Will Ziggy continue to deny this occurs?

That was admitting a mistake? LOL Sometimes you're funny even when I haven't had a drink or two.

In summary, who has oversight and can put an end to overweight trucks?

It's a simple question that I'm sure you can answer if you concentrate hard enough.

OK. Aaron wants inspectors present every time a truck is loaded with coal. Write the governor. I'm sure Joe will get right on that.

Stephanie wrote:OK. Aaron wants inspectors present every time a truck is loaded with coal. Write the governor. I'm sure Joe will get right on that.

If you understood transportation, which you clearly don't Stephanie, you would understand, which you clearly don't, that random inspections conducted on specific routes (it's not where the mines are Stephie, it's where the loading facilities are) that continue long after the news attention dies down (that could take years) would do the trick. What it requires is intestinal fortitude by government employees.

If you understood WV politics, which you clearly don't, you would understand that Joe, nor any other elected official, don't have the cahonna's to stand up to coal. If you understood coal, which you clearly don't, you would understand that it's not just WV. KY coal trucks can legally carry 120,000 lbs. That's 40,000 more the any other truck can legally carry Stephanie.

First you said it was the state, then you said it was the truckers & the companies they work for, and now you're back to the state.

Make up your mind, Aaron. Then you can tell me how clueless I am. lol

Stephanie wrote:First you said it was the state, then you said it was the truckers & the companies they work for, and now you're back to the state.

Make up your mind, Aaron. Then you can tell me how clueless I am. lol

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. It's atrocious. I said the ultimate responsibility for running overweight goes back to the individual truck driver.

Oversight responsibility belongs to the state. It would be all Stephed-Up if truckers had responsibility for oversight, don’t you agree!!!

Now it is beginning to make sense why there is very little discipline in the schools.



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And actually the blame goes back to the trucking companies for letting the coal companies beat them down on prices and forcing them to haul more then the legal limit just to get by.

Well, you have placed the blame on about four different groups, at this point...

Why not blame the truckers that bought 125,000 lb. load trucks back when the max load was 80,000 lbs. When the state cracked down on them, they cried that they wouldn't be able to pay for these bigger rigs. Thus the increase in weight allowance for them (in name, on certain roads but really everywhere).

The truckers thumbed their nose at the law. I can respect that but that doesn't relieve them of responsibility.

TerryRC wrote:And actually the blame goes back to the trucking companies for letting the coal companies beat them down on prices and forcing them to haul more then the legal limit just to get by.

Well, you have placed the blame on about four different groups, at this point...

Why not blame the truckers that bought 125,000 lb. load trucks back when the max load was 80,000 lbs. When the state cracked down on them, they cried that they wouldn't be able to pay for these bigger rigs. Thus the increase in weight allowance for them (in name, on certain roads but really everywhere).

The truckers thumbed their nose at the law. I can respect that but that doesn't relieve them of responsibility.

You don't read so well either TC. I blamed the truckers. That's who signs the BOL so that's who's responsible.

The state is responsible for oversight. I wasn't suprised when they caved. Were you?

The state is responsible for oversight. I wasn't suprised when they caved. Were you?

Considering the coal companies threatened to move production to other states, not at all.

Foolish to think that the truckers might obey the law because to do otherwise endangers lives. We all know that people only do right because we are afraid of punishment by daddy government.

I agree that more oversight is needed. When the personnel are hired to do that, which will be the first complaint out of many mouths - that there are more state employees on the rolls, or that the state is interfering with industry?

TerryRC wrote:
The state is responsible for oversight. I wasn't suprised when they caved. Were you?

Considering the coal companies threatened to move production to other states, not at all.

Foolish to think that the truckers might obey the law because to do otherwise endangers lives. We all know that people only do right because we are afraid of punishment by daddy government.

I agree that more oversight is needed. When the personnel are hired to do that, which will be the first complaint out of many mouths - that there are more state employees on the rolls, or that the state is interfering with industry?

There aren’t more DOT officers needed. All that is needed is the ones doing their jobs to do so. At the very worst, an in ground weighing facility or two can be placed in strategic places and new hires would be less then 10. It's not like hundreds of new state employees are needed. Only state workers think that way.

As for the coal, let them shut the mines down. And then revoke their mineral permits. The coal's not going anywhere and sooner or later someone's going to be willing to pull it out in accordance with how the state wants it done.

I think what's needed more then anything is a fundamental change in the philosophy of our state government. You guys need to realize you work for the people, not coal. If you can ever figure that out, there might just be hope for WV.

TerryRC wrote:
The state is responsible for oversight. I wasn't suprised when they caved. Were you?

Considering the coal companies threatened to move production to other states, not at all.

Foolish to think that the truckers might obey the law because to do otherwise endangers lives. We all know that people only do right because we are afraid of punishment by daddy government.

I agree that more oversight is needed. When the personnel are hired to do that, which will be the first complaint out of many mouths - that there are more state employees on the rolls, or that the state is interfering with industry?

Terry,

Do yourself a favor. Don't try to tell Aaron anything. Whatever you do don't try to reason with him. Go find yourself a concrete slab to have this conversation with. The results probably won't be more productive, but they won't be any less either.

I think what's needed more then anything is a fundamental change in the philosophy of our state government. You guys need to realize you work for the people, not coal. If you can ever figure that out, there might just be hope for WV.

Yes, every state employee is owned by big coal. That is why I speak out against many of the coal industry's practices in this state.

Which am I, a coal whore or an eco-terrorist?

TerryRC wrote:I think what's needed more then anything is a fundamental change in the philosophy of our state government. You guys need to realize you work for the people, not coal. If you can ever figure that out, there might just be hope for WV.

Yes, every state employee is owned by big coal. That is why I speak out against many of the coal industry's practices in this state.

Which am I, a coal whore or an eco-terrorist?

Who called you an eco-terrorist?

Coal owns EVERY state agency, hence, every state employees.

I won't judge you being a whore either. To each their own.

Who called you an eco-terrorist?

I can't remember the exact term you use - something like "liberal greenie-weenies" - for anyone that speaks out against the coal industry, you know, like you do with Ziggy.

I don't think coal owns all of the state agencies. Just the ones that would regulate it.

TerryRC wrote:Who called you an eco-terrorist?

I can't remember the exact term you use - something like "liberal greenie-weenies" - for anyone that speaks out against the coal industry, you know, like you do with Ziggy.

I don't think coal owns all of the state agencies. Just the ones that would regulate it.

I used the term 'legal terrorism on another thread. If you have a problem with the context in which I used that term, respond it it.

You're wrong. I don't defend the coal industry with blinders. I believe they should have to abide by every rule, regulation and law that applies to them. What I have a problem with is those of you that complain about coal even when the companies are within the guidelines of the law, rules and regulations.

Take Aracoma for instance. It was a travesity that 2 people died. The reason for the fire had to do with the way the ventilation chute was ran. The company was within the guidelines of MSHA rules and regulations but they were still blamed for the deaths.

In that instance, the fault lies in the regulating agency, don't you agree!!!

And yes, coal OWNS this state lock, stock and barrel, incuding your boss, Mr. Douglas.

I've never read so many silly comments by people who truly believe that "enforcing weight limits on coal hauling trucks" ........ is exactly the same as "enforcing speed limits on the highways".

Dumbarses, ....... State officials don't have to constantly be searching the highways and byways in hopes of "catching" an overloaded coal truck.

Said State official(s) can sit on their arses and "catch" all those that are overloaded iffen they want.

Either "check" them when they are loaded or "check" them just before they are dumped.

Or, in most cases, in that either the company and/or the driver is "paid" based on the "tons of coal" delivered or hauled, ...... a "copy" of the Weight Ticket for each delivery is all that is required.

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SamCogar wrote:I've never read so many silly comments by people who truly believe that "enforcing weight limits on coal hauling trucks" ........ is exactly the same as "enforcing speed limits on the highways".

Dumbarses, ....... State officials don't have to constantly be searching the highways and byways in hopes of "catching" an overloaded coal truck.

Said State official(s) can sit on their arses and "catch" all those that are overloaded iffen they want.

Either "check" them when they are loaded or "check" them just before they are dumped.

Or, in most cases, in that either the company and/or the driver is "paid" based on the "tons of coal" delivered or hauled, ...... a "copy" of the Weight Ticket for each delivery is all that is required.

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Are you saying you believe this wouldn't involve additional staffing? I said earlier I believed in order for the state to guarantee enforcement they would need inspectors at every site. Naturally, Aaron told me how clueless I am, again. LOL

As far as those tickets are concerned, they would be easy enough to fabricate. I don't think that would work.

Stephanie wrote:

SamCogar wrote:I've never read so many silly comments by people who truly believe that "enforcing weight limits on coal hauling trucks" ........ is exactly the same as "enforcing speed limits on the highways".

Dumbarses, ....... State officials don't have to constantly be searching the highways and byways in hopes of "catching" an overloaded coal truck.

Said State official(s) can sit on their arses and "catch" all those that are overloaded iffen they want.

Either "check" them when they are loaded or "check" them just before they are dumped.

Or, in most cases, in that either the company and/or the driver is "paid" based on the "tons of coal" delivered or hauled, ...... a "copy" of the Weight Ticket for each delivery is all that is required.

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Are you saying you believe this wouldn't involve additional staffing? I said earlier I believed in order for the state to guarantee enforcement they would need inspectors at every site. Naturally, Aaron told me how clueless I am, again. LOL

As far as those tickets are concerned, they would be easy enough to fabricate. I don't think that would work.

Here's why you are clueless, again, Stephanie. Coal is mined at dozens upon dozens if not hundreds of (we call them mines here in WV) 'sites' in this state. From the mines, it is either moved by rail or barge to it's final destination. Trucking, and overweight trucks, come into play in getting it to the loading facility.

Now one of those barge loading facilities is in Chesapeke, WV. They load coal from Kanawha, Boone, Fayette, Mingo, Logan among other counties. The coal is then barged down river ~1,600 tons per barge, 6 to 8 barges per tug. Now that's a lot of trucks, maybe as many as 200 per tug, bringing a lot of coal from a lot of mines to tiny Chesapeke, WV.

By your (clueless) logic, the state would have to put staffing in all of those coal mines, which is just plain silly. Chesapeke set's on RT 61. All the state has to do is put a weighing facility on Rt 61 and staff that facility. That and patrol Rt 61, Rt 94, Rt 60, Rt 3, Rt 85 and Rt, 44 with portable scales and they can get all the trucks they want. It's simply a matter of wanting to.

Now you are no longer completely clueless.

At least on this subject.

When did I say at every coal mine? Where did I say that? Who is having difficulty with comprehension?

Are you saying every coal truck in WV is loaded at that one facility? Pretend I'm from Missouri instead of RI. Show me.

Stephanie wrote:As far as those tickets are concerned, they would be easy enough to fabricate. I don't think that would work.

YEAH, I know, ....... and Electronic Voting Machines can be "hacked" and/or "rigged" and Elections can be stolen.

And "because of the children" the Teachers need a raise.

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ps Stephanie, do you really think the John Amos Power Plant never bothers to "check" the amount of tonnage of coal that they purchase?

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Think two tickets, Sam. Geezus do I have to tell you everything?

Stephanie wrote:When did I say at every coal mine? Where did I say that? Who is having difficulty with comprehension?

Yesterday at 10:05 am. You've referenced 'site' a couple of times.

Stephanie wrote:
Perhaps you think the state should have inspectors at every facility to make sure the trucks aren't violating the law. You don't want that now do ya?

Stephanie wrote:Are you saying every coal truck in WV is loaded at that one facility? Pretend I'm from Missouri instead of RI. Show me.

No I'm not. If you could comprehend what you read, you would see my previous post noted numberous facilities. I don't know where all of them are or how many. I highlighted the one at Cheseapeke because I know a couple guys that work out of there barging product down the river.

I write "site" you read "coal mine". You're the one with the difficulty, Aaron. There are numerous locations in the state of WV where coal is loaded onto trucks for transportation. So, in order to monitor all of the coal trucks on the roads, the state would need inspectors at all of those locations. Perhaps you'll comprehend "locations" better than "sites".