John McCain chooses female running mate. Liberals furious.

I think the liberals would be better off to focus on McCain-Palin and their political issues rather than on either his or her non-political persona. Like you, I do not understand the obsession with Palin the wife-mother-turned national politician.

It seems to me most of those yelling the loudest are the very people who have for so long have complained about the "glass ceiling" and gender equity etc. If it were Todd Palin instead of Sarah Palin nobody would be questioning his decision to run for that office. Trig is his baby too.

For so long these people have beaten their chests and raised their fists at such double standards. Yet here they are.

I don't like the fact that Governor Palin has authorized shooting wolves from airplanes. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about actual political issues, or decisions she has made as a governor or mayor. We could have a conversation about what she says she plans to do, what she and John McCain envision her role will be as VP. Let's leave her kids out of it.

I am not, of course, kidding. The media are playing "catch up." While cries of bloody murder are overstated, they are, out of necessity perhaps, spending a lot of time covering Palin and hunting desperately for ghosts. Troopergate may well give them their best shot, but if Palin plays it well, she can be even better for it being an issue. As long as the alledged creep did the drinking in the squad car and the tasering of his stepson, I don't see why he should be given a pass for committing adultery on Palin's sisterinlaw.

Mike, be serious, even CNN is being nice and singing her praises.

The TV and news media has been VERY kind to Palin. The internet has been less so.

Palin abused her powers as gov.

She didn't go after all troopers guilty of malfeasance, just the one that had "done her kin wrong".

How white trash of her.

And Steph, Palin is running on family values. Is it typical family values for a mother to leave her kids for days at a time, particularly one that is weeks old and special needs?

She put her and her family's values in the spotlight. Why should we leave her kids out of it? They are the fruit of her "tree of values".

Protect the country? She can't even protect her daughter from horny schoolmates.

Alas, Terry, parents cannot protect their teenage kids from themselves, let alone horny schoolmates. We can (and must) try our best, but in the end they make their own choices.

As for the white trash label, Terry, you live in a double-wide and I live in the sticks with my "Irish triples." Being too poor to afford professional roofing, a couple of carpenters from my church are coming over to save my family from the rain. We are White Trash, friend. We have seen "the enemy" and it is us:)

TerryRC wrote:I am not, of course, kidding. The media are playing "catch up." While cries of bloody murder are overstated, they are, out of necessity perhaps, spending a lot of time covering Palin and hunting desperately for ghosts. Troopergate may well give them their best shot, but if Palin plays it well, she can be even better for it being an issue. As long as the alledged creep did the drinking in the squad car and the tasering of his stepson, I don't see why he should be given a pass for committing adultery on Palin's sisterinlaw.

Mike, be serious, even CNN is being nice and singing her praises.

The TV and news media has been VERY kind to Palin. The internet has been less so.

Palin abused her powers as gov.

She didn't go after all troopers guilty of malfeasance, just the one that had "done her kin wrong".

How white trash of her.

And Steph, Palin is running on family values. Is it typical family values for a mother to leave her kids for days at a time, particularly one that is weeks old and special needs?

She put her and her family's values in the spotlight. Why should we leave her kids out of it? They are the fruit of her "tree of values".

Protect the country? She can't even protect her daughter from horny schoolmates.

This is the general consensus of the left, thus in one post, proving the double standard.

G.S.M.

Thanks Terry.

TerryRC wrote:I am not, of course, kidding. The media are playing "catch up." While cries of bloody murder are overstated, they are, out of necessity perhaps, spending a lot of time covering Palin and hunting desperately for ghosts. Troopergate may well give them their best shot, but if Palin plays it well, she can be even better for it being an issue. As long as the alledged creep did the drinking in the squad car and the tasering of his stepson, I don't see why he should be given a pass for committing adultery on Palin's sisterinlaw.

Mike, be serious, even CNN is being nice and singing her praises.

The TV and news media has been VERY kind to Palin. The internet has been less so.

Palin abused her powers as gov.

She didn't go after all troopers guilty of malfeasance, just the one that had "done her kin wrong".

How white trash of her.

And Steph, Palin is running on family values. Is it typical family values for a mother to leave her kids for days at a time, particularly one that is weeks old and special needs?

She put her and her family's values in the spotlight. Why should we leave her kids out of it? They are the fruit of her "tree of values".

Protect the country? She can't even protect her daughter from horny schoolmates.

Terry,

There's that hypocrisy again. Sarah Palin is a bad mom for leaving her kids. You would never make that comment about a man. Is Barack Obama a bad dad for leaving his young girls to campaign for the White House these past 18 months? How about Joe Biden? Is he a bad father because immediately following the death of his wife he took the oath of office and joined the US Senate?

Forget about politics, what about mothers working 80+ hours a week in hospitals across the country as part of their medical training? How about all those moms and dads in the military? Are they bad parents because they chose a career in the military, or took a gamble on the 1 weekend a month, and instead of being home to tuck their kids in at night are in Iraq looking for roadside bombs?

If Sarah Palin were a pro-abortion liberal you wouldn't have a problem with her. Nobody gives a hoot about who has been tucking in the Obama children at night while their parents have been campaigning for the past 18+ months. Sarah Palin will campaign for 6 weeks. If McCain/Palin lose, she'll go back to being the governor of Alaska. If they win, her family will move to Washington.

If Sarah Palin had a doctor murder her unborn child you would say it's her body and she was well within her rights to do whatever she pleases. Instead she gives birth and all the child's needs are being met. He is obviously loved and cared for but because she continues to have a life of her own, and a career outside of motherhood, she's a scoundrel.

Whatever.

As for the white trash label, Terry, you live in a double-wide and I live in the sticks with my "Irish triples." Being too poor to afford professional roofing, a couple of carpenters from my church are coming over to save my family from the rain. We are White Trash, friend. We have seen "the enemy" and it is us:)

I didn't use my powers as Gov. to mount a campaign of harassment against someone, Mike. Did she even pay attention to other troopers accused of malfeasance? Nope. Just the one that messed with her kin.

For pity's sake, we haven't even heard his side of things.

I live in a single-wide. It is filled with books, however. Do many of the white trash read Proust?

This is the general consensus of the left, thus in one post, proving the double standard.

G.S.M.

Thanks Terry.

Where is the double standard in my post, Aaron?

Either my wife or I stayed home with my kids. Still do. I DO walk it like I talk it.

This woman is running on family values. I have yet to see any from her.

If Sarah Palin were a pro-abortion liberal you wouldn't have a problem with her. Nobody gives a hoot about who has been tucking in the Obama children at night while their parents have been campaigning for the past 18+ months. Sarah Palin will campaign for 6 weeks. If McCain/Palin lose, she'll go back to being the governor of Alaska. If they win, her family will move to Washington.

If Sarah Palin had a doctor murder her unborn child you would say it's her body and she was well within her rights to do whatever she pleases. Instead she gives birth and all the child's needs are being met. He is obviously loved and cared for but because she continues to have a life of her own, and a career outside of motherhood, she's a scoundrel.

Quite a rant, Steph.

What about those mothers that work? Where have you seen me support them? As a matter of fact, you have seen me speak out about the fact that parents are not spending enough time with their kids.

I'm not an Obama apologist. Since you accuse me though... I don't think he has kids still in diapers and needing a bottle. Is his wife home with the kids? Is he spotlighting his "traditional family values"? Not that I really care.

You are not attacking my arguments, you are just ranting at me and are even wrong about my stance.

Having a child at 44, knowing the risks, is foolish for ANY woman to do, particularly if she has family that needs her.

She doesn't have to deal with it, for now, at least. Can't run for VP with a trisomy tucked under your arm.

Is her oilman husband staying home with the small kids? I highly doubt it. That WOULD be news.

Hey, as long as their "needs are being met". Who cares if it is being done by nannies? I don't. Just don't call it "family values". "Hockey moms" are there to pick their kids up from practice every day. My "leftist" wife and I have family values superior to that.

There! Now you should have enough info to ACCURATELY rant at me, at least.

I don't know if her husband is still home but he did take a year off when she was elected governor to ensure the needs of children were met. Like it or not, how her family is raised should not be part of the conversation yet the VERY liberal media has chosen to do just that when they've ask questions of her that they've not ask of anyone else and it's just flat out wrong. The thing is though, the more the media acts as an agent for Obama, the more the American people see it and in the end, they're going to do more harm then good.

TerryRC wrote:As for the white trash label, Terry, you live in a double-wide and I live in the sticks with my "Irish triples." Being too poor to afford professional roofing, a couple of carpenters from my church are coming over to save my family from the rain. We are White Trash, friend. We have seen "the enemy" and it is us:)

I didn't use my powers as Gov. to mount a campaign of harassment against someone, Mike. Did she even pay attention to other troopers accused of malfeasance? Nope. Just the one that messed with her kin.

For pity's sake, we haven't even heard his side of things.

I live in a single-wide. It is filled with books, however. Do many of the white trash read Proust?

This is the general consensus of the left, thus in one post, proving the double standard.

G.S.M.

Thanks Terry.

Where is the double standard in my post, Aaron?

Either my wife or I stayed home with my kids. Still do. I DO walk it like I talk it.

This woman is running on family values. I have yet to see any from her.

If Sarah Palin were a pro-abortion liberal you wouldn't have a problem with her. Nobody gives a hoot about who has been tucking in the Obama children at night while their parents have been campaigning for the past 18+ months. Sarah Palin will campaign for 6 weeks. If McCain/Palin lose, she'll go back to being the governor of Alaska. If they win, her family will move to Washington.

If Sarah Palin had a doctor murder her unborn child you would say it's her body and she was well within her rights to do whatever she pleases. Instead she gives birth and all the child's needs are being met. He is obviously loved and cared for but because she continues to have a life of her own, and a career outside of motherhood, she's a scoundrel.

Quite a rant, Steph.

What about those mothers that work? Where have you seen me support them? As a matter of fact, you have seen me speak out about the fact that parents are not spending enough time with their kids.

I'm not an Obama apologist. Since you accuse me though... I don't think he has kids still in diapers and needing a bottle. Is his wife home with the kids? Is he spotlighting his "traditional family values"? Not that I really care.

You are not attacking my arguments, you are just ranting at me and are even wrong about my stance.

Having a child at 44, knowing the risks, is foolish for ANY woman to do, particularly if she has family that needs her.

She doesn't have to deal with it, for now, at least. Can't run for VP with a trisomy tucked under your arm.

Is her oilman husband staying home with the small kids? I highly doubt it. That WOULD be news.

Hey, as long as their "needs are being met". Who cares if it is being done by nannies? I don't. Just don't call it "family values". "Hockey moms" are there to pick their kids up from practice every day. My "leftist" wife and I have family values superior to that.

There! Now you should have enough info to ACCURATELY rant at me, at least.

I simply can't even get over your glaring contempt for this woman, and it is crystal clear it can be traced back to her "decision" to carry a less than perfect baby to term. You can't even refer to Trig as what he is, a baby, instead now calling him a "trisomy".

Todd Palin has taken another leave of absence from his job. We have no idea what their plans are should Palin become our VP. I see nothing wrong with a father being the primary caregiver if that's what works best for a family.

The Palins have, and continue to demonstrate "family values" and the left keeps attacking them for it. Sarah Palin brings Trig to work with her and breastfeeds him, just as she did with his older sister. She and her husband have rallied around their unwed teenage daughter. They haven't turned their backs on her, they don't belittle her, they didn't send her off to give birth somewhere else and they didn't rush her off to an abortion doctor.

As far as Palin and the trooper......she has released documents backing up her assertion she fired the PSC for insubordination and budget problems. She had knowledge of crimes committed by her former brother-in-law. Should she have turned a blind eye towards them? How many other troopers accused of crimes does she actually have information about?

The truth of the matter is Sarah Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Michelle Obama can campaign for 18 months on behalf of her husband, nobody says word one about her children. Joe Biden joins the Senate a heartbeat after burying the mother of his children.....it's OK he took the train home each night. Hillary Clinton spent Chelsea's entire youth campaigning for the Governor's Office and then the Presidency, while her husband redefined the word "is", telling us all it takes a village to raise a child because she depended on a state and then a nation to feed, shelter, clothe, and educate her daughter while she spent her child's entire life striving for power and wealth.

The Palins have, and continue to demonstrate "family values" and the left keeps attacking them for it. Sarah Palin brings Trig to work with her and breastfeeds him, just as she did with his older sister. She and her husband have rallied around their unwed teenage daughter. They haven't turned their backs on her, they don't belittle her, they didn't send her off to give birth somewhere else and they didn't rush her off to an abortion doctor.

Palin threw her out of the house for a little while, according to many accounts.

Regardless, remember Ferraro?

Remember how the GOP did her? Yet here they are crying over the much milder attacks on Palin.

Well boo hoo.

The truth of the matter is Sarah Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Michelle Obama can campaign for 18 months on behalf of her husband, nobody says word one about her children. Joe Biden joins the Senate a heartbeat after burying the mother of his children.....it's OK he took the train home each night. Hillary Clinton spent Chelsea's entire youth campaigning for the Governor's Office and then the Presidency, while her husband redefined the word "is", telling us all it takes a village to raise a child because she depended on a state and then a nation to feed, shelter, clothe, and educate her daughter while she spent her child's entire life striving for power and wealth.

Where have you seen me support Clinton or ANY OTHER WOMAN that leaves her young kids with someone else for much of the time? That line of argument doesn't apply to me.

As for "troopergate", it is obvious she abused her power.

How about the "bridge to nowhere" that she was for until it became a big public issue, then she was against? She still took the money, however.

On top of that, this woman is crazy. She has crazy religious beliefs. To her, speaking in tongues is "sacred" and that war in Israel is going to hasten the "end times". If she wants to believe that, fine. I don't ant her in a position to be making decisions that affect the course of this country, however.

There are plenty of reasons beyond the above to not want her "next in line".

As far as her family values go, I stand by what I said. It will be had for her to be a proper mom to small kids and be VP. Where were they while she was stumping with McCain over the past few days?

If she portrays herself as a "hockey mom" are we not to wonder why she isn't watching the practices?

If her husband has taken a leave of absence, good for him. I don't think he'll be breast feeding though.

Wasn't it a statement on this board from a poster on the right that "human motherhood" was a higher calling?

TerryRC wrote:The Palins have, and continue to demonstrate "family values" and the left keeps attacking them for it. Sarah Palin brings Trig to work with her and breastfeeds him, just as she did with his older sister. She and her husband have rallied around their unwed teenage daughter. They haven't turned their backs on her, they don't belittle her, they didn't send her off to give birth somewhere else and they didn't rush her off to an abortion doctor.

Palin threw her out of the house for a little while, according to many accounts.

Regardless, remember Ferraro?

Remember how the GOP did her? Yet here they are crying over the much milder attacks on Palin.

Well boo hoo.

The truth of the matter is Sarah Palin is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. Michelle Obama can campaign for 18 months on behalf of her husband, nobody says word one about her children. Joe Biden joins the Senate a heartbeat after burying the mother of his children.....it's OK he took the train home each night. Hillary Clinton spent Chelsea's entire youth campaigning for the Governor's Office and then the Presidency, while her husband redefined the word "is", telling us all it takes a village to raise a child because she depended on a state and then a nation to feed, shelter, clothe, and educate her daughter while she spent her child's entire life striving for power and wealth.

Where have you seen me support Clinton or ANY OTHER WOMAN that leaves her young kids with someone else for much of the time? That line of argument doesn't apply to me.

As for "troopergate", it is obvious she abused her power.

How about the "bridge to nowhere" that she was for until it became a big public issue, then she was against? She still took the money, however.

On top of that, this woman is crazy. She has crazy religious beliefs. To her, speaking in tongues is "sacred" and that war in Israel is going to hasten the "end times". If she wants to believe that, fine. I don't ant her in a position to be making decisions that affect the course of this country, however.

There are plenty of reasons beyond the above to not want her "next in line".

As far as her family values go, I stand by what I said. It will be had for her to be a proper mom to small kids and be VP. Where were they while she was stumping with McCain over the past few days?

If she portrays herself as a "hockey mom" are we not to wonder why she isn't watching the practices?

If her husband has taken a leave of absence, good for him. I don't think he'll be breast feeding though.

Wasn't it a statement on this board from a poster on the right that "human motherhood" was a higher calling?

Terry,

You're stooping to gossip now. "According to some accounts"? You're grasping at straws there, my friend.

I said, before John McCain announced his selection of Sarah Palin as his runningmate, back when Mike and Aaron and some of the others were trying to read tea leaves, I thought that Palin was McCain's best choice but if she were wise she would turn him down.

In 1996 I took complete leave of my senses and ran for a slot on my local school committee. Katie was my youngest and only 5 years old. It was a huge mistake. My tenure on the school committee, I know benefitted many other children. I really did accomplish a few good things that helped a lot of other families. However, it didn't take me too long to realize that in the process my children were being hurt. I still had to work because the stipend of $1200 I received annually didn't cover the cost of sitters and gas and tickets to award banquets etc I had to attend.

Still I say Palin is being unfairly attacked. Barack Obama has young children who need their parents too. Nobody talks about his little girls and how they have been forced to live without their father most of the time, and their mother much of the time. Yes, I do believe that motherhood is the most important role any person ever plays, however, fatherhood is an extremely close second. Once a child is born he or she needs both parents involved to have the best possible start in life.

I don't know the intimate details of the day to day lives of the Palin family. I do sort of think that, at least for the time being, Sarah Palin's days as a hockey mom are over. Track, I think is the eldest boy, he is an adult and has been shipped overseas with his Army unit. I suppose it is possible her girls play hockey, but very doubtful. If Trig actually has the ability to play hockey, it will be several years before he is old enough. I don't think there are likely to be too many hockey practices or games that Sarah Palin would miss in the coming 8 years.

You ask where the Palin children have been while she has been "stumping for McCain" the past few days....but where is your concern over where the Obama children have been while their parents have been out on the campaign trail for the better part of 2 years?

I won't vote for McCain/Palin. I don't vote for Zionists and I don't vote for those committed to continue our current foreign policy of choosing sides and bombing and displacing and interferring with the operations of other sovereign nations and empire building and the rest of it. Go on, attack Sarah Palin on that front, it's a legitimate complaint.

If you don't like her position on abortion or healthcare or drilling in ANWR, have a field day. Those are legitimate complaints. Attacking her abilities as a mother, or the choices she and her husband have made for their family, that is just ridiculous.

btw...

I notice you still don't comment on Joe Biden leaving his motherless kiddos to join the Senate.

And for the record, I think most religious beliefs are a little nutty. It's all a matter of degrees. The Assembly of God church is mild in comparison to some of the whackos about.

You ask where the Palin children have been while she has been "stumping for McCain" the past few days....but where is your concern over where the Obama children have been while their parents have been out on the campaign trail for the better part of 2 years?

Like I said, I'm not an Obama apologist. None of his kids are in diapers and breastfeeding, though.

Also, like I said, Obama isn't running on "family values". Palin IS running on "family values".

No response to GOP hypocrisy, RE: Ferraro?

Biden didn't have small kids at the time of his wife's death, did he?

Don't you have an answer besides "but, but... the dems"?

How about the fact that Palin isn't doing the job she was elected for? You can't even get Alaska's governor speak for herself, directly to Alaskans, about her actions as Alaska's governor? Everything comes through the McCain campaign.

Palin is poison. She can't have much experience with international affairs - she doesn't even have a passport.

TerryRC wrote:You ask where the Palin children have been while she has been "stumping for McCain" the past few days....but where is your concern over where the Obama children have been while their parents have been out on the campaign trail for the better part of 2 years?

Like I said, I'm not an Obama apologist. None of his kids are in diapers and breastfeeding, though.

Also, like I said, Obama isn't running on "family values". Palin IS running on "family values".

No response to GOP hypocrisy, RE: Ferraro?

Biden didn't have small kids at the time of his wife's death, did he?

Don't you have an answer besides "but, but... the dems"?

How about the fact that Palin isn't doing the job she was elected for? You can't even get Alaska's governor speak for herself, directly to Alaskans, about her actions as Alaska's governor? Everything comes through the McCain campaign.

Palin is poison. She can't have much experience with international affairs - she doesn't even have a passport.

Terry,

I was pretty young when Ferraro was Mondale's running mate. At that time I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to presidential politics and have no memory of what the GOP and/or the media may have "done" to her. That's the honest truth.

I'm not asking about just the Democrats. I'm asking about the other candidates. The fact that the Obama children are no longer in diapers doesn't mean they no longer need their parents. Those girls are very young. Joe Biden, I believe, had at least one child in nursery school when he took the oath of office. As I said before, their mother and baby sister JUST died. If ever there is a time when minor children, regardless of age, need their father, it is in the aftermath of such a horrific family tragedy.

No, instead what I'm asking you is why you insist on criticizing Sarah Palin's choices regarding her family and her career. I have never heard you cast such aspersions towards any father with children seeking office and/or hungry for power.

It seems extremely hypocritical to me that you so vigorously defend a pregnant woman's right to do with her unborn child whatever she likes, including having that child murdered in the last trimester. Yet once a woman gives birth, you demand that same woman live as an indentured servant for the better part of two decades. You place no such requirements on fathers.

TerryRC wrote:
Palin is poison. She can't have much experience with international affairs - she doesn't even have a passport.

This was long before you was considered a candidate for the VP mind you.

My favorite one is the one in red.

HOT!!!!!

But how did she get here without a passport???

Easy. On a military transport to a military base.

No passport needed.

Vote for them based upon her looks, Aaron.

McCain lost my vote by using "Caribou Barbie" as a gimmick.

I was pretty young when Ferraro was Mondale's running mate. At that time I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to presidential politics and have no memory of what the GOP and/or the media may have "done" to her. That's the honest truth.

Just because you don't remember it doesn't make it a non-issue. GOP hypocrisy.

I'm not asking about just the Democrats. I'm asking about the other candidates. The fact that the Obama children are no longer in diapers doesn't mean they no longer need their parents. Those girls are very young. Joe Biden, I believe, had at least one child in nursery school when he took the oath of office. As I said before, their mother and baby sister JUST died. If ever there is a time when minor children, regardless of age, need their father, it is in the aftermath of such a horrific family tragedy.

Did Biden do that? Well, he shouldn't have.

As far as I know, Obama's wife was a homemaker.

You evade the point that they ARE NOT RUNNING ON "FAMILY VALUES".

It seems extremely hypocritical to me that you so vigorously defend a pregnant woman's right to do with her unborn child whatever she likes, including having that child murdered in the last trimester. Yet once a woman gives birth, you demand that same woman live as an indentured servant for the better part of two decades. You place no such requirements on fathers.

I don't know why I'm even responding to this rant, but...

Somebody in the family has to work, don't they, Steph? I don't care if it is the husband or the wife.

Is Mr. Palin home with the kids? Right now, it is hard to tell. The state can't seem to find him to serve him with a subpoena.

I'm for late-term abortions, as I stated to Mike, if the mother's life is at risk, it should be legal.

If you go through with the pregnancy, you shouldn't let others raise your offspring.

How is that "hypocritical", except in your own mind?

Terry,

On one level I think you are right. An ideal situation would have people running for national office without young children.

However, life is not ideal. Sometimes work comes at the expense of families; the question is to what extent and whether it is worth it. I think in Palin's case, it is worth it.

TerryRC wrote:Easy. On a military transport to a military base.

No passport needed.

Vote for them based upon her looks, Aaron.

McCain lost my vote by using "Caribou Barbie" as a gimmick.

Sorry Terry, the only way you get on a military plane to go to another country without a passport is if you have a military ID. Governor's aren't issued military ID's.

Care to try again?

And I didn't say anything about voting for her at all. I merely pointed out that she was HOT. I understand if you prefer to look at Biden. That's your perogative. Wrinkly old men don't do it for me but to each their own I've always said.

Sorry Terry, the only way you get on a military plane to go to another country without a passport is if you have a military ID. Governor's aren't issued military ID's.

There are ways, I'll bet - perhaps diplomatic papers that allow it, for one.

How about USO?

If she is on a military flight with John McCain, who is going to check her passport?

Regardless, she may have one now, Aaron. She didn't have one six months ago. It was fun listening her and her "international expertise" when Gibson interviewed her.

Like I said, she is a gimmick. A transparent one, at that.

And I didn't say anything about voting for her at all. I merely pointed out that she was HOT. I understand if you prefer to look at Biden. That's your prerogative. Wrinkly old men don't do it for me but to each their own I've always said.

There is no evidence that wrinkly old men DON'T make you hot, Aaron. By feeling you have to publicly deny that old men make you hot, it makes you look suspect. Until we find that evidence, we'll never be sure.

Look at me, I'm just like Karl Rove!

She had a passport BEFORE she went to Kuwait to visit Alaskian troops long BEFORE she was a VP candidate.

Your contempt for her is very common from liberals such as yourslef and is the result of the fear Palin has instituted in liberals.

You're continued outrage against her is merely proof of that fear.

TerryRC wrote:I was pretty young when Ferraro was Mondale's running mate. At that time I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to presidential politics and have no memory of what the GOP and/or the media may have "done" to her. That's the honest truth.

Just because you don't remember it doesn't make it a non-issue. GOP hypocrisy.

I'm not asking about just the Democrats. I'm asking about the other candidates. The fact that the Obama children are no longer in diapers doesn't mean they no longer need their parents. Those girls are very young. Joe Biden, I believe, had at least one child in nursery school when he took the oath of office. As I said before, their mother and baby sister JUST died. If ever there is a time when minor children, regardless of age, need their father, it is in the aftermath of such a horrific family tragedy.

Did Biden do that? Well, he shouldn't have.

As far as I know, Obama's wife was a homemaker.

You evade the point that they ARE NOT RUNNING ON "FAMILY VALUES".

It seems extremely hypocritical to me that you so vigorously defend a pregnant woman's right to do with her unborn child whatever she likes, including having that child murdered in the last trimester. Yet once a woman gives birth, you demand that same woman live as an indentured servant for the better part of two decades. You place no such requirements on fathers.

I don't know why I'm even responding to this rant, but...

Somebody in the family has to work, don't they, Steph? I don't care if it is the husband or the wife.

Is Mr. Palin home with the kids? Right now, it is hard to tell. The state can't seem to find him to serve him with a subpoena.

I'm for late-term abortions, as I stated to Mike, if the mother's life is at risk, it should be legal.

If you go through with the pregnancy, you shouldn't let others raise your offspring.

How is that "hypocritical", except in your own mind?

Holy cow, Terry. How long ago was Ferraro a Veep candidate? I think it's fair to say a pretty decent percentage of those who did whatever they did to her are in long term care facilities or dead. I remember it......Mondale....had to be 1984. That's more than a generation ago. That's 24 years worth of change in the GOP. You can't blame the GOP of today for bad tactics of two and a half decades ago. Most of us weren't involved.

Obama's wife is not a homemaker. I'm pretty sure she is a hospital adminstrator. She is no June Cleaver.

Todd Palin took a leave of absence from his job.

It annoys me to no end that Hillary Clinton can ride her husband's coattails from Little Rock, Arkansas directly to a US Senate seat representing the state of New York, having never held public office herself, and be considered "qualified" to be the leader of this nation, yet a conservative woman with credentials and experience all her own his dismissed as a "gimmick".

Furthermore, Barrack Obama has a whopping total of 44 months in the US Senate, half of which he's spent campaigning for the Oval Office. He has zero experience as a cheif executive, zero experience commanding any kind military unit, and was member of a church with a whacked out racist leader he considered a father figure for many years, but he's more qualified to be President than Sarah Palin is Vice President?

Like I said, whatever.

You don't like Sarah Palin's political views, the platform she's running on? Guess what, I don't like a lot of it either. I don't like the beating of the drums of war and the grandstanding with the loon from Iran. I don't approve of the arial shooting of wolves so hunters have more moose to kill.

I just don't condone sexism. I am really more than a little surprised that of all the members of this forum it is you choosing this path of attack. Honestly, I never once considered you to be chauvinist. Just goes to show how wrong I can sometimes be.

Well Just like Aaron says that McCain's lack of economic expertise should be no impediment (he has advisors to handle that stuff), it does not matter that Palin and her husband are not widely travelled.

They can learn all the major countries and continents in short order.

Just remember President Bush had also not done much international travel, and could not even name important foreign leaders.

And he has done just fine don't you agree.?

And just remember also we have not had any terrorist attacks too.
(well except for that 9-11 thing...)

And if Clinton had done his job, we wouldn't have had that 9/11 thingy either, right Sherm!

Sod,

Presidents have advisers for reasons. I care that a Presidential candidate has the ability to surround him/herself with people who know answers to obscure and the not so obscure questions.

Laying 9/11 at his feet is ridiculous. Do you mean to somehow imply that these terrorists were just waiting for that Clinton to leave office so they could exploit the weaknesses of a Bush administration?

We got relaxed, pure and simple. For awhile our nation's policies and practices have been ridiculous but the days of reckoning come at different times. We let anyone into the country (and that very easily) and then we found that this included those who wanted to kill us. We then let anyone have a mortgage for far more than double or triple a year's salary and then we found that they could not pay those mortgages.

Find those guilty of implementing those policies and perhaps we find our culprit. As for 9/11, you'll have to show me how Bush policies made the terrorists one iota more likely to strike than had Al Gore been the President.

lol Mike I was just poking those lockstep republicans who get on their self righteous hi-horse and proclaim that, because of Bush, we have not had another major terrorist attack.

(glossing over the fact that 9-11 happened on his watch).

But you do realize and acknowledge they had several warnings which they ignored don't you?

Sod,

The warnings had existed from the 1990s, during the Clinton administration. That there were people in Afghanistan, sheltered by the Taliban, who wanted to harm the United States was common knowledge to people in government as well as graduate schools. I got such information in an email while a graduate student at Illinois State. Hardly "priviledged information"

But I'm not interested in blaming any one group for this or any other problem that the US faces. I should like to hear how they intend to fix the problems that we face. I'm disappointed in many of Bush's methods in preventing attacks but cannot fault him for the results thus far. I should like to hear from McCain and Obama what they think will help the economic crisis. I am not impressed by them blaming others, but I am rather looking for how they think we should go about improving matters.