Re: SPITZER: IT'S BOOSH'S FAULT!!

by **Stephanie** Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:17 pm

ziggy wrote:
Keli wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BREAKING NEWS!! SPITZER SAYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ALLOW THOSE BOOSH FISA WIRETAPS!!
Armon Ayers reports:

It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

Ziggy,

I agree with you BUT.......let's not forget who we're talking about here. This is a man who sold himself on the people of NY as a squeaky clean law & order man. As a prosecutor he went after this sort of thing and meanwhile he can't even control himself.

By any chance, did any of you see Alan Dipshit on CNN last night? He's defending Spitzer, saying he shouldn't be prosecuted because the law is bad. Jeepers crow! He kept calling it a tragedy, and in many respects it is. However, it is a tragedy entirely of Spitzer's own doing. He gets no sympathy from me and if his wife continues to stand by the husband who spent thousands of dollars for sexual services from a hooker while her teenage daughters watch, she will have none from me either. Whatever sympathy I have will be reserved for their daughters.

by ziggy Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:02 pm

Stephanie wrote:
ziggy wrote:
Keli wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BREAKING NEWS!! SPITZER SAYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ALLOW THOSE BOOSH FISA WIRETAPS!!
Armon Ayers reports:

It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

Ziggy,

I agree with you BUT.......let's not forget who we're talking about here. This is a man who sold himself on the people of NY as a squeaky clean law & order man. As a prosecutor he went after this sort of thing and meanwhile he can't even control himself.

By any chance, did any of you see Alan Dipshit on CNN last night? He's defending Spitzer, saying he shouldn't be prosecuted because the law is bad. Jeepers crow! He kept calling it a tragedy, and in many respects it is. However, it is a tragedy entirely of Spitzer's own doing. He gets no sympathy from me and if his wife continues to stand by the husband who spent thousands of dollars for sexual services from a hooker while her teenage daughters watch, she will have none from me either. Whatever sympathy I have will be reserved for their daughters.

I think Alan Combs was on while I was half-awake, half-asleep, and I do recall something about that.

I have no sympathy for Spitzer. But I think the federal government's priorities are all screwed up.

by Aaron Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:07 pm

ziggy wrote:Neither. We just took your word for it when you said you'd been celebate for 7 years.

So it wasn't your wife that 'provoked' you and got what you deserved or are you now saying that you've never hit a woman and that conversation between you and Sam about domestic violence didn't occur.

As for my word, what I said was in response to a conversation about making love and how you took it is not my responsibility. But for the record, it's now closer to 8 now. Now f@(%ing, on the other hand...

by Aaron Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:11 pm

ziggy wrote:
Keli wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
BREAKING NEWS!! SPITZER SAYS THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ALLOW THOSE BOOSH FISA WIRETAPS!!
Armon Ayers reports:

It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

You do know that the investigation was triggered by the Governor's bank notifying them over what they termed uncharacteristic and suspicious wire transfers and the reason for the initial investigation is because he was suspected of taking a bribe or of being dirty and had nothing to do with sex whatsoever.

What I find pathetic is that, as a former prosecutor, Spitzer should have known what amounts would trigger a notification and an investigation.

by ziggy Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:07 pm

I agree. He was incredibly foolish- almost like there was a desire to get caught, or maybe to see how close he could come without getting caught ...................

by ziggy Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:36 pm

Aaron wrote:You do know that the investigation was triggered by the Governor's bank notifying them over what they termed uncharacteristic and suspicious wire transfers and the reason for the initial investigation is because he was suspected of taking a bribe or of being dirty and had nothing to do with sex whatsoever.

Yes.

I received the following in an e-mail today. Whover wrote it had a political agenda (who doesn't?), but it is not inconsistent with Aaron's assertion, above- and which I think is likely spot on.

But think for a moment – how did Elliot Spitzer wind up being revealed as the client of a high-priced call girl agency? Was it because NYPD's finest detectives or a crusading Attorney General were bringing down illicit sexual activities? Was it because accusations of the Governor's secret behaviors, like Bill Clinton's or Larry Craig's, were circulating among the halls of power in Washington or Albany?

No. Thank the Patriot Act and the Bush administration for going through your personal records. The same Patriot Act that authorized the government to demand lists of your library check-outs and that permit the FBI to visit your house without a warrant and without ever notifying you also requests banks to report "suspicious" cash transactions. Governor Spitzer's bank deposits
were reported by a corporate bank (traded on Wall Steeet, that bulwark of pro-administration support) to the government as suspicious, and the IRS and FBI swooped in to investigate his possible deposits of bribe money. At least they didn't suggest he was a terrorist, too. If there's one thing no one would ever use in the same breath as Elliot Spitzer, it's the word "bribe."

If you could, this thorn in the side of the Bush administration and of corporate welfare would be long gone. But now there was a chance of claiming the need to investigate possible bribery on the part of America's most notoriously clean politician.

It's not bribery for a politician to pay for a call girl himself – it's bribery when somebody else pays for her to visit. Other than that, outside of Nevada, it's one of those crimes that's "illegal if you get caught." Spitzer certainly didn't get a gift; the transcripts of the wiretapped calls show his payment arrangements to the agency, which were really quite boring. No, everyplace does not take your American Express card. Most businesses still use cash. Most of them are even legitimate. And many if not most of us still take those paychecks to the bank and the grocery store to cash them.

But move enough cash in or out of the bank and the federal government wants to know. How much is enough to trigger suspicion? Spitzer only moved a few thousand dollars. Casinos don't even notify the IRS about player winnings for the amounts Spitzer moved It's a sad day in America when handling cash is suspect. In a day of rising bankruptcy, a weakening housing market, and a possible recession, cash (and, for the determined, stashes of gold and silver coins) becomes safer and cheaper than credit for many people of all income levels. But handle enough cash at the bank, and you're now triggering a federal investigation of why you have cash. Is the government hoping to help out banks and corporations, and keep the bankruptcy industry going, by demanding that interest-and-fee-laden electronic and credit transactions be the only safe and unsuspicious forms of money?

In America, first they came for Elliot Spitzer. Whose bank accounts and cash are next?

by **ohio county** Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:27 am

In 1976 I worked for Buckeye Savings & Loan. There were circumstances even then that would put a "hold" on your account. The Patriot Act and the actions of the Bush Administration might indeed be egregious and intrusive. I cannot say. My thinking is that responsibilities of your banker and intrusion on your rights by the federal government began much earlier.

by **ohio county** Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:45 am

The Associated Press, quoting unnamed law enforcement officials, said Spitzer's running tab for the trysts could have been as high as $80,000.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336688,00.html

by Aaron Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:57 am

$80,000.00.

For sex...

And this guy's supposed to be smart and runs a state...

Please...

by **SheikBen** Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:28 am

I don't know, Aaron. Are you married?

My wife will tell you that she has been "paying dearly" for sex for the past 9 years!

by Aaron Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:43 am

SheikBen wrote:I don't know, Aaron. Are you married?

My wife will tell you that she has been "paying dearly" for sex for the past 9 years!

Nope Mike, I'm not and I have no plans of re-marrying anytime in the near future.

It's my experience though that men will happily pay...it's getting the women to give it up once the lust is gone...

by SamCogar Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:22 am

ziggy wrote:
It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

Those FBI Agents were "doing their job" as mandated by Federal Law.

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by SamCogar Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:47 am

Aaron wrote:$80,000.00.

For sex...

And this guy's supposed to be smart and runs a state...

Please...

That $80K was an estimate for the past 10 years.

But so what, that's not as much a some women's monthly expenses.

And some men spend more than that on a "night out".

by Aaron Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:53 am

$8K per year??? I guess that's not too bad considering his wife probably blew 5 times that and he got probably got nothing from her...

by ziggy Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:54 am

SamCogar wrote:
ziggy wrote:
It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

Those FBI Agents were "doing their job" as mandated by Federal Law.

Yes, rounding up clients of high priced call girls is far more important than immigration laws and border security- and more fun, too.

by Aaron Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:21 pm

So you believe the federal government should have ignored this, huh Zig.

by SamCogar Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:18 pm

ziggy wrote:
SamCogar wrote:
ziggy wrote:
It's comforting to know that all the terrorists have been rounded up, that the borders are finally secure, and that the most important thing Federal Agents have to do is to eavedrop on whoremonger politicians.

Those FBI Agents were "doing their job" as mandated by Federal Law.

Yes, rounding up clients of high priced call girls is far more important than immigration laws and border security- and more fun, too.

Your repeated display of intentional and natural ignorance is truly appalling.

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by **Stephanie** Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:50 pm

Aaron wrote:$8K per year??? I guess that's not too bad considering his wife probably blew 5 times that and he got probably got nothing from her...

Youre just a pig. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a little tail that curls.

by Aaron Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:23 pm

Stephanie wrote:
Aaron wrote:$8K per year??? I guess that's not too bad considering his wife probably blew 5 times that and he got probably got nothing from her...

Youre just a pig. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you had a little tail that curls.

What I am my dear is a man and we're all pretty much the same. You can say not but when a woman stops fulfilling then the man will find it somewhere else.

by ziggy Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:42 pm

Aaron wrote:So you believe the federal government should have ignored this, huh Zig.

I believe that consesual, adult prostitution should not be a "federal case".

by ziggy Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:50 pm

Aaron wrote:So you believe the federal government should have ignored this, huh Zig.

I believe that consensual, adult sexual activities do not make a compelling federal criminal offense. And apparently the Feds agree. Because zillions of people cross state lines every day and engage in sexual activities. The FBI probably bothers to look into far less than one percent of those events. But when its a high profile politician of the opposite party who has sent a bunch of the sitting president's political party political friends up the river, it somehow warrants the time and energies of federal agents?

by **SheikBen** Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:19 pm

Ziggy,

I don't disagree that there are bigger fish to fry than prostitues and Johns. Mrs Spitzer should toss the dude out on his ear, and judging by his own campaign propaganda (telling of "taking a right on integrity street") he was probably right to resign (as the basis for his appeal to the people has proven false).

Should we go about ruining lives, however, because of their people's sexual indiscretions? I do not think so. However, it should be noted that Mr Spitzer himself was all about arresting Johns paying 250 a pop, not 4100 or so funneled through various channels. If what you are calling for is a general amount of grace in which it is left to the wife (or husband, if he is the wronged) how she is to respond to the matter, then I wholeheartedly agree. I believe that God will judge such sins well enough--we can use our courts for other concerns. But what is good for the goose is good for the gander--if we are going to seperate what is immoral from what is illegal (and I think in many cases we should), then we also have to ask what other "crimes" are being overzealously prosecuted.

I think the solution to the Spitzers of the world is not legal sanction but a change in society. We need to value marital fidelity more than we do the outward trappings of success. Until that happens, you could give the death penalty to hookers and the practice would yet continue.

by ziggy Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:02 pm

I agree, Mike, that Spitzer set himself up as a holier than thou target. And just as I take a little bit of what our friend Shermangeneral suggests is unhealthy, demented glee when sanctamonious moralizing preachers take a hit for their unlawful or other moral failings, I see some poetic "justice" in Spitzer biting the political dust over this. And surely some of his political enemies are offering many toasts "to Spitzer's whores" this week.

And in a larger sense I agree with your entire post. Nature's God takes its retribution for "sins against nature". In sexual "sins" that retribution can come in the form of STDs for philanderers and their partners, of hurt against and wrath from offended spouses and other family members, outside social (i.e. political and other) ostracisms, and all manner of complications of all this and more- including often probably the famous last words to oneself, "Now why the hell did I do that?"

So as I review your just above post, I gotta say you got that one just about right.

by Aaron Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:44 am

ziggy wrote:
Aaron wrote:So you believe the federal government should have ignored this, huh Zig.

I believe that consesual, adult prostitution should not be a "federal case".

He was under investigation for illegal wire transfers. Once they realized the scope of what was going on and who was involved, the potential for blackmail alone is enough reason to warrant the investigation.

by Aaron Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:48 am

ziggy wrote:
Aaron wrote:So you believe the federal government should have ignored this, huh Zig.

I believe that consensual, adult sexual activities do not make a compelling federal criminal offense. And apparently the Feds agree. Because zillions of people cross state lines every day and engage in sexual activities. The FBI probably bothers to look into far less than one percent of those events. But when its a high profile politician of the opposite party who has sent a bunch of the sitting president's political party political friends up the river, it somehow warrants the time and energies of federal agents?

The setting President or the opposition party had nothing to do with this and you know it. This investigation was triggered by his bank over wire transfers and it was believed that he was on the take.

This is the type of partisan garbage that is normally reserved for Sherm.

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