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You're anti coal Frank. We both know it.

Arch Coal proves it.

In the 2 years I've been online, you've NEVER said anything good about coal mining or coal companies.

I challeneged you at least 3 times to prove that coal companies put profits above all else.

You couldn't do it. All you could do is cry about how I took your words out of context.

Just like when you cry about the miseries of coal, when challeneged to discuss them, you can't.

You're all hat and no cowboy Frank.

BTW Frank, you do recall the former MTR site that was turned into a golf course! The one that when mentioned by Sam, you wailed on and ask if there was such a thing as reclaimation. That golf course resulted in a national reclaimation award for Arch Coal given out the US Dept of the Interior.



You claim that we need more Arch Coals, right Frank!!!

You do realize who the LARGEST MTR company in the state is, don't you Frank!!!!!!!!!!

ziggy wrote:
But since you don't know what the word predominant means, you blame me for your ignorance, and then misconstrue what I said into something I didn't say.

Predominant: Most common or conspicuous; main or prevalent: the predominant color in a design.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/predominant

It does not mean all or every.

You got that, Aaron?

I didn't think so. You are so helpless.

Aaron, why in the world is Ziggy trying to explain to you the meaning of the word "predominate"?

I mean like iffen he was going to "explain the meaning" of a word or words ...... then it ought to be a word or words that he used.

Words like are highlighted in the following:

ziggy wrote:
And in the coal company corporate culture, that culture is "making a profit" first, and "in a safe and legal manner" seems to mostly mean only if someone or other- usually a union or a government agency- forces you to be safe and legal.

Maybe Zig need to figure out the definition of the word "culture" that he used.

culture - the attitudes and behavior that are characteristic of a particular social group or organization

Now due to the FACT that there is one (1), .... and only one (1), ..... particular social group (coal companies) in WV, ...... then it is by default the "dominate one" ..... and therefore there is no "predominate one".

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You couldn't do it. All you could do is cry about how I took your words out of context.

That is not what I said. I said that you flat out lied. And you did.

OK. Since we agree that some coal companies are better than others, what can't more companies be like Arch and fewer like Massey?

ziggy wrote:

You couldn't do it. All you could do is cry about how I took your words out of context.

That is not what I said. I said that you flat out lied. And you did.

No Frank, I didn't lie about anything. Your words...

ziggy wrote:That depends on that particular corporate culture. And in the coal company corporate culture, that culture is "making a profit" first, and "in a safe and legal manner" seems to mostly mean only if someone or other- usually a union or a government agency- forces you to be safe and legal.

You didn't say "And in SOME of the coal companies..." or "And in MOST of the coal company..." or "And in the VAST MAJORITY of the coal companies..." you said, "And in the coal company corporate culture, that culture is making a profit first".

There is nothing in YOUR words Frank, you lying SOS, to indicate that what you said meant other then what I said your post meant; each and every coal company. Had you said most or some or put some sort of indicator that you didn't mean all, you might have an argument.

As you didn't, you have no argument.

YOUR WORDS FRANK, NOT MINE!!!!!

I called you on what you said. I pointed out YOUR words to you. And what did you do? Did you look back at what YOU said, realize YOU screwed up in what YOU said and own up to YOUR own words?

No, you didn't do that Frank. You whined for 2 days accusing me of lying, saying you didn't say what anyone with half a pea brain can clearly see you said. They're your words Frank, not mine so stop crying, be a man and own up to what you said. It's right there for any and all to see.

ziggy wrote:OK. Since we agree that some coal companies are better than others, what can't more companies be like Arch and fewer like Massey?

First, you've whined about the 'miseries' of coal for I don't know how long. You wouldn't even comment about a power plant in your own back yard that is one of the WORST emmiters in the US because of your whinning about the 'miseries' of coal.

You've whined about it so many times and I've ask you to eleborate and you never have.

So now it's time to either put up Frank, or STFU Frank.

Explain what these 'miseries' of coal are and then show that Massey is the worst offender. After you do that, and then show how the rest are 'more like Massey' and less like Arch.

Or you can keep whining and whining and whining.

Personally, I'll lay even money on the whining. It seems to be about the only thing your good at!!!

So once again Aaron, do you deny that putting profits before operating legally and safely is the predominant culture of coal companies in West Virginia?

Aaron wrote:

ziggy wrote:

You couldn't do it. All you could do is cry about how I took your words out of context.

That is not what I said. I said that you flat out lied. And you did.

No Frank, I didn't lie about anything. Your words...

ziggy wrote:That depends on that particular corporate culture. And in the coal company corporate culture, that culture is "making a profit" first, and "in a safe and legal manner" seems to mostly mean only if someone or other- usually a union or a government agency- forces you to be safe and legal.

You didn't say "And in SOME of the coal companies..." or "And in MOST of the coal company..." or "And in the VAST MAJORITY of the coal companies..." you said, "And in the coal company corporate culture, that culture is making a profit first".

There is nothing in YOUR words Frank, you lying SOS, to indicate that what you said meant other then what I said your post meant; each and every coal company. Had you said most or some or put some sort of indicator that you didn't mean all, you might have an argument.

As you didn't, you have no argument.

YOUR WORDS FRANK, NOT MINE!!!!!

I called you on what you said. I pointed out YOUR words to you. And what did you do? Did you look back at what YOU said, realize YOU screwed up in what YOU said and own up to YOUR own words?

No, you didn't do that Frank. You whined for 2 days accusing me of lying, saying you didn't say what anyone with half a pea brain can clearly see you said. They're your words Frank, not mine so stop crying, be a man and own up to what you said. It's right there for any and all to see.

ziggy wrote:OK. Since we agree that some coal companies are better than others, what can't more companies be like Arch and fewer like Massey?

First, you've whined about the 'miseries' of coal for I don't know how long. You wouldn't even comment about a power plant in your own back yard that is one of the WORST emmiters in the US because of your whinning about the 'miseries' of coal.

You've whined about it so many times and I've ask you to eleborate and you never have.

So now it's time to either put up Frank, or STFU Frank.

Explain what these 'miseries' of coal are and then show that Massey is the worst offender. After you do that, and then show how the rest are 'more like Massey' and less like Arch.

Or you can keep whining and whining and whining.

Personally, I'll lay even money on the whining. It seems to be about the only thing your good at!!!

Speaking of whining, the above rant is about the longest whine in the history of this forum or the Gazette's forum.

You can't deny your words and, once again, you've failed to address your hypothetical 'miseries' of coal.

I'm not suprised Frank.

Not in the least.

Aaron wrote:You can't deny your words and, once again, you've failed to address your hypothetical 'miseries' of coal.

It not like we haven't been over this stuff time and again, Aaron. We have discussed overweight coal trucks, we have discussed dust at Marsh Fork school and all over Sylvester, we have discussed the biggest coal sludge spill in mining history at Massey's Martin Co. Kentucky facility, we have discussed increased flooding downstream of MTR sites, we have discussed stream sedimentation, we have discussed solenium discharge levels exceeding state limits, we have discussed Massey's nearly 5000 self-reported NPDES permit violations and the associated $20 million in civl penalties. Those are some of the miseries of coal. And if you disagree, then we'll just have to disagree.

You can't deny your words

I am not denying my words. You are denying my words.

And in asking ourselves why you habitually do that, the answer to that is obvious by reading your long rant above. You have no regard for the generally accepted meanings and usage of words. The whole world is out of step with the Great Aaron.

By the way, I'm not about to STFU unless Stephanie tells me to. So shove it.

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:You can't deny your words and, once again, you've failed to address your hypothetical 'miseries' of coal.

It not like we haven't been over this stuff time and again, Aaron. We have discussed overweight coal trucks-briefly-the state could end it in a second, we have discussed dust at Marsh Fork school-No-you showed a picture that could have been anything from dust from several sources to mist-Sam proved that. and all over Sylvester-Sylvester has never been mentioned, we have discussed the biggest coal sludge spill in mining history at Massey's Martin Co. Kentucky facility-never been mentioned, we have discussed increased flooding downstream of MTR sites-no we haven't, we have discussed stream sedimentation,-not really unless you're talking about when you mentioned intermittent streams and had no proof we have discussed solenium discharge levels exceeding state limits-No, we haven't, we have discussed Massey's nearly 5000 self-reported NPDES permit violations-briefly-but if they were SELF REPORTED then how does Massey place profits before all else??? and the associated $20 million in civl penalties. Those are some of the miseries of coal. And if you disagree, then we'll just have to disagree.

Now do you want to discuss the advantages of coal.

Look around. It's everywhere you turn including RIGHT HERE...WV CUrrent Events Forum brought to you exclusively by COAL.

ziggy wrote:

You can't deny your words

I am not denying my words. You are denying my words.

And in asking ourselves why you habitually do that, the answer to that is obvious by reading your long rant above. You have no regard for the generally accepted meanings and usage of words. The whole world is out of step with the Great Aaron.

By the way, I'm not about to STFU unless Stephanie tells me to. So shove it.

You said what you said Frank and you know it so stop being an ass.

And you don't have to STFU. You were a good boy and complied with what I told you to do. You get a gold star Frankie. Good boy.