What Did They Really Say?

Is your arguement really so weak that you have to splice post together in your feable attempt to prove your point?

Nevermind, I already know the answer.

Yes it is.

Are you referring to the prostitution of the First Amendment by the left and the so called separation of church and state?

Ask the U.S. Supreme Count that:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/church-state/decisions.html

Aaron wrote:Is your arguement really so weak that you have to splice post together in your feable attempt to prove your point?

Nevermind, I already know the answer.

Yes it is.

So why are you backing away from your statement that if you don't find it in the Constitution, that it doesn't count?

Tell you what Ziggy, perhaps if you can stop being so dishonest and devious, maybe we could have a decent conversation but as long as you're going to play childish word games, that's not going to happen.

And for the record, Keli's original post was that this is a nation founded on Christian principals and beliefs. In all your dishonesty, you've yet to disprove that point.

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:Is your arguement really so weak that you have to splice post together in your feable attempt to prove your point?

Nevermind, I already know the answer.

Yes it is.

So why are you backing away from your statement that if you don't find it in the Constitution, that it doesn't count?

I'm not. Why are you being so dishonest and splicing post together?

ziggy wrote:

Are you referring to the prostitution of the First Amendment by the left and the so called separation of church and state?

Ask the U.S. Supreme Count that:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/church-state/decisions.html

Not one single case says anything that I didn't in MY own words.

Aaron wrote:I disagree Cato. I think it's pretty clear what the founders thought of religion. They based this country on religious values and yes, basically we are a Christian nation. What they did not want was a state sponsored religion or religion controlling government.

From that liberals have prostituted the first amendment to the point that they claim the separation of church and state when such a separation is never mentioned in the Constitution.

Aaron wrote:

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:Is your arguement really so weak that you have to splice post together in your feable attempt to prove your point?

Nevermind, I already know the answer.

Yes it is.

So why are you backing away from your statement that if you don't find it in the Constitution, that it doesn't count?

I'm not. Why are you being so dishonest and splicing post together?

So are you saying that your posts are inconsistent with one another?

You are the one who painted yourself into a corner by saying that if it's not in the Constitution it doesn't "count". Now you are trying to say that it does count. Just as Keli can't have it both ways, neither can you.

Aaron wrote:And for the record, Keli's original post was that this is a nation founded on Christian principals and beliefs.

But the Constitution does not say that.

In all your dishonesty, you've yet to disprove that point.

It isn't up to me to either prove or disprove it. If that is what Keli affirmatively asserts, then it is up to Keli to prove it. So far he hasn't. And remember, if it's not in the Constiution, it doesn't count- right?

It's not inconsistent. It's two different subject matters.

The first is the founding principals of this country.

The second is the first Amendment.

You're wrong on both so you became dishonest and tried to put the two together.

Why?

Aaron wrote:It's not inconsistent. It's two different subject matters.

The first is the founding principals of this country.

The second is the first Amendment.

OK. I know where to find the 1st Amendment.

Can you show us where to find the "founding principals"- other than in the Constitution, and maybe the Declaration of Indenendence?

Aaron wrote:And regardless of who wrote what in the latter part of their life, you don't find it in the constitution, which is the ONLY place it counts.

When he realized that the good and oh so honest Chaplain Alan Farley had lead him into the historical wilderness, Keli, who started this thread, soon abandoned it

You should have been so wise.

When it comes to the history of our founding fathers, I can more then hold my own.

Especially when the other person is attempting to take the truth and twist it to their beliefs as you are.

So then it should be easy for you to show us where you find those "founding principles", if not in the Constitution.

Who said the principals and beliefs were in the constitution? Both you and Keli have already shown the beliefs of our founding fathers through their quotes and written work thus proving my point that the foundation of this country is Christian values. Thanks for your contribution.

Regarding the Constitution, it is the legal document (the second adopted after the revolutionarily war btw) that sets the guidelines for our constitutional republic and our rule of law, including the first Amendment. That is the amendment that sets the tone for freedom of religion which as I’ve explained numerous times, has been prostituted by the left.

So is there a point to your ramblings or are you going to continue to try and confuse the issues in hopes that it will take the spotlight off of just how wrong you really are?

Which quotes by the founders say that the "foundation" of this country is Christian values?

One of the foundations of this country is freedom of religion. As to religion, it is OK to be of whatever religion or non-religion one cares to be. That is right there in the Constitution.

It is a Constitutional value, but that is NOT a Christian value.

The Christian "value" is that everyone should be one kind of Christian or another- depending on which Christian doctrine one is looking at. I know of no Christian doctrine that says it is spiritualy OK to be a Pagan, an Atheist, or an Agnostic Jew.

Perhaps you should try reading the quotes Ziggy. Not even you can deny the tone of the quotes.

You've welshed twice now- and in only a half dozen posts or so.

You haven't shown us those "foundations" that are not part of the Constitution. And you have not shown any Christian "values" that say it's spiritually OK to be anything other than a Christian- that it's sprritually OK to practice religious freedom.

You just keep talking yourself into a tighter and tighter corner.

I see since you have no argument, you're going to stick to lying. Typical Ziggy BS.

Of course, if you doubt what I'm saying about Christianity being the foundation, go back and disprove any of the numerous quotes that Keli posted.

If you can.

As for what being a Christian is, I'm not so arrogant, as you are, to I presume to speak for what it means to anyone other then myself.

But that doesn't change the fact that when a majority of our founding fathers stated that this country is based on Christian principals, I can't accept them at their word regardless of the type of Christians you think they were.

So what could have potentially been an interesting conversation is once again killed by your word games and the reason is simple; your deep seated hatred for religion.

So the way I see it, that's strike 2 and 3 on you Ziggy.

Of course, if you doubt what I'm saying about Christianity being the foundation, go back and disprove any of the numerous quotes that Keli posted.

It is not up to me. It is up to you to prove your own affirmative statements.

And you accuse me of playing word games?

Accuser, heal thyself first.

But that doesn't change the fact that when a majority of our founding fathers stated that this country is based on Christian principals, I can't accept them at their word regardless of the type of Christians you think they were

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Again, you have not shown that a majority of our founding fathers stated that this country is based on "Christian principals". You have not even shown us what those "princples" are.

And you accuse me of playing word games?

Accuser, heal thyself first.

Both you and Keli posted statements proving the basis of our founding principals. I merely agreed with what you guys posted.

Strike 4.

Aaron wrote:Both you and Keli posted statements proving the basis of our founding principals. I merely agreed with what you guys posted.

Strike 4.

So you are just a word gaming leach who depends on Keli to make you case for you? Why can't you do anything on your own?

Strike 5