Palestinians and Libertarians

In recent history the area called Palestine includes the territories of present day Israel and Jordan (see map above. For earlier history of the term see article). From 1517 to 1917 most of this area remained under the rule of the Ottoman Empire.

Ottoman Empire was dissolved at the end of World War I. Its successor, modern republic of Turkey, transferred Palestine to British Empire control under the Lausanne agreement that followed WW I.

In 1917 Great Britain issued the Balfour Declaration for "the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people". In 1922 Britain allocated nearly 80% of Palestine to Transjordan. Thus, Jordan covers the majority of the land of Palestine under British Mandate. Jordan also includes the majority of the Arabs who lived there. In other words, Jordan is the Arab portion of Palestine.

The residents of Palestine are called "Palestinians". Since Palestine includes both modern day Israel and Jordan both Arab and Jewish residents of this area were referred to as "Palestinians".

It was only after the Jews re-inhabited their historic homeland of Judea and Samaria, that the myth of an Arab Palestinian nation was created and marketed worldwide. Jews come from Judea, not Palestinians. There is no language known as Palestinian, or any Palestinian culture distinct from that of all the Arabs in the area. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. "Palestinians" are Arabs indistinguishable from Arabs throughout the Middle East. The great majority of Arabs in greater Palestine and Israel share the same culture, language and religion.

Much of the Arab population in this area actually migrated into Israel and Judea and Samaria from the surrounding Arab countries in the past 100 years. The rebirth of Israel was accompanied by economic prosperity for the region. Arabs migrated to this area to find employment and enjoy the higher standard of living. In documents not more than hundred years, the area is described as a scarcely populated region. Jews by far were the majority in Jerusalem over the small Arab minority. Until the Oslo agreement the major source of income for Arab residents was employment in the Israeli sector. To this day, many Arabs try to migrate into Israel with various deceptions to become a citizen of Israel.

Even the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority, Arafat himself, is not a "Palestinian". He was born in Egypt. The famous "Palestinian covenant" states that Palestinians are "an integral part of the Arab nation" -- a nation which is blessed with a sparsely populated land mass 660 times the size of tiny Israel (Judea, Samaria and Gaza included).

All attempts to claim Arab sovereignty over Israel of today, should be seen with their real intention: The destruction of Israel as a Jewish state and the only bulwark of the Judeo-Christian Western civilization in the Middle East.

Stephanie wrote:Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?

Stephanie wrote:Do Palestinians have the right to defend themselves?

Stephanie wrote:Occupation, land grabs, blockades, displacement, isolation, theft of natural resources, false imprisonment, indefinite detention without trial, trials without benefit of counsel, the list goes on and on and on.

Stephanie wrote:Occupation, land grabs, blockades, displacement, isolation, theft of natural resources, false imprisonment, indefinite detention without trial, trials without benefit of counsel, the list goes on and on and on.

Stephanie wrote:I am a native American, I came from America. What are you? Where do you come from?

There was a time when Americans enslaved Africans. Should the Israelis be allowed to do that too? Should America pay for them to enslave other human beings?

Stephanie wrote:I am a native American, I came from America. What are you? Where do you come from?

There was a time when Americans enslaved Africans. Should the Israelis be allowed to do that too? Should America pay for them to enslave other human beings?

Stephanie wrote:I am a native American, I came from America. What are you? Where do you come from?

There was a time when Americans enslaved Africans. Should the Israelis be allowed to do that too? Should America pay for them to enslave other human beings?

SamCogar wrote:Indiscriminately shooting rockets into Israeli territories seems like a weird way of trying to get those false imprisonment and indefinite detentioned Palestinians out of jail, don’t you think?

Steph, I wuv ya, but you are arguing an emotional "cause" and not a logical one.

Stephanie wrote:Holy crap, sometimes I forget who I have shared particular thoughts with. Yesterday, when my husband got home from work I told him of what Thomas had said and our converstation here and my thoughts on "what America should do about Israel." He had never heard me say this before, even though it is an idea I either came up with or "stole" at least two years ago. Discussing politics makes him miserable so we don't very often, but surely I had told him this.

Perhaps I never stated it here. I will do so now.

I would like to see the United States immediately cease international aid except for humanitarian purposes. Actually, I'd like to see that stop too but we won't go there.

Israel is a special circumstance and I recognize that. If we stop funding Israel, and cease sending the money to other nations that currently placates them, the situation for Israelis may turn pretty ugly PDQ. At least that's what all of the Zionists say, and who am I to argue? They may be correct and if they are correct it is partially America's responsibility because we picked a side and funded and armed it with billions and billions of US dollars and provided them a sense of security for decades. To just turn our back on them would be wrong.

Given Israel's history, and the fact that it has refused to abide by international law, there is no reason to believe that the Israeli government will suddenly capitulate and live within its international recognized borders and they are very unlikely to recognize Palestinians right of return and it is likely that some of Israel's enemies will attack causing many Israeli fatalities.

What I propose is, offer the Israeli Jews a limited time offer to emigrate to America. We're not going to support you militarily or financially any more, but Israeli citizens have a one year window of opportunity to emigrate to the USA. This provides those Israelis without passports to other nations a place to go should they no longer feel safe in Israel.

Some will stay. Some will return to the nation of their birth and take their children with them. Some will come here. Those that choose to come here can become naturalized citizens if they choose, but they must give up their Israeli citizenship to do so.

My husband had a freaking cow. I think it's a brilliant idea. He thinks we should just stop funding Israel, period, dot, end of story. I find that option extremely appealing, but worry there are some who would want to leave but have no place to go. Let them come here.

ohio county wrote:I don't want to pay for it, either.

Jerusalem was capital and spiritual home for the Jews before time began. Are the Palestinians an indigenous people?

Stephanie wrote:Oh, there are plenty of villians and victims on both sides, Cato.

I don't want to pay for it.