T'was bad month for Global Warminists
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Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Oh and Sam you realize of course that the little sexual innuendoes you made in that last post are just another verification that my friend is right. They are just another portion of the picture of cyber-harassment and bullying. I'm beginning to think that if you look it up you will find your photo there. But how could I forget myself. Sam doesn't need to look anything up. He is omniscient and omnipotent. Haven't purchased a throne in the clouds yet for yourself? Keep looking you might find a deal yet.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Linda,
Sam is a lot of things, but he isn't a liar.
You are demanding we all capitulate to the idea that global warming is the fault of certain human activities, and that we have the ability to stop the Earth from warming. Why? Because some scientists and Algore say so?
I don't believe that at all. IMHO that is bunk. The Earth has been cooling and warming in cycles since her birth. She will continue to go through these cycles long after human beings are gone.
Are we contributing to global warming? Probably, but every living creature on the planet impacts our environment is some small way.
So you keep laughing at Sam, but I agree he is correct and you are wrong. Scientists change their theories all the time. It would appear that many of them are changing their minds about the impact of global warming even as we debate.
Here is an example why:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j9YzbkbPjYwP_3-9wZhTNbMcZSAQD90OC2T80
Study says global warming not worsening hurricanes
Sam is a lot of things, but he isn't a liar.
You are demanding we all capitulate to the idea that global warming is the fault of certain human activities, and that we have the ability to stop the Earth from warming. Why? Because some scientists and Algore say so?
I don't believe that at all. IMHO that is bunk. The Earth has been cooling and warming in cycles since her birth. She will continue to go through these cycles long after human beings are gone.
Are we contributing to global warming? Probably, but every living creature on the planet impacts our environment is some small way.
So you keep laughing at Sam, but I agree he is correct and you are wrong. Scientists change their theories all the time. It would appear that many of them are changing their minds about the impact of global warming even as we debate.
Here is an example why:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j9YzbkbPjYwP_3-9wZhTNbMcZSAQD90OC2T80
Study says global warming not worsening hurricanes
By SETH BORENSTEIN – 16 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Global warming isn't to blame for the recent jump in hurricanes in the Atlantic, concludes a study by a prominent federal scientist whose position has shifted on the subject.
Not only that, warmer temperatures will actually reduce the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic and those making landfall, research meteorologist Tom Knutson reported in a study released Sunday.
In the past, Knutson has raised concerns about the effects of climate change on storms. His new paper has the potential to heat up a simmering debate among meteorologists about current and future effects of global warming in the Atlantic.
Ever since Hurricane Katrina in 2005, hurricanes have often been seen as a symbol of global warming's wrath. Many climate change experts have tied the rise of hurricanes in recent years to global warming and hotter waters that fuel them.
Another group of experts, those who study hurricanes and who are more often skeptical about global warming, say there is no link. They attribute the recent increase to a natural multi-decade cycle.
What makes this study different is Knutson, a meteorologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's fluid dynamics lab in Princeton, N.J.
He has warned about the harmful effects of climate change and has even complained in the past about being censored by the Bush administration on past studies on the dangers of global warming.
He said his new study, based on a computer model, argues "against the notion that we've already seen a really dramatic increase in Atlantic hurricane activity resulting from greenhouse warming."
The study, published online Sunday in the journal Nature Geoscience, predicts that by the end of the century the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic will fall by 18 percent.
The number of hurricanes making landfall in the United States and its neighbors — anywhere west of Puerto Rico — will drop by 30 percent because of wind factors.
The biggest storms — those with winds of more than 110 mph — would only decrease in frequency by 8 percent. Tropical storms, those with winds between 39 and 73 mph, would decrease by 27 percent.
It's not all good news from Knutson's study, however. His computer model also forecasts that hurricanes and tropical storms will be wetter and fiercer. Rainfall within 30 miles of a hurricane should jump by 37 percent and wind strength should increase by about 2 percent, Knutson's study says.
And Knutson said this study significantly underestimates the increase in wind strength. Some other scientists criticized his computer model.
MIT hurricane meteorologist Kerry Emanuel, while praising Knutson as a scientist, called his conclusion "demonstrably wrong" based on a computer model that doesn't look properly at storms.
Kevin Trenberth, a climate scientist, said Knutson's computer model is poor at assessing tropical weather and "fail to replicate storms with any kind of fidelity."
Trenberth, climate analysis chief at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo., said it is not just the number of hurricanes "that matter, it is also the intensity, duration and size, and this study falls short on these issues."
Knutson acknowledges weaknesses in his computer model and said it primarily gives a coarse overview, not an accurate picture on individual storms and storm strength. He said the latest model doesn't produce storms surpassing 112 mph.
But NOAA hurricane meteorologist Chris Landsea, who wasn't part of this study, praised Knutson's work as "very consistent with what's being said all along."
"I think global warming is a big concern, but when it comes to hurricanes the evidence for changes is pretty darn tiny," Landsea said.
Hurricane season starts June 1 in the Atlantic and a Colorado State University forecast predicts about a 50 percent more active than normal storm season this year. NOAA puts out its own seasonal forecast on May 22.
In a normal year about 10 named storms form. Six become hurricanes and two become major hurricanes. On average, about five hurricanes hit the United States every three years.
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
lindaredtail wrote:Ah Sam. I took note that you were hardly on the forum yesterday. Did it take you ALL DAY TO COME UP WITH THAT IDIOTIC RESPONSE!!!!!!
Well "DUH", third time is charm, ....... my current wife really appreciates having a GOOD HUSBAND around. And like all good husbands should be, I share use of my PC with her ...... and if I don't she sometimes gets frumpy.
And "YES", ...... my PC .......... because she bought the 1st PC we had ..... for me, ..... as a surprise gift .......... because I wouldn't buy it. I had been telling her I didn't want no damn computer because I had worked with them for 30+ years and was tired of them.
YES Linda, 30+ years, ever since my brother George got me that summer job in Norwalk, Conn. Ya remember me telling you about that and that silly Doctor in my above post, don'tja.
Well Linda, that summer job was "in the barn" ...... of the Rand Estate there in Norwalk, ....... not the Mansion, ....... but the barn. YA see, It was a job with UNIVAC, Philadelphia division ..... and UNIVAC was owned by Sperry Rand Corp. ...... and Mr. Rand of Sperry Rand Corp. let them use his mansion and barn for a secret engineering project called the "barn project" .... but later called "Project Bumblebee".
Now Linda, assuming that you will also discredit all that BS ...... I included 2 hyper links there in the last sentence of the above, both will take you to the same web site, iffen you "click" on either of them, ...... and the data you will find there will provide you with enough info to compose another scathing, badmouthing reply to me.
Or, you can do some more "web searching" iffen you want, ..... there are dozens of urls out there to choose from.
lindaredtail wrote:What you believe is irrelevant. It is not my credibility that has been destroyed. It is yours. You have been shown to be a liar. To have misrepresented yourself and your credentials to validate your opinions. You are the one who has done that. Not me. You have also shown yourself to have serious personal issues in how you behave on here. Not me. YOU. You can continue to live in a delusion if you choose as false as the argument about the polar bears. But the thing is this Sam. Once the liar is proven to be a liar, and the bully nothing but a bully your power is gone. And you have none. Certainly not with me. I would hope not with anyone else either. I'm sure WV has a nice tidy list of psychologists and psychiatrists that you can pick one from to make an appointment for yourself. The sooner you do the better off you will be.
YUP, Linda, there is more than enough info out there on the web for you to post "more of the same" as your above paragraph.
I look foreward to reading your response.
cheers
And ps Linda, I'm not famous like my brother George ........ but you can find one of my accomplishments cited on the web, ........ which I am mighty proud of.
If you are interested, just "click" the following url, .... then scroll down past the advertising ........ and you can read for yourself what it is.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3449735.html
cherry cheers
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SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
Location : Burnsville, WV
Registration date : 2007-12-28
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Stephanie I disagree totally. If you go back through the posts here I was the one who did not and made it very clear that I did not want to have a debate about global warming. I have not demanded that anyone capitulate to anything. I know this subject is difficult and both sides are fierce in their beliefs. I am not going to change mine and he is not going to change his. He pushed this debate. He wanted it. Am I just supposed to take his garbage? I most certainly am not going to do so. Not for one second. His is an escalating pattern of cyber-harassment. That is what it is. You can believe that or not believe it . That is your right of choice. But I have made a copy of the post from today at 5:52 am and I am going to turn it over to the WV State Police. We will see what they say about his behavior. I wonder do you know why this forum was suddenly shut down on the other site? Without notice. I would take a good guess that I am not the first person who he has done this too. His behavior is not the behavior of debate or dialogue. Which the rest of us had yesterday. His behavior is the behavior of harassment, intimidation, humiliation and degradation which I utterly reject in all of its forms and do not capitulate to. Could someone else have reported his behavior? Do you really think that the other people who were on here couldn't find it if they wanted to. I found it all the way from Connecticut. If they wanted to they could find it too. There has to be a reason. I will not just accept his behavior silently. And lots of what he says does not add up. Such as 2008-1962 is not 30+years. It is 40+ years. Now some of you like Ziggy say they have had a few beers with Sam. How old is he? Do you know? Because that would mean that at 16 years old he left home in WV and traveled all the way to Norfolk Conn. to take a job. Did his parents allow that? You also have to have parental permission in all the New England states going back to the 1950's. The labor laws regarding children are very strict. Is Sam a senior citizen. Means he went to college late in life. Perhaps it should be you asking these questions not me.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
I don't just follow links Sam. And I do not just believe people when they say something. Are you in your sixties? The people will know who have a beer with you. That is an interesting link. If you look there are many more than one Sam Cogar. George Cogar's foundation is in New York State. And there is a Sam Cogar who is 69 years old (just about the right age) in Houghton Lake MI. See I don't just accept stuff like that. I have absolutely no SOLID PROOF THAT THAT IS YOU. There is even a woman Sam Cogar. And another one in Utica N.Y. One in California. Several listed in WV. You are the proof man. What you linked to isn't beyond a reasonable doubt.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Stephanie I have also thought hard before saying this but I believe in honesty. I don't agree with you of course that I am wrong about global warming. I believe that you are wrong. Secondly I do not believe that you are a fair administrator of this site. Not once have you openly said anything to Sam about the way he posts to people ridiculing and demeaning, and being rude, obnoxious and ignorant. Because your and his opinions are in agreement does not mean that you are not supposed to be an objective broker of this forum. And I do not find you to be so.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Linda,
No, we believe in free speech here.
Even speech we don't like.
I would ask you to respect that.
No, we believe in free speech here.
Even speech we don't like.
I would ask you to respect that.
SheikBen- Moderator
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Location : The Soviet Socialist Republic of Illinois
Registration date : 2008-01-02
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
God (or, if you must, credit Darwin) has given you the capacity to ignore what you find offensive. We had a couple of "doozies" sometime ago in the old forum, and I can tell you it is quite easy to see their name and then just go onto the next post.
Thing is, Sam has a lot worth saying. Sure the man is a chauvenist, but then again, none of us are married to him.
Thing is, Sam has a lot worth saying. Sure the man is a chauvenist, but then again, none of us are married to him.
SheikBen- Moderator
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Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
SheikBen he is more than a chauvanist. I absolutely believe in freedom of speech and that includes my own. His speech is deliberately demeaning, degrading, insulting and offensive. And if you read up on this subject you will find that it can be considered criminal. Debate dialogue, and occasional hard word or even an insult that is one thing. But his posts are constant ridicule and today one of them on this topic took on a sexual nature which is meant to be humiliating. And that I will not accept from anyone. That post was turned over to the WV State Police early this evening. Because that he does not have a right to do. There is also a rightful use of free speech.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
With all respect, Linda, you do not yet have enough perspective here to be making judgments about Stephanie's qualifications to moderate this forum.
Compared to the "old days" of some of the defunct Gazette forums, this place is a Sunday school picnic. And too, without Stephanie, there would be no forum here anyway.
And I do happen to know that she has edited some of the most offensive posts of some of us- and has done so with little fanfare and minimal offense.
And I don't know where else you have been in cyber world. But Sam here, as obnoxious as he can be, is not as you are trying to portray him. Yes, he can be his own worst enemy. But as message boards and blogs can go, Sam is Mr. Niceguy here.
But those of us who do not develop the ability to be as a duck- and let the water, no matter how mucky and rancid, slide off us without gettring us wet are torturing ourselves by trying to be holier than thou.
What Sam says about you tells us more about Sam than about you. And as I said a week or so ago, you need to learn to know when to "fold 'em"- meaning to let the thread or the issue die a peaceful death. It is not a negative reflection on anyone to realize that we have said all there is to say on a matter.
And again, offenses and insults are not what someone says to or about you. They are what you allow yourself to feel. You can do as you think best. But I am not going to get myself into an emotional tizzy because of what some self-obsessed twit like SamCogar says. Nor should you. He is what he is. And Sam ain't all bad; he just tries to act big and bad.
So don't give him the rope to keep hanging you with. You gotta know when to hold, and know when to fold. It is past time to let this thread fold, IMHO.
Best wishes-
Ziggy
Compared to the "old days" of some of the defunct Gazette forums, this place is a Sunday school picnic. And too, without Stephanie, there would be no forum here anyway.
And I do happen to know that she has edited some of the most offensive posts of some of us- and has done so with little fanfare and minimal offense.
And I don't know where else you have been in cyber world. But Sam here, as obnoxious as he can be, is not as you are trying to portray him. Yes, he can be his own worst enemy. But as message boards and blogs can go, Sam is Mr. Niceguy here.
But those of us who do not develop the ability to be as a duck- and let the water, no matter how mucky and rancid, slide off us without gettring us wet are torturing ourselves by trying to be holier than thou.
What Sam says about you tells us more about Sam than about you. And as I said a week or so ago, you need to learn to know when to "fold 'em"- meaning to let the thread or the issue die a peaceful death. It is not a negative reflection on anyone to realize that we have said all there is to say on a matter.
And again, offenses and insults are not what someone says to or about you. They are what you allow yourself to feel. You can do as you think best. But I am not going to get myself into an emotional tizzy because of what some self-obsessed twit like SamCogar says. Nor should you. He is what he is. And Sam ain't all bad; he just tries to act big and bad.
So don't give him the rope to keep hanging you with. You gotta know when to hold, and know when to fold. It is past time to let this thread fold, IMHO.
Best wishes-
Ziggy
ziggy- Moderator
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Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Ziggy I believe that you are a person to be respected. You seem to have wisdom which is a very good thing. I have mostly been on forums that limit size of posts to 1500 characters and do not allow the things like Sam says. I agree 100% that it is time for this thread to fold. It should have folded awhile ago. There aren't going to be any changes of mind and I certainly do not expect any. I haven't seen the side of Sam that you or Sheik Ben are talking about. I have only seen the Sam I have dealt with. I have actually enjoyed it here. You would be amazed at the foolishness of some of the posts on other forums. The big one today is that Barack Obama is the anti-christ. For the most part this is a highly educated forum which is refreshing. I felt that Stephanie showed bias today, I could be wrong. In my opinion some things are not allowable like sexual innuendo. I wish you well also.
lindaredtail- Number of posts : 308
Age : 67
Registration date : 2008-05-10
Re: T'was bad month for Global Warminists
Linda,
It takes at least two people to have a debate. Sam is antagonistic. I think even Sam will acknowledge that. He is sexist. I have mentioned his sexism in this forum, probably in this thread somewhere.
I let this back and forth continue on between the two of you for days with hardly a word. You've psychoanalyzed him, called him a variety of names, and now you're threatening to call the police on him. Good luck with that.
You seem to think I've taken his side because I disagree with your thoughts that global warming is caused entirely by human activity and will the the death of us all in X number of years. I believe I have taken the middle ground. Yes, human activity is to some degree contributing to global warming. Certainly we should take steps to curb this. NO we should not destroy our economy and our way of life to achieve these goals.
I've been online a long time. I'm sure there are others here that have been surfing the net a lot longer than I have. I have been called a variety of names over the years. I had one lunatic tell me he was going to hunt me down and kill my kids because I wouldn't send him my phone number. Now that is what I would call a threat. Sam has not threatened you in any way. He may have hurt your feelings. Hell, over the course of the past 15 or so months he's hurt my feelings and I'm sorry to say that in that time I've probably hurt his.
I accept Sam as he is. I've grown fond of him. I consider all of the people who post here to be my friends. Now they may not all be my best friends, but when I need to bounce something off somebody, or vent, or even a shoulder to cry on, there are a dozen people here I can turn to. How have I accomplished this great feat? By accepting each and every one of them for who and what they are, warts and all. It is my hope they will do the same for me, and in time, they will do the same for you.
So take a deep breath, and relax a little. It will be ok. Sam isn't the boogey man and I'm not the Wicked Witch of WV. (No matter what Aaron says)
It takes at least two people to have a debate. Sam is antagonistic. I think even Sam will acknowledge that. He is sexist. I have mentioned his sexism in this forum, probably in this thread somewhere.
I let this back and forth continue on between the two of you for days with hardly a word. You've psychoanalyzed him, called him a variety of names, and now you're threatening to call the police on him. Good luck with that.
You seem to think I've taken his side because I disagree with your thoughts that global warming is caused entirely by human activity and will the the death of us all in X number of years. I believe I have taken the middle ground. Yes, human activity is to some degree contributing to global warming. Certainly we should take steps to curb this. NO we should not destroy our economy and our way of life to achieve these goals.
I've been online a long time. I'm sure there are others here that have been surfing the net a lot longer than I have. I have been called a variety of names over the years. I had one lunatic tell me he was going to hunt me down and kill my kids because I wouldn't send him my phone number. Now that is what I would call a threat. Sam has not threatened you in any way. He may have hurt your feelings. Hell, over the course of the past 15 or so months he's hurt my feelings and I'm sorry to say that in that time I've probably hurt his.
I accept Sam as he is. I've grown fond of him. I consider all of the people who post here to be my friends. Now they may not all be my best friends, but when I need to bounce something off somebody, or vent, or even a shoulder to cry on, there are a dozen people here I can turn to. How have I accomplished this great feat? By accepting each and every one of them for who and what they are, warts and all. It is my hope they will do the same for me, and in time, they will do the same for you.
So take a deep breath, and relax a little. It will be ok. Sam isn't the boogey man and I'm not the Wicked Witch of WV. (No matter what Aaron says)
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