ONLY GREENS DEFENDING ASSANGE- GOP & DEMS ATTACK

The Democratic Party no longer deserves its name, any more than Republicans deserve to call themselves "the party of Lincoln." Over and again, Obama caves in to the demands of the Republican Right, putting up not even a feeble fight for what the public believed were his principles on health care and taxation. Only the emerging Green Party takes the traditional progressive stance, as indicated by its support of Julian Assange.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/GREENS-DEFENDING-ASSANGE-W-by-Sherwood-Ross-101209-934.html

I rather like these leaked documents, one of which seems to have vindicated George W Bush (see Larry Elder's column).

I am not of the belief that deceit and flattery are good diplomatic qualities, so I am glad the "cover is off." I see no reason why foreign leaders should think we like them if we don't or admire them if we don't.

I don't think Assange should be prosecuted, I think we should be more upfront in the first place, and if we cannot be, then at least be more careful in the first place.

SheikBen wrote:I rather like these leaked documents, one of which seems to have vindicated George W Bush (see Larry Elder's column).

I am not of the belief that deceit and flattery are good diplomatic qualities, so I am glad the "cover is off." I see no reason why foreign leaders should think we like them if we don't or admire them if we don't.

I don't think Assange should be prosecuted, I think we should be more upfront in the first place, and if we cannot be, then at least be more careful in the first place.

Very well said, Ben.

Libertarians and libertarian leaning Republicans have defended him. I'n not going to criticize him, but I would be much more supportive if he were an American citizen.

Stephanie wrote:Libertarians and libertarian leaning Republicans have defended him. I'n not going to criticize him, but I would be much more supportive if he were an American citizen.

I use to have many libertarian leanings and believed strongly in the libertarian stance on many issues, but anymore I have come to question what the world these people do stand for. They supposedly stand for basic human rights of which the right to life is the most basic and important yet they support abortion an afront to human life. They stand for liberty and yet don't seem willing to defend it. They stand for doing things in a consitutional manner, yet the politicans that call themselves libertarian are just as corrupted and hypocritical as any democrat or republican.

No Stephanie you can get all loed up to Assage and those who support him all you want, but the one fact will remain, he's a murderer not to mention an enemy of this nation and whoever supplied him with the documents is a traitor.

he's a murderer

Now Willy, that a littlr brash, is it not.

As far as I am concerned, there is very little info contained in those documents that most people didn't already know about or at the least suspect occurred or was happening.

And our enemies really don't need any of that info as a reason for killing anyone.

SamCogar wrote:

he's a murderer

Now Willy, that a littlr brash, is it not.

Nah

They supposedly stand for basic human rights of which the right to life is the most basic and important yet they support abortion an afront to human life.

Not all libertarians are pro-abortion, Cato. What is it with people trying to fit everybody into neat little boxes? Every libertarian is pro-abortion. Every Muslim in a radical American hating lunatic.

No Stephanie you can get all loed up to Assage and those who support him all you want, but the one fact will remain, he's a murderer not to mention an enemy of this nation and whoever supplied him with the documents is a traitor.

Why is Assage a murderer? You're going to have to explain that one to me. He published newsworthy documents. That makes him a journalist. Why is Woodward an award winning icon but Assage a villian?

Cato wrote:

SamCogar wrote:

he's a murderer

Now Willy, that a littlr brash, is it not.

Nah

Willy, those responsible for locking him up, shutting down his web sites, freezing his bank accounts, terminating his Credit Cards, etc, etc. ..... will be the ones that are responsible for any number of dastardly deeds perpetrated by his fans and supporters on account of the way he is being treated, singled out, discriminated against and unduly persecuted in the world press, etc.

But me thinks that is "part of the plan".

Stephanie wrote:

They supposedly stand for basic human rights of which the right to life is the most basic and important yet they support abortion an afront to human life.

Not all libertarians are pro-abortion, Cato. What is it with people trying to fit everybody into neat little boxes? Every libertarian is pro-abortion. Every Muslim in a radical American hating lunatic.

No Stephanie you can get all loed up to Assage and those who support him all you want, but the one fact will remain, he's a murderer not to mention an enemy of this nation and whoever supplied him with the documents is a traitor.

Why is Assage a murderer? You're going to have to explain that one to me. He published newsworthy documents. That makes him a journalist. Why is Woodward an award winning icon but Assage a villian?

He is a murderer the same way that Rove was for releasing the name of top secret double-naught spy, Valerie Plame.

Oh, did Rove have Valerie Flame murdered? How could all of us here except Cato have missed that?

Stephanie wrote:

They supposedly stand for basic human rights of which the right to life is the most basic and important yet they support abortion an afront to human life.

Not all libertarians are pro-abortion, Cato. What is it with people trying to fit everybody into neat little boxes? Every libertarian is pro-abortion. Every Muslim in a radical American hating lunatic.

A woman's right to choose whether or not their unborn baby is aborted is a plank of the libertarian platform. Am I not correct? If one is going to wear the name libertairian then obviously they must agree with the libertarian platform, thus they must agree with that part of the libertarian platform. One can't set on hte fence with issues, they either agree or they don't. If they don't agree with said platform or part of platform then why do they wear the name libertarian? It seem to me hypocritical to call one's self something and not agree with their agenda.

The same is ture of the muslim world. If the majority of muslims are so peace loving why in heaven's name isn't the outcry long and loud. I can't accept they are all gutless cowards, thus the only conclusion I come to is that a majority of muslims agree witht he violance against the west, especially the United States.

Stephanie wrote:

No Stephanie you can get all loved up to Assage and those who support him all you want, but the one fact will remain, he's a murderer not to mention an enemy of this nation and whoever supplied him with the documents is a traitor.

Why is Assage a murderer? You're going to have to explain that one to me. He published newsworthy documents. That makes him a journalist. Why is Woodward an award winning icon but Assage a villian?

We have no clue what all was contained in the documents that have been released. If the release of the documents cause the death of one person for any reason, then Assage is a murderer.

ziggy wrote:Oh, did Rove have Valerie Flame murdered? How could all of us here except Cato have missed that?

Go back to sleep Ziggy.

Cato wrote:We have no clue what all was contained in the documents that have been released. If the release of the documents cause the death of one person for any reason, then Assage is a murderer.

WOW, Willy, then there sure have been bunches n' bunches of Christians that
never did and ain't gonna make it to Heaven because of them being a murderer and never repenting their dastardly act.

And those murderous acts commenced way back when, to wit:

Tyndale showed up on Luther's doorstep in 1525, and by year's end had translated the New Testament into English. Tyndale was fluent in eight languages and is considered by many to be the primary architect of today's English language. Already hunted because of the rumor spread abroad that such a project was underway, inquisitors and bounty hunters were on Tyndale's trail to abort the effort. God foiled their plans, and in 1525/6 Tyndale printed the first English New Testament. They were burned as soon as the Bishop could confiscate them, but copies trickled through and actually ended up in the bedroom of King Henry VIII. The more the King and Bishop resisted its distribution, the more fascinated the public at large became. The church declared it contained thousands of errors as they torched hundreds of New Testaments confiscated by the clergy, while in fact, they burned them because they could find no errors at all. One risked death by burning if caught in mere possession of Tyndale's forbidden books.

http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/81.htm

And regular Christians and Christian Missionaries have been releasing Biblical documents ever since.

Sam that's a fascinating thought. The effects of a given action, out of the hands of the actor, are not necessarily his doing or "sin," if you would. I'm far from convinced that Assange's documents have cost a single human life, and even further from convinced that this was remotely his intention. If you want to take Cato's reasoning "all the way," not only Tyndale but Thomas Paine are culprits.

Of course, if Assange intends for people to die through his actions that is quite a different matter. As it is, I don't see how any of us should at all pissed at him. My frustration is that some low level sap had the ability to get this stuff to Assange in the first place.

That is, Assange ain't the leak. He doesn't work for the US government. And if'n we think foreign leaders are tools but we want to work with them anyway, why not have the cajones to say so?

My frustration is that some low level sap had the ability to get this stuff to Assange in the first place.

I agree with Aaron- there was someone or several someones with higher rank than a PFC that enabled this to happen.

Cato wrote:

ziggy wrote:Oh, did Rove have Valerie Flame murdered? How could all of us here except Cato have missed that?

Go back to sleep Ziggy.

Naw, it's too early in the day and too much coffee to do that.

ziggy wrote:

My frustration is that some low level sap had the ability to get this stuff to Assange in the first place.

I agree with Aaron- there was someone or several someones with higher rank than a PFC that enabled this to happen.

Well of course, lower level saps in the military are always "enabled" by higher ranking saps. Those folks are as responsible or more so.

Although the "I agree with Aaron" part is my favorite yet from Zig. I think I will make it my signature for awhile:)

Cato wrote:

ziggy wrote:Oh, did Rove have Valerie Flame murdered? How could all of us here except Cato have missed that?

Go back to sleep Ziggy.

Go back to school, Cato.

Do you not get the difference between "Libertarian" and "libertarian"? Aside from that, do you really and truly believe that every person affiliated with the GOP agrees with every line of the "party platform"? I'm a member of the WVGOP. I did not attend the meeting this year, but have no doubt they included the same bullshit in their party platform this year as they have previous years about "marriage being between one man and one woman". They also probably included a line about how they want to pass legislation to institute the death penalty in WV. That's what their document says, so that must be what I believe because I am affiliated with them. Bullshit.

You need to get your head out of the sand or where ever it is you currently have it buried. Assange is not a murderer, he isn't even a spy. He likely isn't guilty of any sex crime either. The whole of the universe is being turned inside out to keep Mr. Assange behind bars and away from the internet and his fellow man to prevent him from obtaining or releasing any more "documents".

I need to see if this works.

Nope! Darn.

You always make me smile, Mike.

What I am saying is not that someone enabled the PFC to leak this information, I'm saying that it was planned out and approved not only to release information but exactly what information to release by many people with higer pay grades then a PFC. If the PFC played a role at all, it was as a pawn.

Stephanie wrote:
Go back to school, Cato.

Do you not get the difference between "Libertarian" and "libertarian"?

A capital letter means nothing

Stephanie wrote:

Aside from that, do you really and truly believe that every person affiliated with the GOP agrees with every line of the "party platform"? I'm a member of the WVGOP. I did not attend the meeting this year, but have no doubt they included the same bullshit in their party platform this year as they have previous years about "marriage being between one man and one woman". They also probably included a line about how they want to pass legislation to institute the death penalty in WV. That's what their document says, so that must be what I believe because I am affiliated with them. Bullshit.

If you don't hold to their agenda, why do you wear their name?

Stephanie wrote:
You need to get your head out of the sand or where ever it is you currently have it buried. Assange is not a murderer, he isn't even a spy. He likely isn't guilty of any sex crime either. The whole of the universe is being turned inside out to keep Mr. Assange behind bars and away from the internet and his fellow man to prevent him from obtaining or releasing any more "documents".

If his acts cause a death, and they will, if they haven't already, he is.