Proof Obama is a Muslim

1. The "my muslim faith" interview slip up with Snufflelufogus, and quick correction by Snuffles. When have you as a Christian ever make such a mistake?

2. Calling the Koran, the "Holy Koran." What Christian ever refers to another religions' book as "Holy"? We only call one book Holy, the Holy Bible. When we refer to other religious books we just call them their name.

3. The Muslim call to prayer being one of the prettiest sounds on earth. Do you as a Christian believe that?

4. Three times a day Obama goes into a separate room in the White House without anyone else for a short period of time. Muslims outside of Islamic lands can instead of having to pray five times a day, can if they are outside Islamic lands instead pray three times a day. And yes Michelle goes into a separate room and does the same thing.

5. Bowing to the Saudi King as a subject under Islam.

6. Regular interviews with old school buddies explaining how Obama was a devout Muslim, discussing how he would pray in their families' prayer rooms in Indonesia (the largest Muslim country on earth).

7. Being registered at the St Francis Assisi school in Indonesia as a Muslim. Parents could choose to register kids either as Christians or Muslims.

8. Remember the first dog being flown on a separate jet? What do Muslims think of dogs? Perhaps we can see why it took over 6 months for him to even pick one?

9. What Obama is doing to the US Bank system. Punishment for not having sharia law lending practices, collecting interest, etc.

10. First thing in office, dropping every govt agency from using 'Islamic fanatics' from their vocabularies.

11. Most of his family is Muslim. Discussed in his book about that, discussed how proud he was of his brother converting to Islam.

If looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and sounds like a duck--it probably is a duck!

Source?

ziggy wrote:Source?

The newspaper...do you read? It figures.

Yep, here and elsewhere- even FOXNEWS. And I discount what of it I find suspect in "The news" unless I can find a credible source that convinces me the report is based in and represents actual facts.

ziggy wrote:Yep, here and elsewhere- even FOXNEWS. And I discount what of it I find suspect in "The news" unless I can find a credible source that convinces me the report is based in and represents actual facts.

Each of these are separate events that took place. Anybody who follows the news an verify them. Therefore, do your own research or simply reject what you don't like. I don't care.

3. The Muslim call to prayer being one of the prettiest sounds on earth. Do you as a Christian believe that?

What "news" was that in?

Without further credible accreditation I reject # 1 through # 11.

But I agree with the summation- that duck-like looks, waddles and quacks help to define a duck.

I think there is a very real possibility that Obama may very well be a Muslim. I was watching when he made the "My Muslim faith" statement to George Snuffleupagus and that is what my gut told me then.

This is my favorite response to the question "What if Barrack Obama is a Muslim?"

Saying that, I do have to say that if he is a Muslim and I understand why he feels like he has to hide his faith, his dishonesty does go to his character and I do have a problem with that.

Regardless, I hope and pray that he, along with Nancy, Harry and a few other choice liberals soon become join the 10% of Americans currently out of work.

What makes one a Muslim? What makes one a Christian?

You claim to be a christian so what makes you one?

1. The "my muslim faith" interview slip up with Snufflelufogus, and quick correction by Snuffles. When have you as a Christian ever make such a mistake?

So is everyone a Christian who says he or she is- whether by honesty or "slip up"?

2. Calling the Koran, the "Holy Koran." What Christian ever refers to another religions' book as "Holy"? We only call one book Holy, the Holy Bible. When we refer to other religious books we just call them their name.

Kind of like Goerge Bush calling Islam a "religion of peace"?

3. The Muslim call to prayer being one of the prettiest sounds on earth. Do you as a Christian believe that?

Why not believe that?

4. Three times a day Obama goes into a separate room in the White House without anyone else for a short period of time. Muslims outside of Islamic lands can instead of having to pray five times a day, can if they are outside Islamic lands instead pray three times a day. And yes Michelle goes into a separate room and does the same thing.

Three times a day- sometimes more- I go into a separate room here by myself. So does my wife. And I suspect that we are doing pretty much the "same thing"- though we do not spy on each other to see.

5. Bowing to the Saudi King as a subject under Islam.

And reportedly Bush bowed to the Saudi King. Is Bush a Muslim, too?

6. Regular interviews with old school buddies explaining how Obama was a devout Muslim, discussing how he would pray in their families' prayer rooms in Indonesia (the largest Muslim country on earth).

When in Rome do as the Romans do ..............................

7. Being registered at the St Francis Assisi school in Indonesia as a Muslim. Parents could choose to register kids either as Christians or Muslims.

His parent(s) may have wanted him to be a Muslim. But does that make him a Muslim?

8. Remember the first dog being flown on a separate jet? What do Muslims think of dogs? Perhaps we can see why it took over 6 months for him to even pick one?

If he were really Muslim, would he even have a dog?

9. What Obama is doing to the US Bank system. Punishment for not having sharia law lending practices, collecting interest, etc.

WTF ????????????????????????

10. First thing in office, dropping every govt agency from using 'Islamic fanatics' from their vocabularies.

You mean that Bush allowed that- for the religion of peace, no less?

11. Most of his family is Muslim. Discussed in his book about that, discussed how proud he was of his brother converting to Islam.

I have a cousin who I wish would give up his heathen ways and convert to anything- whether a Hell's Angel or a Southern Baptist- so he wouldn't spend his time womanizing and doing meth and other such drugs. What's that; Hell's Angel's and Southern Baptists womanize and do drugs too? Never mind ..........................

If looks like a duck, waddles like a duck and sounds like a duck--it probably is a duck

You got one out of twelve right- 8.33 percent. Normally that would earn you and F. But since you are a good guy, Keli, I'll give you and F + so you'll be encouraged to do better.

Aaron wrote:You claim to be a christian so what makes you one?

Your question makes my point- that one's religion is whatever one says it is- nothing more, nothing less. Keli can't define Obama's religion any more than Obama can define Keli's religion.

As my dear old daddy used to say, "Actions speak a hell of a lot louder then words." I have an opinion that is based on President Obama's actions. It seems to me the same can be said for Kele. That does not mean either of us are trying to define religion.

Americans and society have acceptable standards that guide many things, including religion. Whether it be Christianity or Islam, individuals do not define the religion. On that front, I disagree with you. As such, it seems to me that the only person attempting to define religion is you.

As such, it seems to me that the only person attempting to define religion is you.

Look at Keli's 1st post on this topic. He absolutely seeks to define Obama's religion as Muslim. All I am saying is to let Obama and everyone else define their own religion.

Whether it be Christianity or Islam, individuals do not define the religion.

Wrong! People do absolutely define their own religions.

ziggy wrote:

As such, it seems to me that the only person attempting to define religion is you.

Look at Keli's 1st post on this topic. He absolutely seeks to define Obama's religion as Muslim. All I am saying is to let Obama and everyone else define their own religion.

If I drive a red car and call it blue, is it blue because I defined it that way?

ziggy wrote:

Whether it be Christianity or Islam, individuals do not define the religion.

Wrong! People do absolutely define their own religions.

Do I define colors as well? I am now African American. Where's my college fund as my mind is now a terrible thing to waste.

Do I define colors as well? I am now African American.

Not that it matters, but that's OK with me.

My statement is as absurb as yours Ziggy. Society accepts neither.

I don't care what your society "accepts" in this regard. But the fact is that most Americans individually define their own religion. How? Very simply, by how they choose to live their lives.

And when "society" seeks to define my religion, then that society can go to hell.

Once again, you are the only one doing the defining here. If you claim to be a Christian, then that comes with the knowledge of what society accepts as Christianity. What you cannot do is claim to be a Christian and then expect others to disregard what is universally accepted as Christianity and conform to what you believe Christianity to be.

Well, I take that back. You can claim to be a Christian but you really shouldn't get your panties in a wad when your called out for as a fraud for making such an absurb claim.

..................................... universally accepted as Christianity .........................................

Which doctrines of Christianity are "universally accepted"? The idea of "universal Christianity" is as absurd as that of "universal Democrat" or "Universal Republican".

You can claim to be a Christian but you really shouldn't get your panties in a wad when your called out for as a fraud for making such an absurb claim.

So what qualifies you, or me, or anyone else, to determine that someone else either is or is not a Christian?

You're the one trying to define what is and isn't religion Ziggy. What qualifies you to make that determination?

What you cannot do is claim to be a Christian and then expect others to disregard what is universally accepted as Christianity and conform to what you believe Christianity to be.

Of course I can't do that. Can't you read my plain words? I have said all along that it is up to the INDIVIDUAL to decide for him or her self what religion means to him or her. I would no more allow you to define my Christianity than I would seek to define yours. It is a personal choice to, as Cato says, to pick and choose what we believe.

As the Church of God preacher who married Ms. Ziggy and me used to ask pointedly at some point in almost every sermon, "What kind of Christian ought you be?" The question very succinctly says that it is up to each of us to decide what kind of Christian we are or will be, or if any at all.

Aaron wrote:You're the one trying to define what is and isn't religion Ziggy. What qualifies you to make that determination?

I make that determination only for myself. How or why am I qualified to so so? Because I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul.

Others can make that determination for themselves. What qualifies them to make that determination for me?