Change you can believe in, My Butt

I just got my taxes done. We paided enough again this year to send our son throught a year of college. That includes all expenses including room and board. Our daughter is working on her masters we could have helped her also.

But Noooooooo, The lefties had to feel all warm and fuzzy inside, so, the income my wife and I have worked for was extorted by the bimbo's in Washington for the likes of the Wall Street Crowd, the automakes and the UAW, the Welfare mommies, and camel jockeys in Gaza, whom I now understand we are going to pay to rebuild.

On the state level it wasn't any better either. I could have replaced my ol' truck this year, but instead I get to pay for such items as an addition to a theatre here in town with my tax dollars, thanks to "Daddy Taxbucks" politician. It also burns me up that some Latino with the morals of an alley cat can breed like a rabbit and get free healthcare, thanks to me and our scum legislature and yet this very evening I pay full price for a doctor's visit for my wife.

Sickening.

Cato

I just got my taxes done. We paided enough again this year to send our son throught a year of college.

Well Cato, maybe you should thank your god that you and your wife have an income sufficient to put you in such a tax bracket.

You would be the envy of most West Virginians- if they but knew your financial status.

But somehow I don't think that people working a minimum wage job- nor even two minimum wage jobs, feel your pain.

Why is that person working a mininum wage job? Or even two mininum wage jobs?

If that person wants to better themselves, they can easily do so. That 40+% of taxes that Cato is paying and that I also pay will get them all the money they need to further their education whether it be a 4 year college, a community college, a junior college, a technical college or school or some other kind of training.

That person is elegible for full tuition PLUS money on top of that, as much as $3,200.00 per semester. If they have kids then they are also eligible for housing, a monthly check, food stamps, health care and child care.

You're right, that person working a mininum wage job doesn't feel his pain because they don't care and in most cases, they simply don't want to better themselves.

Worst case sceniaro, they get a mininum wage job at McDonalds, show up for work EVERY day, on time willing to learn. That alone will increase their pay above mininum wage. If they're willing to learn, then they can get into management and in less time then it takes to complete a college education, they can be a store manager making a good living.

But neither Cato, myself or anyone else should have to feed the people who are unwilling to seek out the vast opportunties this country affords them but thanks to the left, we are forced to daily with OUR hard earned dollars.

Your dog ain't hunting in these woods Ziggy.

Why is that person working a mininum wage job? Or even two mininum wage jobs?

If that person wants to better themselves, they can easily do so.

You have obviously never been stuck in a minimum wage job.

You're right, that person working a mininum wage job doesn't feel his pain because they don't care and in most cases, they simply don't want to better themselves.

That's more evidence that you have never been stuck in a minimum wage job.

Worst case sceniaro, they get a mininum wage job at McDonalds, show up for work EVERY day, on time willing to learn. That alone will increase their pay above mininum wage. If they're willing to learn, then they can get into management and in less time then it takes to complete a college education, they can be a store manager making a good living.

You suggestion that every burger flipper or fast food cashier "can be a store manager making a good living" defies simple mathematics as well as the common, inherent practices of corporatism. The system demands that for every "store manager making a good living" that there be some dozen(s) or so low wage workers who actually do the laborous work.

I've forgotten more about living in poverty, working mininum wage jobs and scraping by then you've ever know Ziggy. You don't have a clue.

The bottom line is, if a person wants to better themselves, there is no better place then this country which provides so much free stuff to the poor at taxpayer's expense. If you think otherwise then you're not an intelligent person.

The bottom line is, if a person wants to better themselves, ......................................

You keep focusing on a single "person". What about all the people?

........................... there is no better place then this country which provides so much free stuff to the poor at taxpayer's expense.

And that is why we continue to need government help for the poor. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

You keep forgetting, single people are solely responsible for their own actions. The reason so many remain poor is a direct result of their actions. If they would take PERSONAL responsibility, we wouldn't need government programs providing cradle to grave care and a mentality that is destroying this country.

As for taking care of the poor, there is NO constitutional foundation for doing such. You have NO right to take my hard earned money for that use. NONE.

And you still don't know what the hell your talking about.

ziggy wrote:
Well Cato, maybe you should thank your god that you and your wife have an income sufficient to put you in such a tax bracket.

You would be the envy of most West Virginians- if they but knew your financial status.

But somehow I don't think that people working a minimum wage job- nor even two minimum wage jobs, feel your pain.

Ziggy, I started in a minimum wage job years ago and I worked four different jobs at the same time to get myself through school, all of them minimum wage. I have been layed off and had to start over. The job I have today, which I got during the stagflation years of Carter, I began at by cutting brush at minimum wage. The key is you practice a few things, like improving your skill level, having a good work ethic, and being willing to move to another job if you have to.

Just so you know, my wife and I have worked hard for everything we have. We've played by the rules. When people were buying 200,000 dollar homes, we paided under $40,000 for ours. When it was generally accepted to have a hugh amount of debt, we kept our debt load including the house at less than our combined salaries. When people were using 50% percent and above of their take home pay for debt service, we stayed under 20%. We haven't depended on the government for a handout. Frankly it burns me up when people like you come whining that I should be thankful I have a job and how badly others have it.

Both my wife and I've been down that road also. The fact of the matter is it is just as David Ramsey said this morning on ABC Good Morning America. You can sit on your butt and whine and never get anywhere or you can get off your butt and improve your situation. Obvisouly, like most of the left, you can't see past the first option and instead choose to sit on your butt and whine. The one thing that really pees me off is that people like you avocate the government taking a sizable portion of our salary to give to people who are aren't willing to help themselves. You do so, just so you can feel all good and cuddly inside.

Well I hate to keep reminding you guys but fact is most people on "welfare" are children.

Too young to work unless we change labor laws.

Cato your blatant racism does not become you.

Also I doubt anyone on here pays over 25% in federal income tax.

And am almost certain you dont pay over 28%.

Probably dont even get into the 28% marginal rate.

http://taxes.about.com/od/2008taxes/qt/2008_tax_rates.htm

More like 10% of gross income.

sodbuster wrote:Well I hate to keep reminding you guys but fact is most people on "welfare" are children.

Too young to work unless we change labor laws.

Cato your blatant racism does not become you.

Racism, is that what you call wanting to keep what you work for?

sodbuster wrote:Also I doubt anyone on here pays over 25% in federal income tax.

And am almost certain you dont pay over 28%.

Probably dont even get into the 28% marginal rate.

http://taxes.about.com/od/2008taxes/qt/2008_tax_rates.htm

More like 10% of gross income.

Be it 20% or 10% of 1% what gives the politicans the right to take what I have earned and give it to another, be they a Wall Street CEO, some foreign government that just as soon see me dead, or Welfare baby factory?

sodbuster wrote:Well I hate to keep reminding you guys but fact is most people on "welfare" are children.

Too young to work unless we change labor laws.

Cato your blatant racism does not become you.

Then mommy and daddy ought to lay off the beer, potato chips, and football, get off the welfare butts and put forth the effort to support their kids.

He can estimate your tax rate and demean you for it. His party nominated no fewer than five candidates who had not paid their taxes. Paying taxes is for suckers like you - not the elite in the government.

You're wrong on welfare mommies and daddies Cato.

It's only welfare mommies because the deadbeat daddies ain't around and Sodbuster's government doesn't do an adequate job of making them care for their kids. They let them off pretty much never pay for the children they fathered.

Nor do the punish the welfare mommy, many whom have multiple children with multiple fathers, some of actually know who the father is.

If a parent can't take care of a child and refuses to work, then that is neglect in my book and the child should be removed from the home. I would much rather see them in a state ran orphanage then giving the money to the deadbeat parent.

Your compassion is noble Sodbuster. I applaud you for wanting to take care of the downtrodden. I am sure you will be rewarded some day for your actions.

But you are WRONG in thinking our government is obligated to do what you believe should be done using my tax dollars, whether I'm in the 10% bracket or the 28% bracket. I have cared for my children. It is not my responsibility in any way whatsoever to care for someone else’s, no matter the circumstances.

There is NO constitutional foundation for doing so. Taxes are not charity and shouldn't be used as such.

Well OC you have insinuated several times that I dont pay income tax.

I dont know how much who pays, but I doubt many on here pay more than my wife and I pay.

I am not whining about how much I pay.

I am only whining because you are trying to perpetuate a myth that I dont pay my share.

I posted the tax rates before merely to back up my point.

Well OC you have insinuated several times that I dont pay income tax.

None that I can recall. In fact, you seem proud of the fact you pay your taxes and seem to think that equals your charitable contributions. I have often reminded you that paying taxes is not the same as contributing to charity. I was reponding to this:

Also I doubt anyone on here pays over 25% in federal income tax.

And am almost certain you dont pay over 28%.

Probably dont even get into the 28% marginal rate.

http://taxes.about.com/od/2008taxes/qt/2008_tax_rates.htm

More like 10% of gross income.

I’m not sure where you were going with that. It was wrong of me to tie you to an administration that has nominated five people for high office who have failed to pay some level of tax indebtedness. I accept your statement that you have paid your taxes at face value and have never doubted it for a moment.

I would remind you that Obama’s stated intent to reduce the tax deduction for charitable contributions will have a chilling effect on charitable contributions. I find it odd that the folks you insist do a better job of governing would have a deleterious effect on charitable giving since that is the reason you give for supporting them.

I do not support ending the deduction for charitable contributions.

Several things I differ with the Obama bunch on.

Including the reneging on the occupation of Iraq.

My posting of the tax rate schedule was responding to the suggestion that people are paying 40%.

You guys dont like the idea of tax money being used to help the poor, elderly, sick, etc.

I dont like the idea of my tax money being used to bomb and occupy nations around the world.

But we can both whine about it cant we?

Ain't that America?

You guys dont like the idea of tax money being used to help the poor, elderly, sick, etc.

Yet again you mischaracterize my objections to what I believe are unconstitutional expenditures. I think that the government should always operate within the framework of the Constitution and find nothing in that document that authorizes helping anybody. I believe it is my private duty as a christian to help those less fortunate than I and I spend what I can to accomplish that.

Yes, we can whine for hours on end. We live in the country that invented the bacon cheeseburger, mister. It is the greatest country on earth.

I don't think we should be bombing and occupying other nations but unlike entitlement spending, at least there is some sort of constitutional argument that can be made for the use of our military. NONE can be made for entitlement spending.

You said all that before, Aaron, and I would probably have been better off to let your words stand because I agree completely. I am so smitten with the sound of my own voice that I had to chime in and pontificate. I ought to learn to stifle a little more often.

No OC, you shouldn't stiffle. I'm the one that talks too much, so much so that I'm seldom paid attention to, but I do like to hear myself ramble. I just happen to be right on this one. That fact that you agree with me only enforces that simple fact.

Perhaps one day, if we both pontificate enough Sodbuster will come to understand that. I won't hold my breath but there's always hope.

Right???

I don't know why I keep hoping he will. That's the definition of insanity.

What else are we going to do if not bring Sodbuster out of the unconstitutional darkness and into the light?