have contradicted yourself in the matter of one line. Do you agree they should be allowed to drill in their state?
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I have never made any post in favor of drilling Anwr.
That is not true.
That is not true.
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I didn't ask that. I ask if you favored allowing states to decide whether to drill in their state or not.
You should know that if given the choice, the majority of Alskans would drill, don't you Sherm?
So should states be allowed choose whether to drill in their state or not?
You should know that if given the choice, the majority of Alskans would drill, don't you Sherm?
So should states be allowed choose whether to drill in their state or not?
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