Palestinians and Libertarians

Stephanie wrote:How much money and weapons did the US send North Korea last year?

How much are they sending North Korea this year?

How much will the US send next year?

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "the Philistine Syria" using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

Cato wrote:

Stephanie wrote:How much money and weapons did the US send North Korea last year?

How much are they sending North Korea this year?

How much will the US send next year?

I thought we settled the money issue already. As a reminder, in case you forgot, we both agree that the US should not be sending money to either side.

My point was the reasonableness of condemning Israel for killing 9 people, mostlikely terrorists, though we don't know for a fact, and not equally condemning North Korea for its act of agression, killing 40 some sailors.

Stephanie wrote:

Cato wrote:

Stephanie wrote:How much money and weapons did the US send North Korea last year?

How much are they sending North Korea this year?

How much will the US send next year?

I thought we settled the money issue already. As a reminder, in case you forgot, we both agree that the US should not be sending money to either side.

My point was the reasonableness of condemning Israel for killing 9 people, mostlikely terrorists, though we don't know for a fact, and not equally condemning North Korea for its act of agression, killing 40 some sailors.

My point is that we're funding and supplying the Israeli military with BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars each year. We are NOT funding and supplying North Korea. I don't understand what it is that you don't get about that. If my government were confiscating money from our citizens and sending tanks and bombs etc to North Korea you'd hear me complaining about that. If you want to hear me gripe about the Koreas, you're going to hear me bitch about the thousands of troops we have guarding THEIR border instead of OURS.

You assume they were terrorists. In your mind, anybody who provides any kind of aid to the people of Gaza are terrorists. In case you had forgotten, they murdered an American citizen and this country should demand a thorough investigation.

Stpehanie, you'd do yourself a favor is you'd learn to read. Like Ziggy you see what you want and comprehend what you want, instead of what is said. So, First, I said those killed were mostlikely terrorists, I also said, that we did not know that for a fact. I come to the conclusion I came based on the media reports. I assumed nothing.

ziggy wrote:

Stpehanie, you'd do yourself a favor is you'd learn to read. Like Ziggy you see what you want and comprehend what you want, instead of what is said. So, First, I said those killed were mostlikely terrorists, I also said, that we did not know that for a fact. I come to the conclusion I came based on the media reports. I assumed nothing.

What did "the media reports" say that would cause any thinking person to conclude that those killed were most likely "terrorists"?

Stephanie wrote:We're not aiding the North Korean government in their war crimes. We're not funding them, we're not supplying them, and we're not providing them shelter from international retribution.

I don't know how I can possibly make myself any more clear.

Stephanie wrote:We (USA) have tens of thousands of troops in South Korea. North Korea is under sanctions, and has been for years. Short of the US launching a military strike against North Korea, I fail to see just what our government could possibly do to North Korea that it hasn't already done.

Compare that with Israel, Cato.

Do you want our government to launch an attack against North Korea? I do not.

I want to stop sending Israel cash, weapons, and bullets. Don't you?

SheikBen wrote:Settle down there, Cato.

Some folks agree more passionately than others:)

Cato wrote:

Stephanie wrote:We (USA) have tens of thousands of troops in South Korea. North Korea is under sanctions, and has been for years. Short of the US launching a military strike against North Korea, I fail to see just what our government could possibly do to North Korea that it hasn't already done.

Compare that with Israel, Cato.

Do you want our government to launch an attack against North Korea? I do not.

I want to stop sending Israel cash, weapons, and bullets. Don't you?

Stephanie, Are you on drugs or just plain stupid? Let's try this again. I AGREE, you know, AGREE with you, that I do not want either my tax dollars to troops stationed anywhere in the world. I have said that, umpteen times now. I'm not talking about the US being involved in anyway shape or form. Now, I hope your tiny little brain has absorbed the fact that we agree on the money and troops issue.

What I want you to explain to me is why you hold Israel and the US to a different standard of behavior than the rest of the world. You express total disgust at Israel's actions and yet say very little about Iran or North Korea or China and its actions. I will agree that neither the US or Israel is perfect and mistakes are made. However, Iran, North Korea, and China, to name a few are blatant in their actions and tyranny. Why aren't you pointing at these regimes witht he same disgust you hold for Israel ot the US?

Stephanie wrote:

Cato wrote:

Stephanie wrote:We (USA) have tens of thousands of troops in South Korea. North Korea is under sanctions, and has been for years. Short of the US launching a military strike against North Korea, I fail to see just what our government could possibly do to North Korea that it hasn't already done.

Compare that with Israel, Cato.

Do you want our government to launch an attack against North Korea? I do not.

I want to stop sending Israel cash, weapons, and bullets. Don't you?

Stephanie, Are you on drugs or just plain stupid? Let's try this again. I AGREE, you know, AGREE with you, that I do not want either my tax dollars to troops stationed anywhere in the world. I have said that, umpteen times now. I'm not talking about the US being involved in anyway shape or form. Now, I hope your tiny little brain has absorbed the fact that we agree on the money and troops issue.

What I want you to explain to me is why you hold Israel and the US to a different standard of behavior than the rest of the world. You express total disgust at Israel's actions and yet say very little about Iran or North Korea or China and its actions. I will agree that neither the US or Israel is perfect and mistakes are made. However, Iran, North Korea, and China, to name a few are blatant in their actions and tyranny. Why aren't you pointing at these regimes witht he same disgust you hold for Israel ot the US?

I'm not the one holding different standards of behavior for different countries, Cato. That would be the US government.

Just what do you suppose our government can do to alter North Korean behavior that it isn't already doing? Short of launching a military attack, I see no additional punitive measures the US can take. Now you want to throw Iran & even China into the mix. We can say the same thing about Iran.......what additional steps can the US government take against Iran?

China is a different story altogether. China has MFN trade status, now that is something I suppose our government could use in an attempt to get the Chinese government to behave more responsbily if not for all the notes they hold. For crying out loud, Cato, you talk about my small brain and what kind of drugs you think I may be taking, have you considered what the Chinese can do to us, what position the twits on the Hill have put us in with the Chinese?

Perhaps if and when we stop sending billions and billions of dollars to Israel, not to mention the billions more we send to Israel's enemies, and the billions more we're spending guarding the border between the Koreas, we could do something to reduce our debt to China. For crying out loud, Cato, a couple of summers back don't you recall China's threats to the US when our government discussed the possibility of increasing inspections and slapping restrictions on toxic products China is shipping here?

You need to extract your head from the sand (or where ever it is you have it buried) and see the big picture. You need to face the reality of the situation.

Stephanie wrote:What can "we" do about China, North Korea or Iran?

Typically, who does the North Korean government hurt? Who does the Iranian government typically harm? These nations hurt their own people. They oppress their own citizens. That is tragic, but it isn't our business. They aren't using our money to do it. We don't even purchase oil from Iran.

Short of launching military strikes against North Korea & Iran, I see little to nothing the United States of America or her people can do about their bad behavior. I don't see that as being the case with Israel.

I don't know why you can't understand that. I don't complain as much about those countries for the two reasons I've stated before.....they aren't using US taxpayer money to fund their aggression. Israel is using our money and weapons they receive from the United States.

I don't want our government to strike North Korea or Iran. If we yell loud enough perhaps that's what the brain drain in Washington will do. I'm not willing to risk it.

If we yell loud enough about US money funding the ethnic cleansing of the Holy Land, perhaps that will change.

All that aside, when was the last time North Korea, China, or Iran killed a US citizen? When was the last time North Korea, China or Iran kidnapped and detained a US citizen from anywhere other than within the internationally recognized borders of their own country? Israel has done it many times.

Cato wrote:

ziggy wrote:

Stpehanie, you'd do yourself a favor is you'd learn to read. Like Ziggy you see what you want and comprehend what you want, instead of what is said. So, First, I said those killed were mostlikely terrorists, I also said, that we did not know that for a fact. I come to the conclusion I came based on the media reports. I assumed nothing.

What did "the media reports" say that would cause any thinking person to conclude that those killed were most likely "terrorists"?

Both CNN and Fox reported that some of those on the Flotilla were known associates with known terrorist groups.

By the way, I know you think the media is not news it is entertainment according to you, especially if they say something you don't happen to agree with. But that is what was said, so you take it for what its worth.

ziggy wrote:
If that's what was "said", then it isn't worth very much.

So "known associates" of "known terrorists" are to automatically be considered terrorists by thinking people? Having and sharing common political aims, even common political hatreds, does not equate to sharing common methods. The crew of a ship bearing humanitarian supplies- even if encouraged by "known terrorists" to deliver those humanitarian supplies- should not be consisered terrorists unless they perform actions that are acts of terror. Attempting to deliver humanitarian supplies- even if it means attempting to run a military bloakade- is not an act of terrorism. And all the words of all your beloved propagandists at your beloved CNN and FOX do not make it so.

Stephanie wrote:I know for a FACT those boats were NOT entering Israeli waters and once again the Israeli government played judge, jury and executioner.

I can't believe the God of the Bible would be pleased at all of this bloodshed for wealth and power.

Stephanie wrote:Oh, there it goes.

How about for their hypocrisy? Never again my ass.

I have told you WHY, Cato. I don't care if you don't like the answer.

Stephanie wrote:I know for a FACT those boats were NOT entering Israeli waters and once again the Israeli government played judge, jury and executioner.

I can't believe the God of the Bible would be pleased at all of this bloodshed for wealth and power.

Keli wrote:

Stephanie wrote:I know for a FACT those boats were NOT entering Israeli waters and once again the Israeli government played judge, jury and executioner.

I can't believe the God of the Bible would be pleased at all of this bloodshed for wealth and power.

Wealth and power? How about health and security? How many rockets and mortars do the Gazans fire into Israel everyday? Th fanatical Arabs want nothing less than the total destruction of the state of Israel--every man woman and child. The people of Germany and Poland said, "Why don't the Jews go back to Israel?" The UN agreed with the idea. Now, the world wants them dead? And, the world and many libertarians condone it.