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Post by SamCogar Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:26 am

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http://www.dailymail.com/Opinion/DonSurber/200912110592

A really good commentary by Don Suber

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Post by Aaron Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:45 pm

Romney looks presidential. He was elected governor of Massachusetts in part because he looks almost as good as Obama in a bathing suit.

I don't know how either look in a bathing suit but I do know that Obama is very effeminate in his looks and actions. If he were to enter a drag contest, I don't imagine many would beat him.
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Post by TerryRC Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:29 am

The "Palin problem" will solve itself.

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Post by Aaron Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:01 am

In the same manner the Reagan problem did?
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Post by SheikBen Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:19 pm

The "Palin problem" isn't that she is likely to be President. The problem many libs have with Palin is that she is a happy mother who loves Jesus, and a great many liberals do not like an attractive, accomplished woman who does not tow the liberal line.

I know this from my upbringing. Women like Palin are to be miserable, submissive, and thoughtless, not happy, accomplished, and out to kick ass.

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Post by SheikBen Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:42 pm

BTW, I am not particularly impressed with Palin. I think most everytime she speaks she shows that she is not particularly bright or coherent.

HOWEVER, she is everything that too many liberals hate: devoted to family, anti-abortion, Christian, conservative, accomplished and happy.

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Post by ohio county Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:50 pm

I think she is too much a divisive lightning rod to play a role in the future. I've always wondered how anyone running for the second highest office in the country can make a come-back from the public spectacle of stumbling in a make-or-break interview. In terms of tough interviews Ms Couric is about half-a-step tougher than Barbara Walters. ("What kind of tree do you imagine yourself to be?").
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Post by SheikBen Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:33 pm

I agree she did a miserable job with Couric, but I don't think the damage is irreperable. I just am not that impressed with her. I'd rather she be VP right now (although I do not regret for a second my vote for Baldwin), but that's not saying much.

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Post by Stephanie Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:09 pm

I don't regret my vote for Baldwin either! I don't want to see Sarah Palin Prez or VP. Personally, I like her. I'd like to have coffee or lunch with her. I agree with Jim, she is far too contraversial to ever be very successful in an election for the White House but she could raise a ton of money for the GOP and help other candidates.

I once saw Barbara Walters ask Babs Streisand, "Do you think you're pretty?" Say what you want to about Walters but that broad has balls that clank. I still can't believe she asked that crow that question and that was many years ago.
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Post by Andrea Cristobal Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:56 pm

I'm not much for Palin myself. I am sure she can raise money for the party. But she has a lack of knowledge. Some of the Republican strategists have suggested that she spend some time brushing up on subjects like foreign policy. It was a good idea. She doesn't seem to be following it and has taken instead to the money circuit. There is nothing wrong with that, but that road doesn't lead to the White House I don't think. I wouldn't vote for her unless I thought she had a much better comprehension of things. Plus I believe positions like the Obama birth certificate position hurt her among moderates like myself. That is most certainly not what we are interested in. It's like the chase for Bush's military records which like the birthers the liberals will say they had a right to chase.

Mass isn't as liberal as people think. There is not one record that he did any National Guard duty time here though he was supposed to. It was not discussed and never made the national headlines like the rest did. It was discouraged as a topic of discussion. There were far more important things to discuss and if Palin ever wants to be President she will realize that.
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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:31 am

Oh bullshit! MA is about as liberal as it gets. Don't forget, MA was my backyard for 40 years. I have a lot of family and many friends in MA. I spent a lot of time over the years in that state vacationing on the Cape, in the Berkshires, Salem and Boston.

Honestly, who do you think you're kidding with a statement like that?
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Post by Andrea Cristobal Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:39 am

Most of the people I know are not liberal. They are all moderates. You may have lived here before, but you don't now. This is NOT as liberal a place as it once was. Far from it.
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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:51 am

From wiki:


Massachusetts is the home of the Kennedy family, and routinely votes for the Democratic Party in federal elections: it is the most populous state to have an all-Democratic Congressional delegation (ten representatives and two senators); this also makes Massachusetts the largest state to have a solid delegation of either party. Democrats hold all of the state's other state-wide elected offices as well, making Massachusetts the only state where all congressional seats and all statewide-elected offices are held by a single party. As of the 2006 election, the Republican party holds less than 13% of the seats in both legislative houses of the General Court: in the House, the balance is 141 Democratic to 19 Republican, and in the Senate, 35–5.
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Post by Aaron Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:57 am

On top of the political domination by the liberal party, MA has the top 2 liberal big cities (100K plus) , the top 4 and half of the top 10 medium cities (25 to 100K) and the top small city (below 25K).

By making a statement like MA is a moderate state, all you do is show how biased you are and it cost you credibility points. About the only place more liberal then Boston might be the area around Berkeley, CA but even that's a crap shoot.

And unlike MA, CA does have some significant sections of conservatism.

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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:07 am

If MA is moderate, what the hell is liberal?
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Post by Andrea Cristobal Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:34 am

Stephanie wrote:If MA is moderate, what the hell is liberal?

Only 29% of Massachusetts residents identify themselves as liberal, and the number who consider themselves conservative is virtually tied with that percentile. We have also had three Republican governors in a row in recent history.
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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:43 am

Aaron is 100% correct. You have destroyed whatever credibility you may have had here.
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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:03 am

Massachusetts Registered
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Post by ohio county Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:03 am

Only 29% of Massachusetts residents identify themselves as liberal

I self-identify as young and handsome but that doesn't make it so...
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Post by Keli Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:19 am

Stephanie wrote:If MA is moderate, what the hell is liberal?

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Post by SheikBen Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:10 am

Stephanie wrote:If MA is moderate, what the hell is liberal?

Easy, Steph. I agree that calling Massachusettes "moderate" is incorrect, but I think most people like to self-identify as moderates, making the "other guy" the extremist.

The textbooks I teach from usually identify very liberal members of the Supreme Court as "moderates" or "moderately liberal," which only shows their own bias.

I have every reason to believe that the people of Massachusettes (or Rhode Island, or the city of Chicago) are not as liberal as their leaders. Mitt Romney did win statewide office, albeit having run as pro-choice. Granted the Senators are just barely to the right of Lenin, and Duval Patrick is about as far left as they come, I don't think the people are quite that wacky.

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Post by Cato Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:03 am

SheikBen wrote: ... I don't think the people are quite that wacky.

They keep putting the same leftists in office. After a couple of elections it becomes obvious that the leftist agenda must play pretty well with the good folks of Mass.

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Post by SheikBen Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:40 am

It plays better than it should. I blame the lack of coherent and consistent Republicans.

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Post by Stephanie Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:03 pm

I like Massachusettes. It's a wonderful state with a lot to offer and there are many wonderful people in that state. I don't think there is any single reason why the Bay State has gone to the looney left fringe, but it clearly has.

I do believe the presence of so many Irish and Italian Catholics plays a role. I also believe part of it is trying to live down their history of Puritanism & Colonoialism and all the atrocities committed against not only the native people, but against women & children. I also know older people of the region are still enamoured with all things Kennedy. I mean, a Kennedy does no wrong. They get with rape and murder, even the barbaric mutilation and subsequent institutionalization of one of their own was swept under the rug and if the tattered remnants of the Kennedy clan remain staunch liberals then the old folks will too.

I downloaded a pdf file from the MA Secretary of State's office. I don't know how to copy from there and paste to here but there are more than 3 voters affiliated with the Democratic Party for every member of the GOP.

MA has become the most liberal state in the nation. From compulsory education to gay marriage to socialized medicine, MA has been on the forefront of the liberal agenda for decades. I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to change. I mean, we're talking about a place that considers William Weld to be a conservative.
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Post by SheikBen Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:57 pm

Weld makes my point, when Republicans put up putzes like that they deserve to get trounced.

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