Israel Strikes Hamas (Worst in 60 years!)

Rocket attacks from Gaza have forced Israelis to flee in ever greater numbers, escalating the belief among Israel's military chiefs that Hamas missiles could threaten the nation's top secret nuclear facility at Dimona.

For every rocket launched from Gaza ........ Israel should send two bigger ones back.



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How many dead Palestinian children will quench your bloodlust, Sam?

Stephanie wrote:Perhaps this will give all the fundie-Zionists pause in their celebration of the death and destruction of Gaza.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474824,00.html

From the article. Hamas is Sunni. Iran is Shiia. I don't think many understand the implications of these two groups working together.

Israeli officials say that Hamas has acquired dozens of Iranian-made Fajr-3 missiles and with it, an even longer range than previously seen.

Stephanie wrote:How many dead Palestinian children will quench your bloodlust, Sam?

It doesn't matter one iota, Stephanie.

Kill them now ...... or wait until they have been nurtured to attack Israel as suicide bombers and terrorists.

The end result will be the same, ...... just a delay via the latter method.




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This from the flagship of the left.

Israel's War Crimes
By Richard Falk

December 29, 2008
Editor's Note: This statement was issued December 27 in response to Israel's attack in Gaza by Professor Richard Falk, United Nations special rapporteur for human rights in the Occupied Territories and a longtime member of The Nation's editorial board.

The Israeli airstrikes on the Gaza Strip represent severe and massive violations of international humanitarian law as defined in the Geneva Conventions, both in regard to the obligations of an Occupying Power and in the requirements of the laws of war.


Those violations include:

• Collective punishment: The entire 1.5 million people who live in the crowded Gaza Strip are being punished for the actions of a few militants.

• Targeting civilians: The airstrikes were aimed at civilian areas in one of the most crowded stretches of land in the world, certainly the most densely populated area of the Middle East.

• Disproportionate military response: The airstrikes have not only destroyed every police and security office of Gaza's elected government, but have killed and injured hundreds of civilians; at least one strike reportedly hit groups of students attempting to find transportation home from the university.

Read the rest here

What do war crimes matter? They're only Muslims, right Sam?

btw.......Israelis can't commit war crimes, they're "God's chosen people", right Sherm?

All people have the right to defend themselves, Stephanie.

I can only imagine how shrill would be your call for retaliation if we were being shelled by the outlaw Mexicans.

But it's different when it is the children of Israel, who have been despised and condemned throughout history for their status as heirs of the Promise.

I would hope that if we were being shelled by outlaw Mexicans that we wouldn't have to send in the Big Red 1, the 82nd Airborne, Navy Seals, Marine AFTER drag bombing by the Air Force for weeks.

The idea is to respond proportionately. You don't completely obliterate your neighbors home because their oldest beat the crap out of your kid.

I’m certainly not making excuses for Hamas but I’m not excusing the actions of Israel either.

They are overreacting and as a result of their actions, they are uniting the Shia Sunni and I for one see the bad that can come from that.

Stephanie wrote:What do war crimes matter? They're only Muslims, right Sam?

So Steph, the launching by Hamas of more than 2,000 missles into Israel since 2001 .... is not an Act of War or a War Crime, ..... according to your thinking, ..... right Steph?

Surely it wouldn't be your son's fault if he was launching rocks through all the windows of your neighbor's house, ........ would it? He would probably have good reason to justify his actions and therefore is not to blame. GIMME A BREAK



I luv ya Stephanie but your "motherly instinct" is clouding your vison of reality.

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Aaron wrote:
The idea is to respond proportionately. You don't completely obliterate your neighbors home because their oldest beat the crap out of your kid.

I’m certainly not making excuses for Hamas but I’m not excusing the actions of Israel either.

Aaron, you certainly are making excuses for Hamas.

It is the same as you saying it is all right for your sons to hide in a crowd and throw big rocks at passing cars.

Now Israel warned those people to get out of the way and if they didn't, tough titty.

The police don't have the right to kill everyone in the crowd because my sons are standing there throwing rocks Sam. There's a right way to respond to this and Israel hasn't followed it yet.

And what is that "right way"?

Complain to the UN?

No, send in special forces with some air cover to root out and eliminate those shooting the rockets, not carpet bomb the entire region killing whoever happens to be there and justifying it by saying "We told them to get out of the way."

The rest of the story...

Israel has bent over backwards to achieve a peaceful co-existence with the people of Gaza.

What did they get in return?

Rockets and mortars launched indiscriminately into civilian areas.

You guys conveniently overlook these flagrant acts of war in your zeal to blame the Israelis.

The Jews are not to blame for the world's troubles.

Any more than they were to blame back in the 1930's.

"Hamas rockets blew away Gaza opportunity
DEROY MURDOCK
/ Imagine it's 1964. President Lyndon Johnson just signed the landmark Civil Rights Act. Martin Luther King, Jr. celebrates by ordering his supporters to launch missiles from black neighborhoods into white communities. Picture the rockets' red glare as they rise from Watts and land in Beverly Hills. Up they soar in Harlem, and down they rain on the Upper West Side.

Such mayhem would have triggered a white crackdown on black areas. The squandered opportunity for greater racial equality and economic prosperity would have hobbled black progress, probably for decades. Barack Obama's presidential victory might have been a non-starter had Dr. King taken this low road.

Thank God Almighty, he did not.

While imperfect, this analogy approximates today's conflict between Palestinians and Israelis in the Gaza Strip. Israel's recent military retaliation violence would have been unnecessary had the leaders of Gaza capitalized on the excellent hand they were dealt.

Israelis withdrew from Gaza in August 2005. Israeli soldiers literally dragged devout Jews kicking and screaming from land they believed the Torah granted them. Authorities evacuated 21 Jewish settlements, dismantled 38 synagogues, and even excavated 47 deceased Jews from Gaza's Gush Katif cemetery. Unwanted dead or alive, the Israelis vanished from Gaza without a trace. The 8,150 Jews who lived there linger only in the memories of their Palestinian ex-neighbors.

Gaza's leaders had the opportunity of a millennium. "Free at last, free at last," a Palestinian King could have said. "Now, watch us flourish." A Gazan MLK could have asked J.P. Morgan Chase to help construct the Middle East's most modern financial system. He could have called Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to help build world-class hospitals. Teams from Georgetown, NYU, and Stanford could have helped establish universities whose graduates could outthink anyone from Cairo to Kabul.

Estonian experts could have jetted in to explain how free trade and a flat tax can enrich small nations with powerful next-door neighbors. The world would have come running to help elevate this benighted, Denver-sized territory into an oasis from which the mirage of Middle East peace could blossom into reality -- if Gazans only asked.

But no.

Top Gazans had a different development strategy: Fling rockets at Israel.

Between Israel's disengagement from Gaza through last November 30, Palestinian forces fired 3,123 rockets into southern Israel, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs calculates. Since Hamas seized control in June 2007, Gazans have shot 1,685 rockets into Israel -- 1,212 of them between January 1 and November 30, 2008. Hamas fired 177 missiles at Israel, even during a June 19-December 19, 2008 "state of calm." Indeed, rockets are Gaza's chief export.

Gazans also fired 2,299 mortar shells into Israel since 2005. Israelis traded land for peace. Instead, they got land for pieces of shrapnel. Since Israel withdrew, Gaza's rockets and mortars have pummeled southern Israel, killing 17, wounding 851, and terrorizing some 200,000 others.

Israel has had it with these explosions and casualties. It is defending itself appropriately, despite complaints that Israel's response is not proportional. If proportionality is key, may Israel shoot 5,422 missiles and mortars indiscriminately into Gaza's residential neighborhoods?
Israel's critics hush up when Hamas uses Gazans as human shields. Hamas' TV broadcasts ask civilian men, women, and children to protect suspected terror sites from expected Israeli strikes.

"This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahadeen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine," Hamas parliamentarian Fathi Hammad said on Al-Aqsa TV last Feb. 29. "It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.' "

Israel's self-defense will be tough on rank-and-file Palestinians. Some of them will get stuck in the cross fire as Israel disarms Hamas. This is sad, but inevitable. As Gazans curse Israel's jets, they should remind themselves that they had a perfect chance to make the world proud, and they blew it.

Deroy Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University. E-mail him at deroy.Murdock@gmail.com
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What do you think?

Aaron wrote:No, send in special forces with some air cover to root out and eliminate those shooting the rockets, not carpet bomb the entire region killing whoever happens to be there and justifying it by saying "We told them to get out of the way."

YEAH, sure Aaron, that is the way the Cops in Charleston, Huntington, LA, DC, etc. do it to root out and arrest all those gang members that are selling drugs, killing people, etc.

I had forgotten about that. Must be my CRS is flaring up again.



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Sorry about that. (My granddaughter again...)

sodbuster wrote:All people have the right to defend themselves, Stephanie.

I can only imagine how shrill would be your call for retaliation if we were being shelled by the outlaw Mexicans.

But it's different when it is the children of Israel, who have been despised and condemned throughout history for their status as heirs of the Promise.

All people have the right to defend themselves except Muslims, right Sherm?

What Muslims have the right to defend themselves from Zionism? The Palestinians obviously don't. For that matter the Syrians, the Lebanese, and the Iranians don't either. Even the USA doesn't have the right to protect herself from radical Zionism, as history has proven time and again for over 40 years now.

sodbuster wrote:The rest of the story...

Israel has bent over backwards to achieve a peaceful co-existence with the people of Gaza.

What did they get in return?

Rockets and mortars launched indiscriminately into civilian areas.

You guys conveniently overlook these flagrant acts of war in your zeal to blame the Israelis.

The Jews are not to blame for the world's troubles.

Any more than they were to blame back in the 1930's.

"Hamas rockets blew away Gaza opportunity
DEROY MURDOCK
/ Imagine it's 1964. President Lyndon Johnson just signed the landmark Civil Rights Act. Martin Luther King, Jr. celebrates by ordering his supporters to launch missiles from black neighborhoods into white communities. Picture the rockets' red glare as they rise from Watts and land in Beverly Hills. Up they soar in Harlem, and down they rain on the Upper West Side.

Such mayhem would have triggered a white crackdown on black areas. The squandered opportunity for greater racial equality and economic prosperity would have hobbled black progress, probably for decades. Barack Obama's presidential victory might have been a non-starter had Dr. King taken this low road.

Thank God Almighty, he did not.

While imperfect, this analogy approximates today's conflict between Palestinians and Israelis in the Gaza Strip. Israel's recent military retaliation violence would have been unnecessary had the leaders of Gaza capitalized on the excellent hand they were dealt.

Israelis withdrew from Gaza in August 2005. Israeli soldiers literally dragged devout Jews kicking and screaming from land they believed the Torah granted them. Authorities evacuated 21 Jewish settlements, dismantled 38 synagogues, and even excavated 47 deceased Jews from Gaza's Gush Katif cemetery. Unwanted dead or alive, the Israelis vanished from Gaza without a trace. The 8,150 Jews who lived there linger only in the memories of their Palestinian ex-neighbors.

Gaza's leaders had the opportunity of a millennium. "Free at last, free at last," a Palestinian King could have said. "Now, watch us flourish." A Gazan MLK could have asked J.P. Morgan Chase to help construct the Middle East's most modern financial system. He could have called Johns Hopkins and the Mayo Clinic to help build world-class hospitals. Teams from Georgetown, NYU, and Stanford could have helped establish universities whose graduates could outthink anyone from Cairo to Kabul.

Estonian experts could have jetted in to explain how free trade and a flat tax can enrich small nations with powerful next-door neighbors. The world would have come running to help elevate this benighted, Denver-sized territory into an oasis from which the mirage of Middle East peace could blossom into reality -- if Gazans only asked.

But no.

Top Gazans had a different development strategy: Fling rockets at Israel.

Between Israel's disengagement from Gaza through last November 30, Palestinian forces fired 3,123 rockets into southern Israel, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs calculates. Since Hamas seized control in June 2007, Gazans have shot 1,685 rockets into Israel -- 1,212 of them between January 1 and November 30, 2008. Hamas fired 177 missiles at Israel, even during a June 19-December 19, 2008 "state of calm." Indeed, rockets are Gaza's chief export.

Gazans also fired 2,299 mortar shells into Israel since 2005. Israelis traded land for peace. Instead, they got land for pieces of shrapnel. Since Israel withdrew, Gaza's rockets and mortars have pummeled southern Israel, killing 17, wounding 851, and terrorizing some 200,000 others.

Israel has had it with these explosions and casualties. It is defending itself appropriately, despite complaints that Israel's response is not proportional. If proportionality is key, may Israel shoot 5,422 missiles and mortars indiscriminately into Gaza's residential neighborhoods?
Israel's critics hush up when Hamas uses Gazans as human shields. Hamas' TV broadcasts ask civilian men, women, and children to protect suspected terror sites from expected Israeli strikes.

"This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahadeen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine," Hamas parliamentarian Fathi Hammad said on Al-Aqsa TV last Feb. 29. "It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.' "

Israel's self-defense will be tough on rank-and-file Palestinians. Some of them will get stuck in the cross fire as Israel disarms Hamas. This is sad, but inevitable. As Gazans curse Israel's jets, they should remind themselves that they had a perfect chance to make the world proud, and they blew it.

Deroy Murdock is a columnist with Scripps Howard News Service and a media fellow with the Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace at Stanford University. E-mail him at deroy.Murdock@gmail.com
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What do you think?

Blah, blah, blah.....

More horse shit, Sherm. You're leaving out a number of crucial details. Like, how many illegal settlements Israel built in the West Bank since pulling out of Gaza. Like how they've been building a wall of segregation, destroying Palestinian homes and places of worship in the process. Like how rabid Zionists refuse to allow Muslims to travel to Mecca and return home, or Palestinian doctors to travel overseas and return to the nation of their birth. Like how god's chosen people have displaced millions of human beings and refuse to let them come home. Like how the Israelis have refused to let dying people and women in labor to cross check points to receive medical treatment.

Do you think the people in Gaza don't know about all of these events? Should they not care about their Palestinian brothers and sisters and parents and cousins living as refugees? Should they just forget about family and friends having their homes destroyed for another illegal Jewish settlement or the Apartheid wall?

If Mexico were to launch an attack on our countrymen in Texas, should West Virginians and Californians and Alaskans just shrug it off and say, "Oh well, that's in Texas. No sweat off our asses"?

If Mexico were to launch an attack on our countrymen in Texas, should West Virginians and Californians and Alaskans just shrug it off and say, "Oh well, that's in Texas. No sweat off our asses"?

I think some of those arrogant Texans could stand to be humbled a wee bit.

Well Steph let me get this straight and dont get mad ok.

It sounds like you are saying it is ok for the Hamas terrorists to launch rockets indiscriminately into Israel. Because they have it coming.

I hope I am wrong but that's how it comes across.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/01/could_have_seen_this_war_comin.html

This might give a little more balanced view of what led up to the Israeli response...

No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying the Israelis should expect the Palestinians will continue attempts at self defense and self determination.

You can defend the Zionists all you like, it doesn't alter the facts of what they have done and continue to do to the people who have lived on that land for hundreds, even thousands of years. You excuse it based on fairy tales written and rewritten and translated over and over again for thousands of years that different people have different interpretations of.

You excuse away the bombing of the USS Liberty, the theft of nuclear secrets, and the attack on a relief vessel carrying doctors, nurses, journalists and a former US Congresswoman. You make no mention of how the Israeli Army is slaughtering children or how they have refused to allow even Red Cross doctors and nurses in to care for the wounded.

You make excuses for the inexcusable. Shame on them and shame on all those who enable them.

"You excuse away the bombing of the USS Liberty, the theft of nuclear secrets, and the attack on a relief vessel carrying doctors, nurses, journalists and a former US Congresswoman..."

That is not true.

I have made no mention of the U.S.S. Liberty, nuclear secrets, or any attack on a relief vessel.

You just made that up.

If there are any fairy tales being told, they originate in your own imagination. Not mine.

I can see where this discussion is headed, so I am done with it.

Sherm,

You ignore posts about the USS Liberty and the Israeli theft of US nuclear secrets and the Israeli attack on relief vessels. I'm not making those incidents up, they all happened but you'd never know it if you relied strictly on the major news outlets in this country.

I didn't make those things up. They all happened and perhaps you're not excusing them, but you certainly are ignoring them.