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Post by SamCogar Sat Apr 10, 2010 6:28 am

SOUTH HADLEY, Mass. (AP) — Phoebe Prince, the Massachusetts high school freshman who took her own life after what prosecutors called relentless bullying by classmates, spoke to a school administrator one week before her death about a threat of physical violence, court documents reveal.

The documents, filed in connection with charges against six South Hadley High School students, raise new questions about how much school officials knew about the bullying. They also provide a glimpse into the final, tortured hours of Prince's life shortly before the 15-year-old hanged herself at home Jan. 14.

On Jan. 7, according to the documents, Prince went to a school administrator after learning that one of the defendants, Flannery Mullins, had told fellow students that she was going to "beat Phoebe up" and that she "needed to watch out at break after second block."

The documents do not reveal the official to whom Prince spoke or provide details of the conversation.

A witness who was interviewed by investigators said Prince had gone to administrators because she was "scared and wanted to go home." After the meeting, the witness said Prince returned to class, and said that no action was going to be taken and that "she was still going to get beat up."

In a recent interview, Superintendent Gus Sayer said school administrators were not aware of the bullying until Jan. 7, a week before Prince committed suicide. On that day, two teachers reported separate bullying incidents to the principal, Sayer said.

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Post by TerryRC Sat Apr 10, 2010 7:45 am

Kids are cruel. Kids are sneaky. Schools are jungles, even private schools, and the adults can't see everything.

Buck up, little cowboys and cowgirls - the world is a hard place. Stick it out or retire.

I was tormented until I learned to fight back against the things I could and ignore the things I couldn't. Some kids got it FAR worse than me. Nobody hung themselves.

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Post by ziggy Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:21 am

Stick it out or retire.

Phoebe Prince decided to "retire".
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Post by TerryRC Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:37 am

Phoebe Prince decided to "retire".

I know. Some people aren't cut out for living in a less than ideal environment.

Teen suicide is on the increase because, IMHO, parents coddle their "precious little snowflakes". When the kids hit the real world, they find that, not only does it not give a shit for you, it can be pointlessly cruel and hostile. Messes some of them up.

Don't think for a moment that I'm excusing the bullies - they deserve to have their asses shoved into a work camp for a year or two. I'm just saying that we have weakened our kids by trying to child-proof the world.

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Post by Stephanie Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:59 am

You're giving the school officials a free pass, Terry? What is wrong with you?

This girl took her own life after being tormented relentlessly and the people charged with her care did NOTHING to help her. I think the students found guilty of torturing her should serve time, and at the very least the teachers and administrators she turned to for help should lose their certification.

This kid took her own life, there have been numerous cases of victims of bullies killing others. Think Columbine.

The world Phoebe Prince lived in isn't the same world you and I and others posting here navigated through our teen years. Now kids are attacked and maligned on Facebook & via texting. Surely for some it must feel like there is no refuge.
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Post by SamCogar Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:46 am

Some people aren't cut out for living in a less than ideal environment.

I was tormented until I learned to fight back against the things I could and ignore the things I couldn't. Some kids got it FAR worse than me.


Messes some of them up.lol!

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Post by TerryRC Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:02 am

Sam, what are you trying to say? Don't hide, come out and say it. Insults are all you seem to have, lately.

You are a bully, too. You harangue anyone that disagrees with you to the point where you have driven them all off of this board, except for Ziggy and me.

The world Phoebe Prince lived in isn't the same world you and I and others posting here navigated through our teen years. Now kids are attacked and maligned on Facebook & via texting. Surely for some it must feel like there is no refuge.

What is the difference between that and the old rumor mill, Steph? In my day, the bathroom wall was our Facebook. Just because the technology is a little more advanced doesn't mean that the world is any different. In fact, this country is safer for kids than it ever has been.

You're giving the school officials a free pass, Terry? What is wrong with you?

What are the teachers to do unless they actually catch somebody in the act? Unless they do, it is one person's word against another. As I said, kids are sneaky and the adults can't be everywhere. How do you get that I'm giving ANYBODY a free pass out of that?

This kid took her own life, there have been numerous cases of victims of bullies killing others. Think Columbine.

Not that numerous, just over sensationalized. Are you, however, giving murderers a free pass because they were bullied?

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Post by Stephanie Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:54 am

No, Terry...........I do believe it's different, a LOT different.

The lavatory wall didn't follow you home from school. Nobody had the ability to snap photos of you in the locker room or as somebody blackened your eye and send it instantly to all of your peers. The old rumor mill ended at the bus stop, social networking sites like MySpace & Twitter have no walls, no bounderies and images and words posted on a Facebook wall can't be covered by a fresh coat of paint. They go viral.

You ARE giving the adults a pass, Terry, when you say they can't see everything. This girl went to the adults for help and got a door slammed in her face, not because they can't see everything, but because her tormentors were popular. The teachers and administrators protect the captain of the football team and members of the softball team. They had a legal obligation to protect her and they did less than nothing. After her death they immediately claimed they had no knowlege, but as police investigate and documents are revealed we are learning that was a blatant LIE.

I'm not giving murderers a free pass, Terry. I'm just not blaming the victim, it appears to me that you are.
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Post by TerryRC Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:18 am

You ARE giving the adults a pass, Terry, when you say they can't see everything. This girl went to the adults for help and got a door slammed in her face, not because they can't see everything, but because her tormentors were popular. The teachers and administrators protect the captain of the football team and members of the softball team. They had a legal obligation to protect her and they did less than nothing. After her death they immediately claimed they had no knowlege, but as police investigate and documents are revealed we are learning that was a blatant LIE.

We'll see when the story comes out.

Anyway, say your son comes to you and says that your daughter hit him. She says she didn't and you can't find any evidence of a blow.

What do you do in the lack of evidence? if you don't punish your daughter, are you getting a "pass"?

Innocent until proven guilty, no?

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Post by Stephanie Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:02 pm

I read at least one lengthy account of how she was treated on the day she took her life. Are you telling me NOBODY saw any of that? NOBODY at that school from the day she went looking for help, to the day she died, not one teacher, not one administrator, not aide or janitor or lunch lady witnessed a thing yet within a couple of days of her death the police were arresting students at that school and news media could tell us all about her last day?

I'm not buying it.
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Post by TerryRC Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:55 am

I'm not buying it.

That's fine, I'm not selling. I notice you didn't address my question:

Anyway, say your son comes to you and says that your daughter hit him. She says she didn't and you can't find any evidence of a blow.

What do you do in the lack of evidence? if you don't punish your daughter, are you getting a "pass"?

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Post by Stephanie Mon Apr 19, 2010 2:28 am

They knew. They KNEW, for at least a week. I didn't answer your question because your question isn't relevant.


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Superintendent Gus A. Sayer has said school officials first learned of the bullying Jan. 7, a week before she died, when a student walked into a classroom and called Prince a “slut” in front of teacher. The student, he said, was punished. “She bore a lot of this stuff herself,” Sayer said of Phoebe.

Yet three days before Prince’s death, a student told a staffer about an obscene picture someone had scrawled over Prince in a class photo at school, according to the student’s mother. The staffer took the photo down, but it’s unclear whether she reported it.

Sayer, who cut short his vacation after the bombshell indictments were announced Monday, said yesterday he was unaware of the obscene drawing over Prince’s image. He added the staffer had not been interviewed in the school’s probe.

Sayer, however, defended a staff member who was allegedly present when Prince was attacked while studying in the library during lunch - hours before she went home and hanged herself.

In that incident, a group of students ganged up on Prince, calling her names in front of a staff member as one of them blocked the door, the student’s mother said.

In announcing criminal charges Monday, Northeastern District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel said the faculty member did not report the incident to administrators until after Prince died.

Sayer disputes that account. “I don’t believe (the staffer) witnessed it,” he said. “There was a staff member present, but that person did not overhear those conversations.”

I can't believe I'm staying up this late to dig for stuff to prove this to you but here's more:



SCHOOL OFFICIALS LIED!

Prince pleaded for help at school
But prosecutors say officials sent her back to class

Phoebe Prince, desperate in the face of relentless bullying, turned to school administrators for help a week before she took her own life, prosecutors said yesterday, once pleading with them that she was “scared and wanted to go home’’ to avoid being beaten up by a vengeful classmate.

Prince was sent back to class, where she told a witness that school officials had no plans to intervene and that “she was still going to get beat up,’’ prosecutors said.

The stunning disclosure that Prince herself notified administrators at South Hadley High School about the bullying, an encounter previously unknown even to her family, was made public for the first time yesterday in court documents filed as three of her former schoolmates pleaded not guilty to charges that they tormented the 15-year-old freshman for months.

Prosecutors said Prince was taunted, heckled, threatened, and driven to tears by two groups of teenagers angry about her dating decisions. She was once confronted while waiting for her Latin class to begin, an exchange that left her weeping in her seat in front of a high school instructor. She feared walking down the hallways, prosecutors said, and was even followed into bathrooms by girls who had vowed to beat her up.

On the day before her death, prosecutors said, she told a confidante that school “has been close to intolerable lately’’ and that insults had escalated into threats of physical harm.

School officials, under heavy criticism for failing to protect Prince against an alleged three-month campaign of slurs and intimidation, have insisted that Prince never told them about the bullying and that they only learned about her troubles a week before her death. A subsequent school investigation revealed no previous incidents, officials said.

Prosecutors, in contrast, found that Prince endured months of harassment and physical threats before she hanged herself Jan. 14 after what they have called a “torturous day’’ of bullying.

Yesterday, they asserted that Prince spoke directly with a school administrator about being threatened with violence Jan. 7.

South Hadley Superintendent Gus Sayer could not be reached for comment. He has previously defended the school’s handling of the situation, saying officials were unaware of the extent of the harassment.

Northwestern District Attorney Elizabeth Scheibel has countered that Prince’s mother had spoken with school administrators about her concerns before her daughter’s death and that the bullying of Prince was “common knowledge’’ among students.

Prince’s death and the recent criminal charges brought against six teenagers for allegedly tormenting her have drawn international attention and spurred widespread outrage against the defendants and school officials.

According to prosecutors, Prince, a new student who moved to South Hadley from Ireland, was targeted after she had a brief relationship with a popular senior athlete, Sean Mulveyhill, who is one of those charged with harassing her. Mulveyhill then resumed dating his girlfriend, Kayla Narey, a junior who faces similar charges.

The new court documents also lay out, in painful detail, the final day of her life.

Prince was in the library with friends at the same time as Narey, Mulveyhill, and one of their friends, Ashley Longe, who has also been charged in the case.

Longe began yelling, “I hate stupid sluts,’’ and other, cruder sexual slurs at Prince. She later called her an “Irish whore’’ and wrote similar descriptions on the library sign-in sheets.

At the end of the school day, Longe again yelled degrading sexual comments at Prince in the school auditorium. Mulveyhill, who was charged with statutory rape, encouraged Longe’s behavior and also called Prince a whore. Narey, sitting nearby, was laughing, prosecutors said.

Minutes later, Longe threw an empty drink can from a car at Prince, who was walking home. Longe laughed and called her a whore. Prince, according to the witness, was crying.

Darby O’Brien, a friend of the Prince family, said the family was unaware that Phoebe had made a personal appeal to administrators, but said the disclosure reinforces the family’s contention that officials had sufficient warning to act more vigorously on Prince’s behalf.

“She must have been desperate to make that move,’’ he said. “It [the bullying] couldn’t have gotten much worse, but it did.’’

An unidentified witness told prosecutors about Prince’s mental status after months of verbal assaults. “She definitely didn’t want to fight with the girls in school,’’ the witness was quoted as saying. “She just wanted to keep to herself and keep things the way they were. She wanted people to stop picking on her, to stop being bullied.’’

Michael Cahillane, an assistant district attorney, said prosecutors would not discuss details included in the new filing.

Attorneys for Flannery Mullins, Sharon Chanon Velazquez, and Longe, all 16 and from South Hadley, appeared in Hampshire-Franklin Juvenile Court in Hadley yesterday, where pleas of not delinquent were entered on behalf of their clients. They are being charged both as adults and as youthful offenders with civil rights violations and stalking.

The three others charged with playing roles in Prince’s alleged torment and suicide were arraigned Tuesday in Hampshire Superior Court, with their attorneys entering pleas of not guilty pleas on their behalf. Through their lawyers, Mulveyhill, 17, of South Hadley, and Austin Renaud, 18, of Springfield, pleaded not guilty to statutory rape, and Mulveyhill and Narey, 17, of South Hadley, pleaded not guilty to violation of civil rights, criminal harassment, and disturbance of a school assembly.
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Post by TerryRC Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:46 pm

They knew. They KNEW, for at least a week. I didn't answer your question because your question isn't relevant.

What, this question:

Anyway, say your son comes to you and says that your daughter hit him. She says she didn't and you can't find any evidence of a blow.

What do you do in the lack of evidence? if you don't punish your daughter, are you getting a "pass"?


My question is VERY relevant. How do you punish a ward if you have no evidence of misdoing?

So one staff member saw some graffiti. That is not a smoking gun. None of your cites show that the school had much more evidence than the victim's word.

I have no doubt the school had an idea of what was going on. That is not the same thing as proof.

If it turns out someone is covering up, I hope they hang. Show us the EVIDENCE.

Suicide is for cowards.

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Post by Stephanie Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:28 pm

Are the prosecutors making this stuff up?

The new court documents also lay out, in painful detail, the final day of her life.

Prince was in the library with friends at the same time as Narey, Mulveyhill, and one of their friends, Ashley Longe, who has also been charged in the case.

Longe began yelling, “I hate stupid sluts,’’ and other, cruder sexual slurs at Prince. She later called her an “Irish whore’’ and wrote similar descriptions on the library sign-in sheets.

At the end of the school day, Longe again yelled degrading sexual comments at Prince in the school auditorium. Mulveyhill, who was charged with statutory rape, encouraged Longe’s behavior and also called Prince a whore. Narey, sitting nearby, was laughing, prosecutors said.

School officials are lying to cover their own asses. One teacher saw Phoebe so shaken she was crying at the start of class. Another teacher knew someone had covered her photo with obscenities. Yet still when she went to the principal pleading for help, fearing for her safety but NOTHING CHANGED.

If you went to your boss after being repeatedly threatened at work with physical harm and NOTHING about your work environment changed, and a week later things only escalated, I guarantee you wouldn't just sit back and take it. If your coworkers were ganging up on you, stalking you, throwing things at you, defaming you in front of your superiors and yet did nothing, you'd get yourself a lawyer, or demand to be reassigned. What was Phoebe Prince to do? She couldn't demand to be reassigned.

Bullies and their enablers are cowards. Teachers and principals who ignore bullying should have their certificates revoked. Phoebe Prince was a victim.
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Post by TerryRC Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:32 pm

If you went to your boss after being repeatedly threatened at work with physical harm and NOTHING about your work environment changed, and a week later things only escalated, I guarantee you wouldn't just sit back and take it. If your coworkers were ganging up on you, stalking you, throwing things at you, defaming you in front of your superiors and yet did nothing, you'd get yourself a lawyer, or demand to be reassigned. What was Phoebe Prince to do? She couldn't demand to be reassigned.

Yet you still avoided the question.

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Post by Stephanie Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:34 pm

You have failed to prove relevance. However, I'll answer anyway. It depends. It would depend on which one of my kids was making the accusation, and who they were making it against.
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Post by TerryRC Sat May 01, 2010 6:32 am

You have failed to prove relevance. However, I'll answer anyway. It depends. It would depend on which one of my kids was making the accusation, and who they were making it against.

Why, because YOU say I have?

If an authority figure hears accusations but not evidence, what is their duty?

An authority figure can be a parent OR a teacher.

There is your relevance.

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Post by Stephanie Sat May 01, 2010 6:58 am

Because the news reports say you have. Because the prosecutors say you have. According to officials in MA, the authority figures had plenty of evidence.

More than one authority figure witnessed events, Terry. THAT is why your question continues to be irrelevant.
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Post by TerryRC Sat May 01, 2010 7:20 am

More than one authority figure witnessed events, Terry. THAT is why your question continues to be irrelevant.

From what you originally posted as "evidence", the only physical evidence was some graffiti on a poster that could have been written by anyone.

My question (that you never really answered) is ever so relevant.

Like I said, we need EVIDENCE to carry out justice. If there is EVIDENCE that the school brushed this under the carpet, hang 'em all.

Just don't let your hatred of public schools cloud your judgment.

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Post by Stephanie Sat May 01, 2010 8:27 am

How has my judgement been clouded?

Let me ask you something, Terry. How many times do you think this situation plays out in schools across the country? How many kids are compelled to attend schools where they fear for their safety, not from drug dealers or gang members, but from the cheerleaders and football players?

I know this is a few years away for you, but if your teen daughter was repeatedly threatened, defamed, and attacked at school and went to the principal looking for help, saying she was afraid for her safety and nothing was done to help her, would you give school officials a pass?

Teachers knew this girl was in trouble. Prosecutors are laying out a pretty compelling case against the students that tormented her. They must believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt these students committed these acts at school. They investigated. If the principal had investigated he would have learned exactly what they did, before the girl was dead. Of course, that is going under the assumption that he didn't ALREADY know what was going on long before Phoebe died. In order for that to be true, teachers that found graffiti, saw Phoebe crying, and witnessed her being attacked in both the library and auditorium would have had to never have reported it.

The courts have time and again said that schools and school officials are entitled to limit student behavior because they act in loco parentis. They take on the responsibilities of protecting the well being of students. Parents who fail to protect their children from abuse are guilty of child endangerment and suffer (as they should) consequences for their behavior. School teachers and administrators, both public and private, have a legal obligation to protect students and when they fail in that responsibility they too must suffer consequences.

I am so convinced of their guilt because they keep changing their story, not because I hate public schools. Prosecutors have uncovered plenty of evidence, but so far I have heard of no charges being filed against any of the "authority figures" in South Hadley HS. Yeah, that pisses me off.
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Post by TerryRC Sat May 01, 2010 8:45 am

I am so convinced of their guilt because they keep changing their story, not because I hate public schools. Prosecutors have uncovered plenty of evidence, but so far I have heard of no charges being filed against any of the "authority figures" in South Hadley HS. Yeah, that pisses me off.

And they are saving it for the case, not releasing it to the public.

Perhaps the principal DID investigate. We don't know. What was he to do with just HEARSAY evidence? The parents of the bullies would come unglued if there was no EVIDENCE (hearsay is not evidence, mind you)

I'm not giving them a pass and schools are jungles. Not just public schools, however. Ask alumni of Horace Mann if they were bullied, harassed or hazed. Think you will get any stories?

If the school covered evidence, they should have the book thrown at them.

We are ignoring the point that many, many kids get bullied. Most of them don't off themselves.

The courts have time and again said that schools and school officials are entitled to limit student behavior because they act in loco parentis. They take on the responsibilities of protecting the well being of students. Parents who fail to protect their children from abuse are guilty of child endangerment and suffer (as they should) consequences for their behavior. School teachers and administrators, both public and private, have a legal obligation to protect students and when they fail in that responsibility they too must suffer consequences.

Yada, yada, yada. You implied yourself, you might not punish your kid UNLESS YOU CAUGHT THEM IN THE ACT.

What if your daughter got suspended because the school said she was bullying somebody. Keep in mind there is no evidence - no video, no actual witnesses, nothing to point a finger directly at any person(s). Would you meekly accept this, or go to war?

This situation is not as cut and dry as you make it out to be.

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Post by Aaron Sat May 01, 2010 8:51 am

I think you should take a look at today's schools Terry. There is zero tolerance where kids can be expelled for cussing or making threats. Teachers don't need evidence beyond some attesting to what someone else said. If they get the testimony of two or more kids, hearsay or not, the accused party is now guilty, sent home and must prove themselves innocent and in most cases, law enforcement is brought in immediately to deal with the situation. Today's public schools aren't the Hays of even 10 years ago.
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Post by Stephanie Sat May 01, 2010 9:05 am

Terry, there were actual witnesses.

Do you think the high school library has no staff?

Where do you suppose all the adults in that building are?

Prosecutors aren't saving evidence for the case against the teachers administrators who failed to protect this girl. They have not filed any charges against them, only the students.

Phoebe needed protection. They offered her no protection, Terry. They had other options besides suspending students they had no evidence against. Besides, you keep insisting they had no evidence. THEY HAD evidence, they just lied and said they didn't know.

What part of that aren't you getting?

btw......Kate was suspended for the remainder of the last day of school her first year at BHS because she was overheard to say to another student, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if somebody stuffed a freshman in a trashcan?" I was told that was "no different from climbing on board a passenger plane and saying you have a bomb." I'm not kidding. I did nothing, absolutely nothing, other than tell the principal off for comparing her to a terrorist. The guy is a twit. It was the only time she was ever in any kind of trouble at school. That kid never had detention. I told her not to say stupid things like that in public places.
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Post by TerryRC Sat May 01, 2010 9:32 am

Phoebe needed protection. They offered her no protection, Terry. They had other options besides suspending students they had no evidence against. Besides, you keep insisting they had no evidence. THEY HAD evidence, they just lied and said they didn't know.

What was the school to do. Separate her from general population?

What was the evidence that makes the schools guilt so cut and dry?

Like I said. Many kids get bullied. Most of them don't off themselves.

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Post by TerryRC Sat May 01, 2010 9:33 am

If they get the testimony of two or more kids, hearsay or not, the accused party is now guilty, sent home and must prove themselves innocent and in most cases, law enforcement is brought in immediately to deal with the situation.

So, what evidence has been brought to light that laws were broken? What were the bullies charged with? I know they were, but was it something that the school could do, or did it require court orders and that sort of thing"
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