Well Obama no John Kerry

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080622/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Well like him or not you have to admit the Obama bunch will not sit back and be swiftboated like the limbernoodle Kerry bunch did,

They not only answer republican smear attempts quickly and decisively, they keep them off balance by bringing the republicans' misjudgments and malfeasance to the forefront for the public to see.

They have certainly studied the pitfalls of Kerry's sissy campaign.

Didn't take long for Obama to become your boy, did it Sherm!!!

Seems the only thing that matters to you is that they have that (d) behind their name.

And you tried to imply Stephanie was partisan because she attended the Republican convention.



For the record though, the article didn't list all the pork projects included that would have told why McCain opposed the bill.

Aaron wrote:Didn't take long for Obama to become your boy, did it Sherm!!!

Seems the only thing that matters to you is that they have that (d) behind their name.

And you tried to imply Stephanie was partisan because she attended the Republican convention.



For the record though, the article didn't list all the pork projects included that would have told why McCain opposed the bill.

Well Aaron if you really believe that then I have greatly overestimated you.

And insofar as any implications about Stephanie I have no clue what you mean.

I did state that since she was a republican delegate I assumed she was interested in electing republicans.

So I will wait and hear from her.

So far as I know she has not designated you to speak on her behalf.

(much as you would like to run things around here).

She is an Alphagirl and does not hesitate to speak for herself.

And as often as not she is right.

But thank you for your concern.

Also I think if you read the whole article it does list all the so-called pork like flood control projects etc. If not I will look it up for you.

The bill passed Sherm. It was overriden by Congress. Obama tried to make McCain look bad for not supporting a pork laden bill that supposedly would have made this situation in the mid west better. If that were the case, then why is half that area under water?

Seems to me this is just another case of someone playing politics with a situation they have no business playing politics with. Apparently not everyone agreed with the good Senator. From the article.

Obama, an Illinois senator, canceled a visit to eastern Iowa last week at the request of state officials...

And the implication wasn't about Stephanie. My implication was that you implied Stephanie was partisan and imo, that would be...

Obama is indeed John Kerry with color. Harvard law degree. Arugula eater. Out-of-touch Ivy Leaguer. The republican dirty tricks he's responding to were originated in the Hillary Clinton campaign. Pot, meet kettle.

Well guys the post was not about the merits of the legislation.

The point was that Obama will not sit back and let the republicans swiftboat him and not respond like Kerry did.

Yall are missing the point.

Probably should have explained it better.

shermangeneral wrote:Well guys the post was not about the merits of the legislation.

So what you're saying is that Obama 'swift-boated' McCain and you think that's a good thing.

No. Why do you always have to add to or change what I say before you respond.

"what you are saying is blah blah " or "what you mean is blah blah"...

Why cant you just respond to what I actually say?

Well I will do like you and answer for you.

You dont have any answer.

That is why you distort what I say before you respond.

I am partisan. I'm just not a deaf, dumb, blind, mute who allows others to make decisions for me.

That's why I sometimes vote for candidates from other parties. That's why I speak out against so-called Republicans like Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney and even my party's nominee, John McCain.

Now there are those who will lock step right behind McCain because he is the nominee, I am not one of them. Just as there are those Democrats willing to abandon their principles and throw their support and their vote and their influence behind Obama after spending most of the past year criticizing and marginalizing him.

I'm a partisan. They are partisan hacks.

When will Kerry be collecting his one million dollars?

Well Steph I guess I miss a lot but I have not seen a lot of people on here jumping on the Obama bandwagon.

Course most on here are rightwingers to the extreme anyway. But even the couple of moderates on here have not hopped on board yet.

Ziggie might be tempted but I dont think he has said he would actually vote for him.

He just liked him better than Hillary.

If I read him right that is.

But I figure most of the others will vote McCain.

He is not so bad except for all this military adventurism.

Besides maybe Ross will run.

shermangeneral wrote:No. Why do you always have to add to or change what I say before you respond.

"what you are saying is blah blah " or "what you mean is blah blah"...

Why cant you just respond to what I actually say?
Well I will do like you and answer for you.
You dont have any answer.
That is why you distort what I say before you respond.

He does almost everyone that way, Sherm. But then he still whines that others posters here play "word games".

He has what seems to be a primordial urge to vehemently disagree with me Zig.

So much so that if he can't disagree or take issue with what I say he just changes what I say so he can argue with it.

Maybe we could get Sam and Stephanie to psychologize him and explain what makes him tick.

OK Sherm, start over and try to be clear. Was Obama's attack on McCain legislation or about Obama fighting back. Focus and see if you can figure it out.

shermangeneral wrote:He has what seems to be a primordial urge to vehemently disagree with me Zig.

So much so that if he can't disagree or take issue with what I say he just changes what I say so he can argue with it.

Maybe we could get Sam and Stephanie to psychologize him and explain what makes him tick.

I only disagree with you when you're wrong Sherm.

Yes, I do disagree with you a lot. But that's becasue your a partisan hack that can't see past the little (d) behind the name. Hell, you're on your third bandwagon and it's still June.

And to think, I didn't need Sam or Stephanie to tell me what makes you tick.

Now back to the issue. Did Obama attack McCain over legislation or are you merely pointing out that he attacked McCain?

Course most on here are rightwingers to the extreme anyway. But even the couple of moderates on here have not hopped on board yet.

Ziggie might be tempted but I dont think he has said he would actually vote for him.

He just liked him better than Hillary.

If I read him right that is.

Ziggy will vote for some 3rd or 4th party or other candidate for president- if there is one- and I expect that the Green Party will have one in about 3 weeks.

But if it turns out that the only choice is McCain or Obama, I would have to think about it long and hard. But as it appears to be shaping up, I won't need to make that choice. If I'd hold my nose, I could vote for either McCain or Obama without puking. But I don't want to have to hold my nose when I vote.

Geeze Frank, I thought you was some kind of big wig at the Mountain Party.

Now if I'm not mistaken , the Mountain Party alligned with the Green Party in the Presidential Election this year.

And if I'm not mistaken the Green Party will nominate Cynthia Mckinney the former Congresswoman from Ga, who's claim to fame was hitting a Capital policeman and getting arrested. Granted, it's not staging a sit in on the Governors receptionist, but it's something.

So why wouldn't you know she's your girl Frank?

shermangeneral wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080622/ap_on_el_pr/obama

Well like him or not you have to admit the Obama bunch will not sit back and be swiftboated like the limbernoodle Kerry bunch did,

They not only answer republican smear attempts quickly and decisively, they keep them off balance by bringing the republicans' misjudgments and malfeasance to the forefront for the public to see.

They have certainly studied the pitfalls of Kerry's sissy campaign.

Hi Sherm,

Two things. First of all, the far right here has not come out for McCain. I think TerryRC and OC have indicated that they might hold their noses and vote for him. Keli and I have not indicated that we'd vote for him, and Stephanie is pretty solidly no on McCain.

Second of all, I do see the distinction between you liking Obama and you liking Obama's tactics (seeing that you are approving of the tactics rather than the man). I disagree, however, that Obama's tactics are good ones. He has decided to betray his own clearly articulated public financing principles in the name of "defending himself" from the Republican attack machine. I wonder if he realizes that the largest 527's in 2004 were moveon.org and America Coming Together, hardly instruments of Rupert Murdoch. Even if Obama is sincere, however, in his beliefs that he needs the extra money, this indicates an unfortunate readiness on the part of Obama to sell out his principles when the going gets tough. Such a man should not be mayor of my son's diaperpail.

Aaron wrote:Geeze Frank, I thought you was some kind of big wig at the Mountain Party.

Now if I'm not mistaken , the Mountain Party alligned with the Green Party in the Presidential Election this year.

And if I'm not mistaken the Green Party will nominate Cynthia Mckinney the former Congresswoman from Ga, who's claim to fame was hitting a Capital policeman and getting arrested. Granted, it's not staging a sit in on the Governors receptionist, but it's something.

So why wouldn't you know she's your girl Frank?

Hi Zig,

Did the Mountain Party have it's own platform in 2000? Has it changed since?

So why wouldn't you know she's your girl Frank?

Eat your heart out. She is my girl.

But she'll have to be the girl of a few hundred Green Party convention delegates to be the nominee. I figure she will be.

Did the Mountain Party have it's own platform in 2000? Has it changed since?

Mike, the Mountain Party had its own platform beginning in 2002. It has not changed a lot since then. It is available at:

http://www.mtparty.org/platform/platform.html

So Cyntia will get 17 votes in WV. Why would I eat my heart out for that?

shermangeneral wrote:
But I figure most of the others will vote McCain.

He is not so bad except for all this military adventurism.

HUUUUMMM, ....... "republicans swiftboating", ..... huh?

And with Bush, ..... it was his lack of military adventurism.

And with Obama, ....... well hell, he is black and a Democrat ...... and gets a "free ride".



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I would consider voting for Cynthia McKinney. I didn't realize she was likely to be the Green Party candidate. She's got a lot of spunk and I admire that. I'll have to read up on her some more.