Terrorism ties un-mosqued.

I've surely heard some zionists say things that make me cringe, but as far as I can tell Hamas views every zionist with an equal amount of disapproval. Am I wrong?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I will tell you I view everyone interested in genocide with an equal amount of disapproval.

Do you equate zionism with genocide?

I most certainly do.

Stephanie wrote:I most certainly do.

I equate Islam with rabid antisemitism.

Stephanie wrote:I most certainly do.

Do you equate Mormonism with genocide?

No, do you?

Do you equate Mormonism with genocide?

Stephanie wrote:No, do you?

OOOOOHHH, you shouldn't have said that.

We have a motto in my home:
Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

Do you think that Mormons who would make Utah a Mormon state are practicing genocide?

What I'm getting at, Steph, is your definition of genocide.

genocide
noun
the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.


— n
the policy of deliberately killing a nationality or ethnic group

Then how has Israel practiced the deliberate and systematic extermination of the Palestinians? If they really wanted to, they could (and are choosing not to)

It seems to me they enjoy watching their suffering.

If they kill them all quickly, Israel will not only suffer the wrath of the Muslim world, but international condemnation. Perhaps this nation would continue to defend her, but certainly no other.

I don't think you can have it both ways, Stephanie. Either they are genocidal or they aren't. Do Israeli policies contribute to the suffering of people in Gaza? Certainly. I think they are motivated by security concerns rather than a desire for death.

Consider that there are Arabs in the Knesset. That would seem an odd reality if the Israelis were genocidal. Didn't see a lot of Jewish representation in the Nazi congress, did you?

Stephanie wrote:We have a motto in my home:
Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

on this we completely agree. There is a truly bizarre and scary trend in America that actually celebrates dishonesty, flattery, and weak-mindedness. I see it in both my college students and my delinquents. Whenever either group learns I actually want them to speak freely, it can be like a pandora's box of opinions is opened up that had been stifled.

I was debating a buddy of mine on the legacy of civil rights and I asked a question and he answered: "Do you want my honest opinion?" and I told him "No, lie to me."

I am glad that you do not think that Mormons are genocidal.

Ugh, for some reason my response to you didn't go through.

The Zionists are motivated by greed. They want the land, Mike. PERIOD. If security was the motivating factor you would have Jews leaving the USA to live in Israel.

The Nazis had uses for some Jews, Mike. The 10 or 12 Arab members of Knesset serve a purpose. They cannot increase wages or improve infant mortality rates or decrease unemployment among their people. They can't prevent the Zionists from stealing land for settlement expansion, or water for that matter. They can't provide Palestinians the right to return and they can't prevent the immigration of Jews from the four corners of the planet who increase demands for the limited land and other natural resources and spur more illegal settlement expansion. What they do is make you, and people like you, feel better. Those few Arabs are tokens, very valuable tokens for the Zionists.

SamCogar wrote:

Do you equate Mormonism with genocide?

Stephanie wrote:No, do you?

OOOOOHHH, you shouldn't have said that.

Stephanie wrote:We have a motto in my home:
Don't ask questions you don't want to hear the answer to.

OK, here is an answer to think about.

Joseph Smith, the son of a poor Vermont farmer founded the (Morman) church in Fayette, New York in 1830.

At first Smith attracted a small following but because of persecution the church moved to Ohio. Later they moved to Missouri and finally settled in Nauvoo, Illinois where they built a big city. Again, people resented the Mormons and rumors began that Smith has slyly introduced polygamy into Mormonism.

Smith was put in jail and on June 27, 1844 an enraged and armed mob assassinated Smith. The mob then proceeded to burn Mormon homes and the Mormon people had to flee. After that, Brigham Young, the head of the church's Council of the Twelve Apostles was voted leader of the church. He organized the historic march from Nauvoo, Illinois across the plains and mountains to the Great Salt Basin.
http://www.essortment.com/all/historymormons_rtaz.htm

Are you saying the Mormons were victims of genocide?

Stephanie wrote:Are you saying the Mormons were victims of genocide?

I'm saying you will have to prove they weren't.

•Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group

(An another account)

the Church was also established in Jackson County, Missouri which was designated as a center place for the gathering of the Saints, but as Church members moved in, cultural and religious differences increasingly strained community relationships and open conflict soon emerged. The Mormons were driven out of Jackson County into neighboring counties to the north.

When the economy at Kirtland collapsed in 1837 due to a failed banking venture and the national financial panic of the same year, church followers moved to join with the other adherents still in Missouri at a central place called Far West in Caldwell County. This move, however, proved short lived as conflicts continued to mount through the spring and summer of 1838. As raiding parties on both sides inflicted property damage on each other, the conflict quickly came to a head when the small Mormon community at Haun’s Mill was attacked and eighteen people killed and many others wounded. In the harsh winter of 1838, approximately 6,000 Mormons were forced to abandon their homes and leave the state.

This time the Saints moved east to the banks of the Mississippi river in Illinois and founded a new city called Nauvoo meaning the "city beautiful." A peaceful coexistence with their neighbors was not to be. Both internal conflicts and external societal and religious differences soon developed. Joseph Smith, as mayor of Nauvoo, ordered the suppression of some dissidents and violence erupted. Smith then called out the Nauvoo militia to protect the city as he and his brother, Hyrum, were arrested on charges of treason by Illinois authorities in June 1844. They were jailed in Carthage, Illinois and on June 27, 1844, a bitter mob broke into the jail and killed the brothers.
http://www.mhahome.org/about/mha_news.php

I would call that religious persecution, Sam. To me, genocide means something on a grander scale. At that time Mormons were far too few in number to be considered a political or cultural group. Persecution of a religious group with only 6000 members simply doesn't classify as genocide, at least not to me.

OK,

Stephanie wrote:Ugh, for some reason my response to you didn't go through.

The Zionists are motivated by greed. They want the land, Mike. PERIOD. If security was the motivating factor you would have Jews leaving the USA to live in Israel.

The Nazis had uses for some Jews, Mike. The 10 or 12 Arab members of Knesset serve a purpose. They cannot increase wages or improve infant mortality rates or decrease unemployment among their people. They can't prevent the Zionists from stealing land for settlement expansion, or water for that matter. They can't provide Palestinians the right to return and they can't prevent the immigration of Jews from the four corners of the planet who increase demands for the limited land and other natural resources and spur more illegal settlement expansion. What they do is make you, and people like you, feel better. Those few Arabs are tokens, very valuable tokens for the Zionists.

In Israel proper are infant mortality rates for Arabs higher or lower than those in Jordan?

I have no idea, and I don't see what difference that makes.

Do you think the term ethnic cleansing is more accurate? Perhaps it is. Surely you agree Israel is actively engaged, and has been for decades, in the ethnic cleansing of the Holy Land.

Stephanie,

It makes all the difference in the world of infant mortality rates in Israel vs Jordan if the Israelis are guilty of the genocide that you suggest they are, and are guilty of the charge of having patsies as Arab MK's.