Re: Less than half of students proficient in science

by **Stephanie** Sat Feb 05, 2011 2:14 pm

There are thousands of families homeschooling in WV and there are thousands and thousands more sending their children to private and parochial schools. I'm not alone.

by Cato Sat Feb 05, 2011 3:13 pm

Stephanie wrote:There are thousands of families homeschooling in WV and there are thousands and thousands more sending their children to private and parochial schools. I'm not alone.

Stephanie, I have no clue how many are or aren't. I hope you are right in your figures, but there are still many many thousands that aren't and won't take the responsibility to educate their child. I guess they expect government to take care of them.

by ziggy Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:02 pm

(Cato)- Government Schools are all about indoctrination .........................

Every school- whether government, church, or "private" operated- every book, every newspaper, every magazine, every anything to do with human communication is about indoctrination of one sort or another.

in·doc·tri·nate /ɪnˈdɒktrəˌneɪt/ Show Spelled
[in-dok-truh-neyt] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2. to teach or inculcate.
3. to imbue with learning.
Use indoctrinate in a Sentence
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Origin:
1620–30; in-2 + Medieval Latin doctrīnātus past participle of doctrīnāre to teach; see doctrine, -ate1

—Related forms
in·doc·tri·na·tion, noun
in·doc·tri·na·tor, noun
re·in·doc·tri·nate, verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
re·in·doc·tri·na·tion, noun
un·in·doc·tri·nat·ed, adjective

—Can be confused: inculcate, indoctrinate .

—Synonyms
1. brainwash, propagandize.

Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2011.

indoctrinate (ɪnˈdɒktrɪˌneɪt)

— vb
1. to teach (a person or group of people) systematically to accept doctrines, esp uncritically
2. rare to impart learning to; instruct

indoctri'nation

— n

in'doctrinator

transitive verb
1: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle
— in·doc·tri·na·tion \(ˌ)in-ˌdäk-trə-ˈnā-shən\ noun
— in·doc·tri·na·tor \in-ˈdäk-trə-ˌnā-tər\ noun

2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view:

Synonyms: educate, teach, instruct, lesson, school, train, tutor

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indoctrinate

by Cato Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:12 pm

(Cato) I have watched both you and Terry demand kids be taught certain items and demand the government ensure said items are taught. These are things like evolution, Global Warming, History rewritten to cover your view of the world, and socialistic economics to name a few. I don't share you views and niether do many thousands of others. You have no right to push your agenda on anyone by using the force of government.

Cato, you were OK with Pennsylvania schools using the "force of government" to push an "agenda" onto Medelynn Murray's kids. You're not against pushing an agenda as long as it is your agenda that's being pushed.

by Aaron Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:55 pm

Another classic example of Ziggy's word games.

in·doc·tri·nate /ɪnˈdɒktrəˌneɪt/ Show Spelled
[in-dok-truh-neyt] Show IPA

–verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
1. to instruct in a doctrine, principle, ideology, etc., especially to imbue with a specific partisan or biased belief or point of view.
2. to teach or inculcate.
3. to imbue with learning.
Use indoctrinate in a Sentence
See images of indoctrinate
Search indoctrinate on the Web

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Origin:
1620–30; in-2 + Medieval Latin doctrīnātus past participle of doctrīnāre to teach; see doctrine, -ate1

—Related forms
in·doc·tri·na·tion, noun
in·doc·tri·na·tor, noun
re·in·doc·tri·nate, verb (used with object), -nat·ed, -nat·ing.
re·in·doc·tri·na·tion, noun
un·in·doc·tri·nat·ed, adjective

—Can be confused: inculcate, indoctrinate .

—Synonyms
1. brainwash, propagandize.

Dictionary.com Unabridged
Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2011.

indoctrinate (ɪnˈdɒktrɪˌneɪt)

— vb
1. to teach (a person or group of people) systematically to accept doctrines, esp uncritically
2. rare to impart learning to; instruct

indoctri'nation

— n

in'doctrinator

transitive verb
1: to instruct especially in fundamentals or rudiments : teach
2: to imbue with a usually partisan or sectarian opinion, point of view, or principle
— in·doc·tri·na·tion \(ˌ)in-ˌdäk-trə-ˈnā-shən\ noun
— in·doc·tri·na·tor \in-ˈdäk-trə-ˌnā-tər\ noun

2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view:

Synonyms: educate, teach, instruct, lesson, school, train, tutor

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indoctrinate

by SamCogar Sun Feb 06, 2011 4:49 am

The only way this will ever change is to remove government from education. That isn't going to be easy, but if we turly want our chidlren to succeed that is what is going to have to be done..

You are right, ..... this bureaucracy will not give up easy, to wit:

WV Early Head Start program for pregnant women, infants, and toddlers
WV Head Start program for children ages 3-5
WV Universal Pre-K for all 4-year-olds in the state
WV Public Schools – K thru 12

And with all the FREE food, goods, healthcare, money and "nanny" services they offer to the "poor parents", ...... those parents won't or can't afford to turn them down and thus their participation becomes the "proof of job existence" that insures the continued livelyhood of the above noted ........ State Nanny Services.

Less than half of students proficient in science - Page 5 197570

Less than half of students proficient in science - Page 5 49761

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by **ohio county** Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:07 am

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/fix_education_now.html

Fear not! Obama will give education nearly as much attention as he has given job creation!

by Cato Mon Feb 07, 2011 7:35 am

SamCogar wrote:
The only way this will ever change is to remove government from education. That isn't going to be easy, but if we turly want our chidlren to succeed that is what is going to have to be done..

You are right, ..... this bureaucracy will not give up easy, to wit:

WV Early Head Start program for pregnant women, infants, and toddlers
WV Head Start program for children ages 3-5
WV Universal Pre-K for all 4-year-olds in the state
WV Public Schools – K thru 12

And with all the FREE food, goods, healthcare, money and "nanny" services they offer to the "poor parents", ...... those parents won't or can't afford to turn them down and thus their participation becomes the "proof of job existence" that insures the continued livelyhood of the above noted ........ State Nanny Services.

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As I said it isn't an easy task and yes, there are those who will fight tooth and nail to continue to feed at the politician's trough. Of course, the politicans, both republican and democrat will also fight tooth and nail since allowing people to feed at the trough is how they stay in office.

I'd say about one more generation of the idiots the education system is turning out that there just may not be a trough to feed at.

by **ohio county** Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:04 pm

I heard Mark Steyn say today that the Greatest Generation averaged about an eighth grade education and yet they fought two world wars and presided over the biggest economic expansion in history. Now, we have an average grade of 15 or thereabouts, teacher to pupil ratios of the lowest proportions, and the client classes are screaming for more money. Why? To raise the average grade level completed to twenty-seven? God help us if that happens. We'll be wearing rubber pants and sitting in a high chair.

by Cato Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:36 am

ohio county wrote:I heard Mark Steyn say today that the Greatest Generation averaged about an eighth grade education and yet they fought two world wars and presided over the biggest economic expansion in history. Now, we have an average grade of 15 or thereabouts, teacher to pupil ratios of the lowest proportions, and the client classes are screaming for more money. Why? To raise the average grade level completed to twenty-seven? God help us if that happens. We'll be wearing rubber pants and sitting in a high chair.

The Greatest Generation wasn't comprised of a bunch of bedwetting moochers. It was comprised of men and women who had a decient work ethic, a love of liberty, and understood the cost of freedom. The cell phone, texting, hippie crowd of this present generation has none of those qualities. This upcoming genration has no work ethic, no respect or love of freedom, and they demand everything be given to them. Oh there are exceptions, but they are few.

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