And again, speaking of ethics ..............

by ziggy Wed May 06, 2009 12:09 am

"The lowest standards of ethics of which a right-thinking man can possibly conceive is taught to the common soldier whose trade is to shoot his fellow men. In youth he may have learned the command, 'Thou shalt not kill,' but the ruler takes the boy just as he enters manhood and teaches him that his highest duty is to shoot a bullet through his neighbor's heart - and this, unmoved by passion or feeling or hatred, and without the least regard to right or wrong, but simply because his ruler gives the word." Clarence Darrow, Resist Not Evil

by SamCogar Wed May 06, 2009 7:27 am

There is a segment of the world's populace that absolutely needs a good "killing off" .........and the world would be better off for it.

And the highest standards of ethics of which a right-thinking man can possibly be taught is to conduct said "killing off" to insure the peaceful existance and survival of the moral, good and honest segment of the world's populace.

Like any malignant cancer, if it is not permanently removed or killed then it will eventually spread throughout its host, destroying or killing said in the process.

Those who believe that ...... it is "fair, moral and/or just" that everyone should be forced to live with tens of thousands of "malignant cancers" that pose certain danger to their own existance ....... have the lowest standards of ethics than anyone on the face of the earth.

In their utter ignorance and stupidity they actually think they are immune to any effects of the above said, ...... or, ..... they know that they are one of said "cancerous growths" and they are doing their damnest to keep from being "terminated".

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And again, speaking of ethics .............. 197570

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by Cato Wed May 06, 2009 7:45 am

ziggy wrote:"The lowest standards of ethics of which a right-thinking man can possibly conceive is taught to the common soldier whose trade is to shoot his fellow men. In youth he may have learned the command, 'Thou shalt not kill,' but the ruler takes the boy just as he enters manhood and teaches him that his highest duty is to shoot a bullet through his neighbor's heart - and this, unmoved by passion or feeling or hatred, and without the least regard to right or wrong, but simply because his ruler gives the word." Clarence Darrow, Resist Not Evil

... and the best illustration of a hypocrit is to post this and then not speak out with equal disgust regarding abortion.

CATO

by **Stephanie** Wed May 06, 2009 10:08 am

I believe Ziggy has said he opposes abortion.

by Cato Wed May 06, 2009 12:31 pm

Stephanie wrote:I believe Ziggy has said he opposes abortion.

Ziggy has said he PERSONALLY opposes abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose.

That is a copout plain and simple. You can't have it both ways. You either stand for the right to life or you don't. To say you personally stand for the right to life, but if another doesn't will that's just peachy keen is nothing but a straddle the fence, go with the flow, noncommittal answer. In fact it is less than an answer.

by Keli Wed May 06, 2009 1:41 pm

Cato wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I believe Ziggy has said he opposes abortion.

Ziggy has said he PERSONALLY opposes abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose.

That is a copout plain and simple. You can't have it both ways. You either stand for the right to life or you don't. To say you personally stand for the right to life, but if another doesn't will that's just peachy keen is nothing but a straddle the fence, go with the flow, noncommittal answer. In fact it is less than an answer.

I PERSONALLY oppose war, but support a soldier's right to choose.

by **Stephanie** Wed May 06, 2009 2:35 pm

Ziggy is a big boy and can speak for himself. However, I don't think that is quite what he has said. That is what Sherm says. My memory of what Ziggy has said is different.

That said, I'm under the weather (and what crappy weather it is to be under) and my mind isn't as sharp as it usually is. Not that my mind is ever as sharp as I'd like it to be...

by Aaron Wed May 06, 2009 9:08 pm

Mr. Darrow should be thankful that enough right thinking Americans were willing to pull the trigger as that is not only how the United States was conceived and granted each of us our freedom and our rights, it is those same like minded young men who are willing to stand and ensure we don't lose our freedom and rights when others won't.

by **ohio county** Thu May 07, 2009 6:46 am

Joy Behar (to Ann Coulter): "You support torture. Why don't you volunteer to get waterboarded?"

Ann Coulter: "You support abortion. Why don't you volunteer to be aborted?"

by SamCogar Thu May 07, 2009 7:13 am

ohio county wrote:Joy Behar (to Ann Coulter): "You support torture. Why don't you volunteer to get waterboarded?"

Ann Coulter: "You support abortion. Why don't you volunteer to be aborted?"

And that quick, sharp wit ...... is what makes Dan Rad and TRC truly hate Ann Coulter.

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by Cato Thu May 07, 2009 7:27 am

Stephanie wrote:Ziggy is a big boy and can speak for himself. However, I don't think that is quite what he has said. That is what Sherm says. My memory of what Ziggy has said is different.

That said, I'm under the weather (and what crappy weather it is to be under) and my mind isn't as sharp as it usually is. Not that my mind is ever as sharp as I'd like it to be...

That O K we are under water presently and it doesn't look like we be above water any time soon. Anyone remember what the sun looks like?

by SamCogar Thu May 07, 2009 7:31 am

Cato wrote: Ziggy has said he PERSONALLY opposes abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose.

That is a copout plain and simple. You can't have it both ways. You either stand for the right to life or you don't. To say you personally stand for the right to life, but if another doesn't will that's just peachy keen is nothing but a straddle the fence, go with the flow, noncommittal answer. In fact it is less than an answer.

HORSEPUCKY

Willy, I PERSONALLY oppose extramarital sex ....... but I really don't give a flying F whether or not anyone else, except my wife, engages in said.

And I also PERSONALLY oppose the drinking of Bush Light or Utica Club beer ...... and it doesn't offend me that others choose to drink said.

And Willy, I also PERSONALLY oppose young children being brainwashed into believing a Christian or Islamic Religious Doctrine ....... but if that is what "turns your crank" then so be it.

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by Cato Thu May 07, 2009 7:38 am

Aaron wrote:Mr. Darrow should be thankful that enough right thinking Americans were willing to pull the trigger as that is not only how the United States was conceived and granted each of us our freedom and our rights, it is those same like minded young men who are willing to stand and ensure we don't lose our freedom and rights when others won't.

There are things in this world worth fighting for. There are principles and beliefs that have far more value than all the gold and silver on earth. Principles like every human being has the right to live and choose their own destiny. The everyone has the right to speak their mind, no matter who it offends. Everyone has the right to be secure in their life, safety, and property without fear. Those rights don't come from man. Man only codifies those rights. Those rights come from Almighty God and belong to every human being, no matter their station or stage of life.

What I fail to understand is how many will stand by and allow others to fight to defend those rights and then condemn those who did the fighting. We have elected leaders who have done just that. What is even more confusing to me is how a public allows themselves to be lead by these immoral and corrupt people.

by Cato Thu May 07, 2009 7:43 am

SamCogar wrote:
Cato wrote: Ziggy has said he PERSONALLY opposes abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose.

That is a copout plain and simple. You can't have it both ways. You either stand for the right to life or you don't. To say you personally stand for the right to life, but if another doesn't will that's just peachy keen is nothing but a straddle the fence, go with the flow, noncommittal answer. In fact it is less than an answer.

HORSEPUCKY

Willy, I PERSONALLY oppose extramarital sex ....... but I really don't give a flying F whether or not anyone else, except my wife, engages in said.

And I also PERSONALLY oppose the drinking of Bush Light or Utica Club beer ...... and it doesn't offend me that others choose to drink said.

And Willy, I also PERSONALLY oppose young children being brainwashed into believing a Christian or Islamic Religious Doctrine ....... but if that is what "turns your crank" then so be it.

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And you are comparing apples to oranges Sam.

Like you I don't care what people choose to do, so long as it doesn't affect one who has no choice or input into the matter. However, I do care very much when the actions of one deny another a basic right. Especially, when the affected party has absolutely no control or say in the matter.

by SamCogar Thu May 07, 2009 7:50 am

Cato wrote:
Stephanie wrote:That said, I'm under the weather (and what crappy weather it is to be under) and my mind isn't as sharp as it usually is. Not that my mind is ever as sharp as I'd like it to be...

That O K we are under water presently and it doesn't look like we be above water any time soon. Anyone remember what the sun looks like?

We are just experiencing a "normal weather event" which the likes of a similar one hasn't occured in the past 12 years or so .......... and it is in no way related to the Global Warming effects of CO2 causing climate change ........ regardless of whether or not the lack of Sunspot activity during the current Solar Cycle predicted this cooler, rainy event would occur ...... and will significantly exacerbate in intensity if said Sunspots do not start increasing in numbers.

cheers

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by SamCogar Thu May 07, 2009 7:57 am

Cato wrote: Like you I don't care what people choose to do, so long as it doesn't affect one who has no choice or input into the matter. However, I do care very much when the actions of one deny another a basic right. Especially, when the affected party has absolutely no control or say in the matter.

Now Willy baby, tell me, ..... did you give your children a choice of Religious beliefs ....... for their indoctrination of said?

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by Cato Thu May 07, 2009 9:03 am

SamCogar wrote:
Cato wrote: Like you I don't care what people choose to do, so long as it doesn't affect one who has no choice or input into the matter. However, I do care very much when the actions of one deny another a basic right. Especially, when the affected party has absolutely no control or say in the matter.

Now Willy baby, tell me, ..... did you give your children a choice of Religious beliefs ....... for their indoctrination of said?

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Again you compare apples to oranges.

Yes, their mother and I took them to church and we raised them exposing them to our religious views. The difference is, once they were no longer our responsibility, they have the choice to do as they please.

Even by taking them to church and exposing them to our beliefs we did not deny them any right.

by Keli Thu May 07, 2009 9:07 am

ohio county wrote:Joy Behar (to Ann Coulter): "You support torture. Why don't you volunteer to get waterboarded?"

Ann Coulter: "You support abortion. Why don't you volunteer to be aborted?"

I love Ann Coulter. I am going to marry her someday.

by SamCogar Thu May 07, 2009 10:41 am

YADA, ..... YADA, ...... YADA

Willy, you admitted your guilt when you stated, to wit:

Cato wrote: once they were no longer our responsibility, they have the choice to do as they please.

How is it possible for them to make a choice ....... after you done corrupted their minds?

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by **Stephanie** Thu May 07, 2009 10:48 am

Sometimes that Coulter can be funny.

by Cato Thu May 07, 2009 10:58 am

SamCogar wrote:YADA, ..... YADA, ...... YADA

Willy, you admitted your guilt when you stated, to wit:

Cato wrote: once they were no longer our responsibility, they have the choice to do as they please.

How is it possible for them to make a choice ....... after you done corrupted their minds?

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Everyone has free will. We have the ability to examine what we know and have been exposed to and to explore other options and ideas. That is what we have a brain for, to use. Sadly most people don't use it and others are afraid to use it.

by **SheikBen** Thu May 07, 2009 7:54 pm

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."--John Stuart Mill

by **SheikBen** Thu May 07, 2009 7:54 pm

Keli wrote:
ohio county wrote:Joy Behar (to Ann Coulter): "You support torture. Why don't you volunteer to get waterboarded?"

Ann Coulter: "You support abortion. Why don't you volunteer to be aborted?"

I love Ann Coulter. I am going to marry her someday.

I too love Ann Coulter, but my wife won't let me date. She can be such a conservative sometimes.

by SamCogar Fri May 08, 2009 5:23 am

Cato wrote:Everyone has free will. We have the ability to examine what we know and have been exposed to and to explore other options and ideas. That is what we have a brain for, to use. Sadly most people don't use it and others are afraid to use it.

Willy, in actuality, ..... "You are what you are nurtured to be".

If a child is nurtured to have "free will", then it will have it, ..... if not, then it won't.

One of the best examples of this is the "political nurturing" of children in WV that has occured over the past 80+ years, especially the children of partisan Democrats.

Years ago when one's job and/or livelyhood depended upon their Regisration and vocal support of the Party in power, there was and is now, a tremendous amount of discussions, arguments, fights, etc. within the home, family gatherings, social gatherings, etc, ....... all of which the children were subjected to from birth thru their teenage years.

And thus, the majority of said children .... were nurtured .... to think, believe, act and mimick the actions of their parent(s) ..... and to each of those individual children said nurturing controlled and dictated what their "free will" thinking consisted of.

And thus, their nurtured "free will" thinking only permits them to make a choice of which Democrat Candidate to support and vote for ......... and to badmouth, criticize, berate and defame the Republican Party and any and all Repubican Candidates reguardless of who they are or their qualifications.

And Willy my man, ...... you can not deny the truth of said.

Willy, my "free will" thinking permits me to choose who I think is "the most qualified Candidate" to cast my votes for.

The reason for said is that I was never subjected to said in-home political discussions, arguments, fights, etc. Absolutely none that I can remember of ..... and the reason for said was that my Father worked for the B&O RR and his job and livelyhood didn't depend on one frigging thing the Democrats or Republicans did or didn't do. And neither could get his ass fired even if they tried to.

And Willy, that same parental nurturing is responsible for my "free will" thinking about organized Religions, ...... but that's another story.

cheers And again, speaking of ethics .............. 197570

by ziggy Fri May 08, 2009 12:33 pm

Cato wrote:
Stephanie wrote:I believe Ziggy has said he opposes abortion.

Ziggy has said he PERSONALLY opposes abortion, but supports a woman's right to choose.

As usual, you got it wrong again, Cato. I oppose abortion, period.

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