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Post by ohio county Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:09 am

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

The link above is a statement by Obama concerning transparency and openness in government upon his election in 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

The link above is to the New York Times reporting that Obama would reinstate by administrative fiat the "death panels" he could not get the U.S. Congress to openly legislate into Obamacare.

An e-mail to supporters from Washington Congressman Earl Blumenthal (D-umbass) continues this transparency initiative:

“Thus far, it seems that no press or blogs have discovered it, but we will be keeping a close watch and may be calling on you if we need a rapid, targeted response. The longer this goes unnoticed, the better our chances of keeping it.”

In the interview, Mr. Blumenauer said, “Lies can go viral if people use them for political purposes.”

Yes, lies can go viral but then so, too, can the truth. Does this validate in any way Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare contained provisions for "death panels"? You recall those assertions, don't you? They were removed quietly from Obamacare after having been cursorily denied by Pelosi's leadership team because they could not be passed by the Congress in a transparent and open environment.

Frankly I have no problem with a physician discussing end-of-life care with his or her patient. I do have a problem with the government incentivizing system employees (doctors) to influence patients to accept rationing of healthcare as it becomes more expensive and less worthy of the government's support.



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Post by Cato Sat Jan 01, 2011 9:19 am

ohio county wrote:http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/TransparencyandOpenGovernment/

The link above is a statement by Obama concerning transparency and openness in government upon his election in 2008.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/us/politics/26death.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

The link above is to the New York Times reporting that Obama would reinstate by administrative fiat the "death panels" he could not get the U.S. Congress to openly legislate into Obamacare.

An e-mail to supporters from Washington Congressman Earl Blumenthal (D-umbass) continues this transparency initiative:

“Thus far, it seems that no press or blogs have discovered it, but we will be keeping a close watch and may be calling on you if we need a rapid, targeted response. The longer this goes unnoticed, the better our chances of keeping it.”

In the interview, Mr. Blumenauer said, “Lies can go viral if people use them for political purposes.”

Yes, lies can go viral but then so, too, can the truth. Does this validate in any way Sarah Palin's assertion that Obamacare contained provisions for "death panels"? You recall those assertions, don't you? They were removed quietly from Obamacare after having been cursorily denied by Pelosi's leadership team because they could not be passed by the Congress in a transparent and open environment."

Frankly I have no problem with a physician discussing end-of-life care with his or her patient. I do have a problem with the government incentivizing system employees (doctors) to influence patients to accept rationing of healthcare as it becomes more expensive and less worthy of the government's support.


Back in 2008 in Philidelphia, the Black Panthers informed whites at some fo the polling place they were about to be ruled by the black man. Well guess what, that is exactly what has happened.

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Post by ohio county Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:33 pm

I have a lot of problems with the Black Panthers menacing voters at the polling places and I have a lot of problems with the Holder Justice Department failing to prosecute that. Barack Obama was democratically elected by a large majority of white folks. I don't feel threatened racially by his administration. I do feel threatened by his philosophy of government. Arguments over the size and scope of government are not racial, however. If my black brothers and sisters can rejoice in electing a black man, I can certainly understand that. It is no threat to me. Furthermore, the election of George W. Bush who is white as me was not a cause for celebration. Had he been the first white man - maybe.
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Post by Stephanie Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:09 pm

George W. Bush defeated Al (I invented the internet, inspired Love Story, the sky if falling) Gore. I celebrated.
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Post by Cato Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:45 pm

ohio county wrote:I have a lot of problems with the Black Panthers menacing voters at the polling places and I have a lot of problems with the Holder Justice Department failing to prosecute that. Barack Obama was democratically elected by a large majority of white folks. I don't feel threatened racially by his administration. I do feel threatened by his philosophy of government. Arguments over the size and scope of government are not racial, however. If my black brothers and sisters can rejoice in electing a black man, I can certainly understand that. It is no threat to me. Furthermore, the election of George W. Bush who is white as me was not a cause for celebration. Had he been the first white man - maybe.

I have alot of problems with the race card coming up in every political discussion where your illustrious black presdient is called to task for his policies.

As far as black voting for and celebrating simply because Obama is black makes them every bit as racist as the most ardent skin head or KKK member.

Just a footnote here by the way, of the past white presidents as far back as I can remember, they have all been garbage with the exception of Reagan. The only reason I look up to Ronald Reagan is that he believed in the ability of the people of this nation and in this nation's basic decency.

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Post by ohio county Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:59 pm

Your first post was that we are being ruled by the black man. I think you introduced the "race" card. Obama is a socialist. I don't care if he's purple.
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Post by Cato Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:15 pm

ohio county wrote:Your first post was that we are being ruled by the black man. I think you introduced the "race" card. Obama is a socialist. I don't care if he's purple.

Yes, I intoduced the race card. Obama is a just one more of the Sharpton, Jackson crowd that thinks he's owed because he's black. In fact, that is the only thing he has going for him. He's too stupid to govern. However, when the black community supported him solely because of his color, the race card was played.

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Post by ohio county Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:28 pm

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2010/12/31/a-union-boss-in-charge-of-procurements-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/

There's a lot of room for corruption and cronyism in this administration. It doesn't matter what color the President is.
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Post by Cato Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:25 am

ohio county wrote:http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2010/12/31/a-union-boss-in-charge-of-procurements-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/

There's a lot of room for corruption and cronyism in this administration. It doesn't matter what color the President is.

There is alot of room of corruption in any administration. Of course when you are talking about an administration and president with the morals of an alley cat, crap tends to happen.

The part that gets me is, if it was a white man in office, no matter his party he would betaken to task, but not so for Obama.


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Post by Stephanie Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:39 am

ohio county wrote:Your first post was that we are being ruled by the black man. I think you introduced the "race" card. Obama is a socialist. I don't care if he's purple.

Spot on!
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Post by Aaron Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:10 am

I'm not trying to defend Cato here because it is true that he was the one who introduced race into this conversation but I will say that more often times then not, when the subject is interjected into the conversation, it is done so by the left and not the right.

It is a tactic that was not only used in the general elections against McCain but also in the primary against (sex goddess) Hillary. It's also been used every time one of President Obama's policies is receiving negative exposure.

If we truly want to end the 'race' card then it needs to be ended from BOTH sides. Of course, if those on the right would stop bringing up race, it would be much easier to point out its use by those on the left. Unfortunately, there are still those who do not like him simply because he is a black man.

Personally, I do not like him because he is one of the worst leaders in American history.
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Post by Keli Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:30 pm

The Obama administration IS one of the most open in history--thanks to Wkilleaks.
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Post by SheikBen Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:57 am

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ohio county wrote:http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2010/12/31/a-union-boss-in-charge-of-procurements-what-could-possibly-go-wrong/

There's a lot of room for corruption and cronyism in this administration. It doesn't matter what color the President is.

There is alot of room of corruption in any administration. Of course when you are talking about an administration and president with the morals of an alley cat, crap tends to happen.

The part that gets me is, if it was a white man in office, no matter his party he would betaken to task, but not so for Obama.


I do not agree.

The media, to be sure, loves them the liberals. It could be Kucinich, Stalin, or Sharpton, and it really wouldn't matter. It's not race. As proof, consider how they go after Clarence Thomas and other black conservatives.

I'm with Jimmy. I don't care if Obama is purple. He could be a German Evangelical Christian just like me, and ya know what? He would be, in Jimmy's term, just as big of a D-umbass.


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Post by SheikBen Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:00 am

Meanwhile when it comes to death panels, liberals don't seem to get what a 4th grader would be able to ascertain in 30 seconds.

Consider the united kingdom, which has a bureaucracy called NICE (and if THAT ain't ironic, nothing is) which stands for somethign along the lines of National Institute for Clinical Excellence. they set a QALY (quality adjusted life year) and accept or reject treatments based on a calculus, somewhat more involved than 5th grade math but not much, that effectively puts a price on one year of human life (adjusted for improvement of quality).

They are called death panels, but if it makes the liberals easier to call them "George W Bush" so that they can hate them too, that's fine.

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Post by Cato Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:24 am

SheikBen wrote:

The media, to be sure, loves them the liberals. It could be Kucinich, Stalin, or Sharpton, and it really wouldn't matter. It's not race. As proof, consider how they go after Clarence Thomas and other black conservatives.

This because Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Herman Cain, and other black conservatives aren't like most blacks. They are syou state conservative, i.e generally like the white population.

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I'm with Jimmy. I don't care if Obama is purple. He could be a German Evangelical Christian just like me, and ya know what? He would be, in Jimmy's term, just as big of a D-umbass.


It is of little consequence to me what color the man is. Like you I don't care about his color, however, I am telling you that he is what he is to some degree because of his color. He uses his color as means to a political end. Now you can believe that or you don't have to, either way is fine with me.

What I do care about is the free ride he has got and how those who have challenged him have been labeled racist.

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Post by Cato Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:31 am

SheikBen wrote:Meanwhile when it comes to death panels, liberals don't seem to get what a 4th grader would be able to ascertain in 30 seconds.

Consider the united kingdom, which has a bureaucracy called NICE (and if THAT ain't ironic, nothing is) which stands for somethign along the lines of National Institute for Clinical Excellence. they set a QALY (quality adjusted life year) and accept or reject treatments based on a calculus, somewhat more involved than 5th grade math but not much, that effectively puts a price on one year of human life (adjusted for improvement of quality).

They are called death panels, but if it makes the liberals easier to call them "George W Bush" so that they can hate them too, that's fine.

Welp! You can thank the media's love affair with America's first black president. You can also thank a congress that don't give a damn about the public or what the public thinks.

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Post by Stephanie Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:42 am

Cato, do you ever read what you post? Do you ever listen to yourself?
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Post by Cato Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:10 am

Stephanie wrote:Cato, do you ever read what you post? Do you ever listen to yourself?

Yea!! Now explain to me what bothers you about my post.

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Post by Stephanie Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:09 pm

It isn't just this thread, Cato. My husband has a saying, "don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to".

You come across as a major bigot, and it isn't just race. It's race, ethnicity, and religion.

You blame Obama's race. His race isn't the problem. The problem is he's a socialist evolving into a despot. That's the trouble with Obama.

I am not defined by the color of my skin and neither is our President.
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Post by SheikBen Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:48 pm

Cato,

I don't doubt that he got more votes than he otherwise would by catering to folks wanting to make history with the first black president. On that, we agree.

I disagree that most blacks are not conservative. I think many blacks have been taken in by hucksters, primarily Democrats, but then again so too have white West Virginians even recently.

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Post by Cato Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:45 am

Stephanie wrote:It isn't just this thread, Cato. My husband has a saying, "don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to".

You come across as a major bigot, and it isn't just race. It's race, ethnicity, and religion.

You blame Obama's race. His race isn't the problem. The problem is he's a socialist evolving into a despot. That's the trouble with Obama.

I am not defined by the color of my skin and neither is our President.

I am a long ways from a racist. There are blacks I respect. However, I am truthful enough to admit I make some judgements based on color and the preception they present. You on the other hand, like to think you are above that. I'll bet you aren't. I'm willing to bet you that when you walk down the street and see a group of young black men your preception, and maybe even reaction is different than if it was a group of young white men. I'll bet you that you are more on guard when you come across of group of young blacks than when you come across a group of young whites. If you say you aren't, you are a liar. The preception the black race presents is one of victimhood and hatred toward any group that has worked to better themselves. Don't believe me, watch how a majority of blacks are presented in media and how they act. I certainly don't see many complaining about they are pertrayed, so it must be that a majoirty of the black community agrees. It is the same as I have said with muslims, silence speaks volumes.

You state race isn't the problem. You are wrong, race is the problem. Race is what elected the Obama. Shiekben makes the statement that a majority of blacks are conservative. If that is a true statement then the only conclusion one can come to is that the black community is very racist in that they voted for a socialistic boob, against what they beleive and thier best interests, solely because of his color. Martin Luther King's statement that he dreamed of time when a person was judged by their charactor, not their color, certainly fell on deaf ears this time.


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Post by Cato Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:47 am

SheikBen wrote:Cato,

I don't doubt that he got more votes than he otherwise would by catering to folks wanting to make history with the first black president. On that, we agree.

I disagree that most blacks are not conservative. I think many blacks have been taken in by hucksters, primarily Democrats, but then again so too have white West Virginians even recently.

As I answered Stephanie if what you say is so, then the most racist group of people is the black community. They voted for the man, against their interests, solely because he's black.

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Post by Stephanie Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:09 am

Cato wrote:
Stephanie wrote:It isn't just this thread, Cato. My husband has a saying, "don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to".

You come across as a major bigot, and it isn't just race. It's race, ethnicity, and religion.

You blame Obama's race. His race isn't the problem. The problem is he's a socialist evolving into a despot. That's the trouble with Obama.

I am not defined by the color of my skin and neither is our President.

I am a long ways from a racist. There are blacks I respect. However, I am truthful enough to admit I make some judgements based on color and the preception they present. You on the other hand, like to think you are above that. I'll bet you aren't. I'm willing to bet you that when you walk down the street and see a group of young black men your preception, and maybe even reaction is different than if it was a group of young white men. I'll bet you that you are more on guard when you come across of group of young blacks than when you come across a group of young whites. If you say you aren't, you are a liar. The preception the black race presents is one of victimhood and hatred toward any group that has worked to better themselves. Don't believe me, watch how a majority of blacks are presented in media and how they act. I certainly don't see many complaining about they are pertrayed, so it must be that a majoirty of the black community agrees. It is the same as I have said with muslims, silence speaks volumes.

You state race isn't the problem. You are wrong, race is the problem. Race is what elected the Obama. Shiekben makes the statement that a majority of blacks are conservative. If that is a true statement then the only conclusion one can come to is that the black community is very racist in that they voted for a socialistic boob, against what they beleive and thier best interests, solely because of his color. Martin Luther King's statement that he dreamed of time when a person was judged by their charactor, not their color, certainly fell on deaf ears this time.


Am I a racist? You bet. I have never denied that. In fact, I believe EVERYONE is racist to some degree. That said, I have friends who are black & Asian and Latino. One of my oldest friends, in fact one of the most successful relationships of my life, is with a guy by the name of Sundeep. No kidding. He is a naturalized American citizen who emigrated here with his parents Vishram & Lalita at the age of 3 from India. He too is racist.

Race did not elect Barack Obama. If race were the determining factor our new President would surely be white, as most Americans are white. People of all colors voted for Obama against their interests. Are there people who voted for him because he is black? Of course, but there are also plenty of voters who cast ballots against him for the same reason.

I'm not afraid of young black men. I suspect they have little to no interest in a frumpy, overweight, middle-aged housewife. Statistically most victims of crimes committed by blacks in this country are black. The only person ever to commit a violent crime against me was a white man. Should I fear or despise all white men?

You're the one who doesn't see himself clearly when looking in a mirror. You are a bigot. You prejudge people based upon factors like color and religion and sexual orientation. You think you are better than people who don't look, think, and believe like you.
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Post by Cato Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:30 am

Stephanie wrote: You're the one who doesn't see himself clearly when looking in a mirror. You are a bigot. You prejudge people based upon factors like color and religion and sexual orientation. You think you are better than people who don't look, think, and believe like you.

First of all, I didn't expect an honest answer, and you certainly didn't let me down.

Secondly, You are absolutely right and I don't deny the fact that in your eyes I would be a bigot.

I openly admit, that when I look at the black community as a whole I see a group of the most racist hateful people around who feel that whitie owes them a living. They must fell that way because as a community they support politicians that pass laws in that regard.

I openly and for the record admit that I do not trust muslims as far as I could pick one up and throw them. From what I have seen and heard they would lie to advance their cause. Additionally, it is very obvious that the islamibots either agree with the fanatic fringe or lack the guts to stand or their own two feet and speak out against all the violance and hate. Even if they did speak out, how could one believe them.

I openly admit, I want very little to do with homosexuals, in the same way I don't want alot to do with murders and theives. I believe in absolute right and wrong. As long as a homosexual practices their activities, I want no part of them.

If that makes me a bigot, so be it.


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Post by Stephanie Fri Jan 07, 2011 8:42 am

Am I a racist? You bet.
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