Most Open Administration in History

Stephanie,

Should you be afraid of all white men? The answer is, of course.

Cato is correct that a great many people, including blacks, voted for Obama because he was black, and this is proof of racism. No doubt. That is one for Cato.

However, Cato, the great bulk of folks did not vote for Obama because he was black but rather because they were sweeped up by the charlatan. I really see little different in Obama than I see in the corrupt leadership of WVA in past decades--they do nothing for the groups they claim to represent, such that the conditions in West Virginia hollars and the inner cities do not change or perhaps even get worse, and yet the same duped folks continue to elect the same hucksters to office never realizing that they've done them no good.

Stephanie wrote:Race did not elect Barack Obama.

AAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW, ....... GIVE US A BREAK, ....... Steph, ....... it absolutely positively sure did get Barack Obama elected POTUS.

Obama sure as hell wasn't elected POTUS because of the contents of his resume.

I'm not afraid of young black men. I suspect they have little to no interest in a frumpy, overweight, middle-aged housewife.

Maybe, but do you know why? A now deceased truck driving friend of mine from St. Louie, Mo, told me, ............ that "white women have sex because they have to, ...... whereas black women have sex because they like to".

You're the one who doesn't see himself clearly when looking in a mirror. You are a bigot. You prejudge people based upon factors like color and religion and sexual orientation. You think you are better than people who don't look, think, and believe like you.

Stephanie, please tell me, ...... what is the difference in prejudging people you meet on the street and prejudging dogs (canines) you meet on the street?

Do you know anyone that DOESN'T prejudge a dog they see coming down the street toward them? If not, why not?

Is color, religion or sexual orientation a factor in their prejudging of a dog or is it mostly the breed (race) of the dog that is the front and foremost criteria?

Barack Obama was elected, in large part, because of his speech writers.

Unless a dog is snarling or growling or charging, I am not afraid of dogs, Sam. I have owned 2 very sweet rotts (1 German, 1 American) and an extremely sweet dobie. My first husband's grandmother had the sweetest dog I ever knew and she was a pit bull.

OK .......

Cato is correct that a great many people, including blacks, voted for Obama because he was black, and this is proof of racism. No doubt. That is one for Cato.

I'm not disputing that, Mike. I am stating that there were plenty of people who voted against him because he is black. Some of my in-laws cast their very first ballot EVER for a Republican candidate for President because Obama is black.

I don't believe his color got him elected. He is a pretty good story teller. You know, he read all those fairy tales on the campaign trail and people bought 'em.

SheikBen wrote:Stephanie,


However, Cato, the great bulk of folks did not vote for Obama because he was black but rather because they were sweeped up by the charlatan. I really see little different in Obama than I see in the corrupt leadership of WVA in past decades--they do nothing for the groups they claim to represent, such that the conditions in West Virginia hollars and the inner cities do not change or perhaps even get worse, and yet the same duped folks continue to elect the same hucksters to office never realizing that they've done them no good.

There is no question Obama is a charlatan. I openly admit that. However, there is little question in my mind that race played a big role in helping Obama get elected. I seem to remember that nearly everytime he was challenged on his views and policies the race card came out.

Stephanie wrote:

Cato is correct that a great many people, including blacks, voted for Obama because he was black, and this is proof of racism. No doubt. That is one for Cato.

I'm not disputing that, Mike. I am stating that there were plenty of people who voted against him because he is black. Some of my in-laws cast their very first ballot EVER for a Republican candidate for President because Obama is black.

I don't believe his color got him elected. He is a pretty good story teller. You know, he read all those fairy tales on the campaign trail and people bought 'em.

I didn't vote for Obama because he is a Maxist. Yet, when you attempt to explain to most why you didn't support the man, you are a racist. I can no longer count how many times I have been referred to as a racist or bigot. Yet, I would vote for a man like Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, or Clarence Thomas over most all the white politicans I know or follow.

Yes, Stephanie I also know people who didn't vote for Obama because he was black. Is that being racist, yes it is. However, that doesn't change the fact a vast majority of the black community votes for the man simply because of his skin color, which is equally racist, especially if they went against their convictions to do so.

I think you guys are discounting the role John McCain, George W. Bush and voter apathy played in the elction of Barrack Obama.

That's a good point, Aaron. Bush's approval ratings tanked for a good reason - that "compassionate conservative" BS didn't play well to anybody but a couple metrosexual undecideds in 2008. Bush was nearly as big on big government as Obama. And McCain was no different.

Aaron wrote:I think you guys are discounting the role John McCain, George W. Bush and voter apathy played in the elction of Barrack Obama.

WHAT, ........ you didn't include Sarah Palin?

ohio county wrote:That's a good point, Aaron. Bush's approval ratings tanked for a good reason - that "compassionate conservative" BS didn't play well to anybody but a couple metrosexual undecideds in 2008. Bush was nearly as big on big government as Obama. And McCain was no different.

And I don't think I have ever said otherwise. So far as who was to be elected goes, be it McCain or Obama, the same big government, antiliberty, imperalistic mentality would have been in control. Sarah Palin was the only breath of fresh air in the race for the presidency in 2008. that is because she was preached smaller less intrusive government. However, that does not change the fact that race became a major factor in electing the creep we have now.

Someshere in stuff I keep, I have a copy of interviews done, one with Obama the other with Palin. Obama's questions were general in nature and never required him to take a stand, Palin's were direct and required to take and defend stands. In my opinion the interviewer was so bitten by Obama and the fact of electing the first black president, he avoided anything that would jeperdize his election. That is also racism.

Obama's questions were general in nature and never required him to take a stand, Palin's were direct and required to take and defend stands. In my opinion the interviewer was so bitten by Obama and the fact of electing the first black president, he avoided anything that would jeperdize his election. That is also racism.

Great observation, Willy.

Most people, like Terry RC, will avert their eyes to such dastardly devious conduct of the media or whoever.

Was that because Obama is black or because he was the Democrat?
The entire thing is so freaking ridiculous anyway because Governor Palin was #2 on the ticket.

Stephanie wrote:Was that because Obama is black or because he was the Democrat?

To some degree because he was a democrat and to a large degree because he was a BLACK democrat.

Stephanie wrote:The entire thing is so freaking ridiculous anyway because Governor Palin was #2 on the ticket.

So!!

Cato wrote:

ohio county wrote:That's a good point, Aaron. Bush's approval ratings tanked for a good reason - that "compassionate conservative" BS didn't play well to anybody but a couple metrosexual undecideds in 2008. Bush was nearly as big on big government as Obama. And McCain was no different.

And I don't think I have ever said otherwise. So far as who was to be elected goes, be it McCain or Obama, the same big government, antiliberty, imperalistic mentality would have been in control. Sarah Palin was the only breath of fresh air in the race for the presidency in 2008. that is because she was preached smaller less intrusive government. However, that does not change the fact that race became a major factor in electing the creep we have now.

Someshere in stuff I keep, I have a copy of interviews done, one with Obama the other with Palin. Obama's questions were general in nature and never required him to take a stand, Palin's were direct and required to take and defend stands. In my opinion the interviewer was so bitten by Obama and the fact of electing the first black president, he avoided anything that would jeperdize his election. That is also racism.

Al Gore received the same preferential treatment from the media in 2000, John Kerry more so in 2004. In addition to softball questions for liberal candidates, the media changed the subject of the conversation for to benefit liberal candidates. In 2004, they wanted to talk about how bad the war was going but in 2008, after the surge worked, they changed the topic to the economic crisis and fuel prices and as a result, undermined consumer confidence.

On a side note, I honestly believe the economy went the way it did because of all the negative talk in the media and that includes a higher unemployment rate as companies used the continued talk as a reason for laying employees off to increase profits. As a result, many campanies are strapped with cash today but use this liberal administration and claimed economic uncertainity to hold onto that cash.

Saying all of that, I don't believe race played as much a role as the fact that the media wanted a liberal candidate. John Edwards would have received the EXACT same treatment.

The problem with conservatives insisting race played a role is that you give the left ammunition to accuse the right of racism. If the right would just shut up about race, Obama wouldn't have an out.

This thread is the perfect example. OC said it's not about race for him, yet we continue to talk about race. Stephanies says it's not about race for her, yet we continue to talk about race. Mike says it's not about race from him yet we continue to talk about race. It's not race for me yet I'm talking about race. Why? Because Cato keeps bringing up race.

So maybe the left is right when they it is all about race for many on the right as 1 in 4 fiscal conservatives on this site simply cannot let the race issue go.

Right!!!

This thread is the perfect example. OC said it's not about race for him, yet we continue to talk about race. Stephanies says it's not about race for her, yet we continue to talk about race. Mike says it's not about race from him yet we continue to talk about race. It's not race for me yet I'm talking about race. Why? Because Cato keeps bringing up race.

Well, iffen ya get accused of stealing even when nothing gets stolen ya might as well become a thief ........ cause things ain't gonna get any better fer yu.

Correction. 40% of conservatives can't let the race issue go.

Aaron wrote:Correction. 40% of conservatives can't let the race issue go.

Iffen you were accused of being a thief or a fornicator everytime an opponent of your idealogy opened their mouth ........ would you "let that issue go"?

And where would you "let it go to"? HA

Seems to me that as Cato was the one who brought up the issue of race as he acknowledged, that idea that he does so on this site because his idealogy is being attacked is wrong.

Most people, like Terry RC, will avert their eyes to such dastardly devious conduct of the media or whoever.

It isn't nice to speak of people behind their back or to put words in their mouth.

But then I expect nothing less of you. How often have you ignored the inaccuracy and dubious tactics of news outlets like FOX or FreeRepublic? Countless times, I would imagine.

If race got Obama into the WH, it has also brought him critics.

According to themselves, Tea Partiers have been simmering in this country for years but did little or nothing. They then chose this presidency to boil over. We are expected to believe it, of course, has NOTHING to do with the president's skin color.

Pull the other one.

For many people, their opposition to the president IS based on race. I had more than one person ask me, when I questioned McCain's choice of VP, if I was thinking about voting for "that nigger".

And Steph, Palin would have been one heart attack away from the presidency. Considering McCain's health, it WAS a big deal.

Tea Partiers have been simmering in this country for years but did little or nothing. They then chose this presidency to boil over.

YADA, YADA, YADA, …. always suggesting a revision of history.

The theme of the Boston Tea Party, an iconic event of American history, has long been used by anti-tax protesters. It was part of Tax Day protests held throughout the 1990s and earlier. More recently, the anniversary of the original Boston Tea Party was commemorated by Republican Congressman Ron Paul supporters who held a fund raising event for the 2008 presidential primaries advocating an end to fiat money and the Federal Reserve System, disengaging from foreign entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan, and upholding States' rights

The Tea Party's most noted national figures include Republican politicians such as Dick Armey and Sarah Palin.

Ron Paul, Sarah Palin and all their supporters were "Tea Partying" long before Obama was elected POTUS.

Ron Paul, Sarah Palin and all their supporters were "Tea Partying" long before Obama was elected POTUS.

Really? Palin and her husband were supporters of an Alaskan Secessionist party.

Doesn't sound like she wanted to "take back the country", she wanted to leave it.

I'll tell you right now Ron Paul was the catalyst for the Tea Party movement. It is not his fault, nor that of his supporters, it has been hijacked by neocons and other politicians who are not truly interested in liberty.

TerryRC wrote:Ron Paul, Sarah Palin and all their supporters were "Tea Partying" long before Obama was elected POTUS.

Really? Palin and her husband were supporters of an Alaskan Secessionist party.

Doesn't sound like she wanted to "take back the country", she wanted to leave it.

All the more reason to move to Alaska.

I went to a TEA Party rally in Cincinnati 2 years ago and given the ethnic make up, I'd say it wasn't made up of only Republicans but then liberals will never acknowledge that simple fact.