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Post by Keli Mon May 17, 2010 6:12 pm

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/17/napolitano_admits_she_hasnt_read_arizona_law_but_says_she_wouldnt_sign_it.html
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Post by ziggy Mon May 17, 2010 11:56 pm

I have not prenteded to have read the "Arizona law".

Heck, there is a lot of WV law I have not read.
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Post by SamCogar Tue May 18, 2010 1:16 pm

Why I thought you pretended even after you read some of it.

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Post by Aaron Tue May 18, 2010 1:20 pm

ziggy wrote:I have not prenteded to have read the "Arizona law".

Heck, there is a lot of WV law I have not read.

Considering you don't know how a police officer can arrest someone, I can believe that.

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Post by ziggy Tue May 18, 2010 4:23 pm

ziggy wrote:
Armon Ayers wrote:How did he file suit against the Arizona Immigration Law without having read it??

How can a policeman arrest someone for a crime without having witnessed it?

Just as Armon knew the answer to the question he asked, so did Ziggy. The Homeland Security Secretary can no more be expected to read every law his or her agency might challenge via the Department of Justice than a police officer can be expected to witness every crime for which he might make an arrest.

So who else hasn't read the Arizona law- besides Armon Ayers and Aaron?


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Post by ziggy Tue May 18, 2010 4:25 pm

SamCogar wrote:Why I thought you pretended even after you read some of it.

Physician, heal thyself first.
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Post by Aaron Tue May 18, 2010 5:03 pm

ziggy wrote:
ziggy wrote:
Armon Ayers wrote:How did he file suit against the Arizona Immigration Law without having read it??

How can a policeman arrest someone for a crime without having witnessed it?

Just as Armon knew the answer to the question he asked, so did Ziggy. The Homeland Security Secretary can no more be expected to read every law his or her agency might challenge via the Department of Justice than a police officer can be expected to witness every crime for which he might make an arrest.

So who else hasn't read the Arizona law- besides Armon Ayers and Aaron?

Perhaps you should stick to speaking for yourself Ziggy.
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Post by ziggy Tue May 18, 2010 5:25 pm

Tell it to Keli. It was he who started this topic thread about who had or had not read it.
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Post by Aaron Tue May 18, 2010 5:38 pm

Keli made no statement about me so there is nothing for me to talk to Keli about. You're the one making incorrect statements.
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Post by ziggy Wed May 19, 2010 11:56 am

No, you made an "incorrect statement" with your post number 8089, above. If you can't stand the heat, then don't come into the kitchen.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 19, 2010 2:13 pm

You ask a question on another thread giving the impression of a lack of knowledge on your part. I pointed that out. At no point before my post above did you post anything that would counter that impression. When coupled with your recent string of inaccuracies, your lack of knowledge is completely explainable and understandable thus I made no incorrect statement.

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Post by ziggy Wed May 19, 2010 10:44 pm

You ask a question on another thread giving the impression of a lack of knowledge on your part.

My question did not indicate a lack of knowledge of anything any more than the question to which it was a reply indicated a lack of knowledge. It was simply a quid pro quo spoof response to the previous equally spoof question. But if you are so lacking of substantative debate techniques that you need to misrepresent my words, and that somehow helps your self-esteem to do so, then have at it. I am glad to be of service to your fragile psyche. And we know that you will do it again and again anyway.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 19, 2010 11:07 pm

The Attorney General of the United States of America was forced to admit to Congress he did not read the most controversial piece of state legislation in years admitting that he did not have intimate knowledge to which he was speaking yet you found nothing wrong with that. I'm not the least bit surprised.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 19, 2010 11:09 pm

The Attorney General of the United States of America was forced to admit to Congress he did not read the most controversial piece of state legislation that has come down the pike in years yet you found nothing wrong with that.

All I did was point out your foolishness.

Seems to me that if you can't take the heat, you ought not stray into the kitchen where you don't belong.
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Post by Keli Thu May 20, 2010 2:14 am

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
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Post by ziggy Thu May 20, 2010 11:45 am

Aaron wrote:The Attorney General of the United States of America was forced to admit to Congress he did not read the most controversial piece of state legislation that has come down the pike in years yet you found nothing wrong with that.

All I did was point out your foolishness.

Seems to me that if you can't take the heat, you ought not stray into the kitchen where you don't belong.

Huh? I am not the one getting testy and grasping for excuses for my thoughtless words.

As for my "foolishness", are you just now realizing what others here have known for years- that we thrive on each others' foolishness here? Surely you don't take all this very seriously, do you?
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Post by Aaron Thu May 20, 2010 1:03 pm

Who's grasping for excuses and getting testy? And I take this about as serious as I do everything else save for my boys and granddaughter.

Saying that, I do try to be consistent and don't much care for excuses. A police officer making an arrest can not be compared to the AG of the US making excuses for not reading what he knew would be a controversial law and he knew he would be ask about when testifying before Congress.

All that aside, did you read the law and what are your thoughts on it?
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Post by ziggy Thu May 20, 2010 1:23 pm

All that aside, did you read the law and what are your thoughts on it?

I have not read the specific law, and I don't have much thought about it.

My more general thought is that, regardless of the laws, the immigration laws will not be enforced as long as there are U.S. employers willing and waiting to hire illegal immigrants- whether as domestic labor, commercial, or industrial labor at wage and benefit rates most Americans would not accept.
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Post by Aaron Thu May 20, 2010 2:58 pm

I disagree. If there were a crackdown on immigaration, those jobs would be filled at some point, whether it be through legal immigration or higher wages.

The reason there will be no crackdown on illegal immigrants is political as Hispanics represent too many votes.

Even GWB recognized this which is why he tried to offer amnesty and get the problem under control.

Democrats won't even do that knowing that as long as they do nothing, they'll likely get the Hispanic vote.

And in the meantime, illegal immigrants continue to drain our resources, both human and natural so that offsets the low wages many earn.

Arizona just got tired of paying for Californians problems. Perhaps New Mexico and Texas will follow suit.
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Post by SamCogar Fri May 21, 2010 8:41 am

We, in Arizona , know you're boycotting us -- but you really should come out here and see our Beautiful Sonoran Desert .

It's just gorgeous right now! We know you'd love it and maybe you can share what you saw with the rest of the country so they can love it too!

Guess who else hasn't read the Arizona Law--besides Ziggy. Arizon10
This is on an 'illegal super - highway' from Mexico to the USA ( Tucson ) used by human smugglers.

Guess who else hasn't read the Arizona Law--besides Ziggy. Arizon11

This area is located in a wash, approximately 1.5 miles long, just south of Tucson , Arizona . If a flood came, all this would be washed to the river and then onto the sea!
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It is estimated over 5,000 discarded backpacks are in this wash. Countless water containers, food wrappers, clothing, feces, including thousands of soiled baby diapers. And as you can see in this picture, fresh footprints leading right into it.

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Post by TerryRC Sun May 23, 2010 8:35 am

It is estimated over 5,000 discarded backpacks are in this wash. Countless water containers, food wrappers, clothing, feces, including thousands of soiled baby diapers. And as you can see in this picture, fresh footprints leading right into it.

I see places that look like all over WV. It isn't from illegal immigrants, though.

It is from lazy rednecks too cheap to run to the landfill. They just pull up to a wide spot and throw it off the shoulder.

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Post by Aaron Sun May 23, 2010 8:50 am

I've been all over these United States Terry and the problem you speak of is not only confined to West Virginia.
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Post by TerryRC Sun May 23, 2010 8:57 am

I've been all over these United States Terry and the problem you speak of is not only confined to West Virginia.

Of course not. I was using it to point out that Sam need not go any further that down the road to see a similar scene.

Perhaps my example doesn't count, though, because it is done by good ol' Americans (who should be expected to respect the land of their birth).

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Post by TerryRC Sat May 29, 2010 7:27 am

Arizona's next bout of stupid:

"I also intend to push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen."

I guess it is time to rewrite the 14th Amendment:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except in cases that conflict with Russell Pearce's subjective notion of citizenship, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

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Post by Aaron Sat May 29, 2010 7:38 am

Actually, citizenship isn't quite as cut and dried as you would like to make out. For instance, the rule for a person who has only one parent as a United States citizen who was born abroad has changed multiple times over they years.

Through birth abroad to one United States citizen
A person born on or after November 14, 1986, is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true:[7]

1.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2.The citizen parent lived at least five years in the United States before the child's birth
3.A minimum of two of these five years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
INA 301(g) makes additional provisions to satisfy the physical-presence requirements for periods citizens spent abroad in “honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization”. Additionally citizens who spent time living abroad as the “dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person” in any of the previously mentioned organizations can also be counted.

A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.

Different rules apply for persons born abroad to one U.S. citizen before November 14, 1986. United States law on this subject changed multiple times throughout the twentieth century, and the law is applicable as it existed at the time of the individual's birth.

For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true [7]:

1.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person in question was born
2.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
3.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.
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