A question for TerryRC

Who convinced Europeans that the Himalaya Mountain Glaciers were melting away by 2035?i

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Who convinced Europeans that the Himalaya Mountain Glaciers were melting away by 2035?i

Who cares.

So the number turned out to be 2350 instead of 2035. That is still a blink in geologic time.

How about the Pacific NW? Vancouver can't get snow and I read Seattle had better than 10 days in a row over 100F - in the fall, I believe.

Unprecedented!

How about the Pacific NW? Vancouver can't get snow and I read Seattle had better than 10 days in a row over 100F - in the fall, I believe.

Unprecedented!

HA, it's only "Unprecedented" in the minds of those who don't have a clue as to the effects that the Jet Stream has on surface temperatures.

But those that can interpret the effects created by the position of the Jet Stream can readily see why Vancouver is currently experiencing temperatures that are too warm to produce snowfall, to wit:

Jet Stream - Pacific Northwest - February 20, 2010



Source reference = http://squall.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html

But but but...

You point to the unusual level of snow in your backyard and say "global warming is a myth".

All other anomalies that are to the contrary elsewhere you pass off as "business as usual".

How non-scientific of you.

Any comments on my observation:

So the number turned out to be 2350CE instead of 2035CE. That is still a blink in geologic time.

TerryRC wrote:But but but...

You point to the unusual level of snow in your backyard and say "global warming is a myth".

All other anomalies that are to the contrary elsewhere you pass off as "business as usual".

How non-scientific of you.

Hey dumb shidt, was it cold and snowy and snow on the ground in WV on or about the 10th of February, 2010.

Well duh, it didn't surprise me because ........ to wit:



Wasn't it also cold and snowy in WV on or about the 16th of February, 2010

Well duh, looky at where the Jet Stream was then, ........ to wit:



It was still sucking that cold air out of Canada right down to WV, wasn't it. Along with water vapor off the Great Lakes. A miracle of nature no less.

And I'll be damned, the temperature here in WV has been moderating in the past few days. Well shidt, tain't no wonder, looky see herey, to wit:



TRC, you would greatly improve your intellect if you didn't engage in your favorite pastime at the same time as your are posting to this forum.

Sam. Vancover and the Pacific NW has had the warmerst fall and winter ON RECORD.

If our snow, here, is evidence against global warming, isn't that evidence FOR global warming?

Calling me a dumb shit doesn't answer that question.

TerryRC wrote:Sam. Vancover and the Pacific NW has had the warmerst fall and winter ON RECORD.

If our snow, here, is evidence against global warming, isn't that evidence FOR global warming?

Calling me a dumb shit doesn't answer that question.

Well I'll be damned, its snowing on us again the past couple days here in WV. I had better check that Jet Stream map for today.

YUP, sure nuff, here is the reason.


Too bad some dumb shits can't read or understand those weather maps.

They probably think that any evidence for a Jet Stream is also evidence against there being a Jet Stream. They sure are weird people, ya know.

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Sam, you didn't address my question. Reposting a map that you then fail to explain the relevance of doesn't cut it.

You point to our local weather anomalies and say "global warming is a lie", yet you say anomalies at the opposite end of the scale are just business as usual.

The jet stream is there every year. Why so warm this year?

Try and answer without calling me names.

Look at the map for …. 10 Feb 2010, the primary thrust of the Jet Stream is positioned below WV and if you notice those little “blue arrows” which indicate wind direction it means the Jet Stream is sucking that cold moist Canadian air down into WV.

And when that moist air gets pushed up and over WV’s mountains it gets colder and that moister precipitates out as snowfall.

And then by 16 Feb 2010, the next map, it had moved farther down over the Midwest and was really sucking that moister off the Great Lakes.

But then by 21 Feb 2010, the next map, it had moved back North of WV and the temperature here in WV moderated a wee bit. And that is because it was sucking warmer air up out of the South and thus it warmed up some.

And then by 27 Feb 2010, the next map, it had moved back even farther South to Texas and the Carolinas and they got a ton of snow and cold temperatures all across the South ..... and the East coast from DC to NY got hammered with another blizzard.

Here is another “picture” of the Jet Stream for 27 Feb 2010 which just shows the “primary thrust” position.


And thereon you can see how fast it changed positions between Saturday and Tuesday.

The Northern Jet in the Northern Hemisphere meanders southward in the Winter and North in the Summer and no one really knows for sure what causes it's meandering and breaking up and splintering ........ or where it is going to meander to a week from now, ....... let alone a month or 6 months from now.

Did you know that the Japanese was the first to discover the Jet Stream and they tried to use it to "firebomb" the West Coast during WWII?


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So why so warm in the Pacific NW THIS year?

As I said, the Jet Stream is always there.

Jet streams move, don't they? It is my understanding (I certainly confess to limited knowlege of jet streams) that the current pattern is the result of either el nino or la nina.

Jet streams move, don't they? It is my understanding (I certainly confess to limited knowlege of jet streams) that the current pattern is the result of either el nino or la nina.

Then it is no less a statistical fluke that our unusually snowy winter.

So why is our snowy winter a "statistical fluke" but a warmer Vancouver is global warming caused by human activity?

Why aren't we justified for being skeptical, particularly in light of "Climategate"?

So why is our snowy winter a "statistical fluke" but a warmer Vancouver is global warming caused by human activity?

I never said it was.

Keli and Sam implied our local weather was evidence AGAINST global warming and I pointed out that the Pacific NW is experiencing their WARMEST WINTER EVER.

Sam is the one saying the evidence against his argument is a statistical fluke, not I.

Also, even with a few crusaders that are altering their data, the evidence for global warming is very strong and plentiful.

Piltdown Man didn't cause us to throw away evolutionary theory, did it.

Evolutionary theory is based on scientific fact.

Global warming theory is based in large part upon lies and deceit.

Global warming theory is based in large part upon lies and deceit.

Says you. It is also based upon a good bit of honest science in disciplines across the board.

We can see trends in insect populations that can only be explained by temperature rises. You going to tell me that is a lie or that I am attempting to deceive?

I am telling you I no longer have any faith in the so-called scientists gathering, reporting and analyzing the numbers.

I am telling you I no longer have any faith in the so-called scientists gathering, reporting and analyzing the numbers.

On insect populations? Is it a conspiracy across disciplines?

Faith. Interesting word.

If you do a little more research, you may find your opinion changing.

Then again, it is just easier to go with what you want to believe. Goes along with that faith thing.

How about trust? Is that a better word? I don't trust them. People are justified in their doubts. Is the earth warming? I don't know. Perhaps it did a bit, perhaps it still is. Would that be anything new, or even unusual? Absolutely not. If it did warm, even if it continues to warm, is that necessarily the result of human activity? Nope. We know the earth has warmed and cooled since the big bang. At least, that's what the scientist have told us.

You're going to have to forgive me if I'm not willing to sacrifice the US economy, or my way of life because some people tell me the sky is falling. I'm not going to do it, particularly in light of the fact that we now know some of the "data" was fudged, and some of the people yelling the loudest are making fortunes all the while not practicing what they're preaching.

TerryRC wrote:Global warming theory is based in large part upon lies and deceit.

Says you. It is also based upon a good bit of honest science in disciplines across the board.

We can see trends in insect populations that can only be explained by temperature rises. You going to tell me that is a lie or that I am attempting to deceive?

Now TRC, are you referring to Interglacial Warming or Anthropogenic Warming?

Now there is Global Warming and there is Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and as a Degreed Scientist you should specifically denote exactly which one (1) you are referring to whenever you make such a statement concerning an event for which there are two (2) opposing "causes" for said single event.

Now I know which type of "warming" Steph is referring to and that was AGW, which I am sure you knew that also, ....... but am I assuming correctly that your statement was specifically referring to the Interglacial Global Warming?

If my assumption is incorrect then your reply was either in error or was disengenuous on your part.


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Now there is Global Warming and there is Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and as a Degreed Scientist you should specifically denote exactly which one (1) you are referring to whenever you make such a statement concerning an event for which there are two (2) opposing "causes" for said single event.

Sam. You didn't answer the question. Why so warm in the Pacific NW THIS year? The Jet Stream is there EVERY year.

I am already on record (and Sheik can back me up) as saying that I do not think global warming is caused by people but is, indeed, made worse by people's activities.

You're going to have to forgive me if I'm not willing to sacrifice the US economy, or my way of life because some people tell me the sky is falling. I'm not going to do it, particularly in light of the fact that we now know some of the "data" was fudged, and some of the people yelling the loudest are making fortunes all the while not practicing what they're preaching.

People said the same thing about the acid rain problem in the 70's and 80's. "This is all BS...", they said. "This will destroy the American economy...", they said. "This will take profits away from industry and put it in the hands of people that make these 'scrubbers'...". "They" were wrong.

As I said, and you failed to give a good answer to my analogy; Piltdown man did not destroy evolution (and Keli would not agree that evolution is based on scientific fact, as you say) nor does climategate destroy the scads of independent evidence to support global warming.

You avoided the question, also. Do you think that entomologists and biologists are fudging their data? Geologists? You don't have trust in them? Better not take any new medicines or surgical procedures. Those medical scientists might have been fudging their data, also.

Scientists that have nothing to do with collecting data on temperature are comping up with evidence to support the fact that the earth is warming at an rate unobserved every before. Are they all in on this?

Climategate aside - how about expanding populations of things like pine shoot beetle and A. egypti? How about the increasingly melting permafrost above the Arctic Circle? How about the fact that, even thought the data on the Himalayas may have been fudged, several agencies have documented that most of the glaciers in the N. Hemisphere mid-latitudes are in retreat. How about the expanding areas experiencing drought throughout the world.

This conspiracy, Steph, - reality, itself, appears to be in on it.

Is a rise in temperature the only explanatino for the expansion of the pine shoot beatles' population? Is it possible that they've been that far north/south all along and we just haven't noticed?

Is it also possible than eons ago they were that far north/south and they are not so much introducing themselves but returning?

SheikBen wrote:Is a rise in temperature the only explanatino for the expansion of the pine shoot beatles' population?

They could be Mormon.