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ziggy wrote:

SamCogar wrote:HUUUUUMMMMM, ……. do you often experience those “delusions of grander”?

Nah, Ms. Ziggy don't let me. Last night I showed her Stephanie's reply to this. She said, "Right on, Stephanie. Ziggy ain't foolin' no one one but hisself". I don't get no respect.

Does Mrs. Ziggy know who George is?

No. She's the jealous, suspicious type. So shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

LMAO!!! I think I really like Mrs. Ziggy!

I wish Aaron would use his super sleuth powers for finding Robo & Keith & Dino & Hyper and all of the others. *sighs*

Maybe George is who Mrs. Ziggy is talking to in her sleep and it's registered in your sub conscience Frank.

At any rate, I'm not George. I'm Aaron and I have no super slueth powers. I have an old Bat Belt from when I was a kid but no slueth powers. Sorry.

I however am the 14th reincarnation of the Buddha, which should be plainly seen by everyone.

Just don't force any of your religious beliefs through legislation and we'll be cool...

Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" as they put it. We need to get back to the place where we are tolerant of one another. Tolerance has really been nonexistant over the last 71/2 years. Especially since September 11. Is not really part of the problem with some people voting for Barack Obama? His father's religion. Is that fair? In the entire history of our nation there has only been one non-Protestant President JFK. I hear lots of talk here that make it sound like Christians are the victims of intolerance. But if you look at who rises to the highest offices in our nation the opposite has been the truth for over 200 years. Perhaps the time has come to consider a different direction for our nation. One that doesn't make race or religion part of the equation. One that looks at intelligence, philosophy of life , character and integrity.

lindaredtail wrote:Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" as they put it. We need to get back to the place where we are tolerant of one another. Tolerance has really been nonexistant over the last 71/2 years. Especially since September 11.

Now Linda, when all of those "Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" ....... stand up and publically admonish, criticize, badmouth and berate the actions and Religious beliefs of those who want to kill all "infidels" ............. then I will believe they are not bad and are tolerant of others.

But as long as those "not all Muslims" ..... tolerate those "infidel killing Muslims" ...... I have to assume they are of the same mindset.

lindaredtail wrote:Is not really part of the problem with some people voting for Barack Obama? His father's religion. Is that fair? In the entire history of our nation there has only been one non-Protestant President JFK. I hear lots of talk here that make it sound like Christians are the victims of intolerance. But if you look at who rises to the highest offices in our nation the opposite has been the truth for over 200 years. Perhaps the time has come to consider a different direction for our nation. One that doesn't make race or religion part of the equation. One that looks at intelligence, philosophy of life , character and integrity.

Linda, I agree 100% with you on that.

But you will never see that happen in your lifetime, or your children's lifetimes.

Not as long as Political Correctness takes precedence over Common Sense and Logical Reasoning …… and the small left-wing groups of liberals, socialists, queers, etc. are given “special privileges” not afforded to the public in general, ….. or as long as the adherents of the Muslim faith are given “special privileges” not afforded to those of other Religious beliefs and/or the public in general, ….. and etc., etc.

The blacks have had almost 150 years to help in the elimination of "race" as part of the equation ........ but the current divide now is worse than it was 100 years ago.

GEEEZE, their demanding that they be referred to as "African-American" ..... says it all.

In Europe, the blacks are not demanding they be referred to as "African-English" or "African-French" or ........... , now are they.

Linda, this 2008 Election cycle is ......... "all about" political control, race, entitlements and redistribution of wealth ........ and don't be fooling yourself into thinking it is something else.

Cheers

SheikBen wrote:I however am the 14th reincarnation of the Buddha, which should be plainly seen by everyone.

If I am ever reincarnated I think I would like to be an adult toy.

shermangeneral wrote:If I am ever reincarnated I think I would like to be an adult toy.

Sherm, there are adult toys of every shape, size, etc.- and including gender. So you might want to think about that again.

Well Zig I guess I am in over my head on this subject. I withdraw the comment....

shermangeneral wrote:Well Zig I guess I am in over my head on this subject. I withdraw the comment....

Now I think we just met a really honest man.

How many of us ever admit that we are in over our heads- even when we are drowning in our own drivel?

But Shermangeneral retreats and so will live to fight another day. So save your Confederate money boys, and your Dixie cups, too!

Now Linda, when all of those "Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" ....... stand up and publically admonish, criticize, badmouth and berate the actions and Religious beliefs of those who want to kill all "infidels" ............. then I will believe they are not bad and are tolerant of others.

But as long as those "not all Muslims" ..... tolerate those "infidel killing Muslims" ...... I have to assume they are of the same mindset.

Sam,

How to you propose they do that? In this country, and in others across Europe, when Muslim extremists have brought terror to innocent civilians, peaceful Muslim groups have taken out full page ads in major newspapers denouncing the bad acts of the whackos. Nobody pays any attention. I think they are at a loss for what to do. They do make attempts.

Stephanie wrote:

Now Linda, when all of those "Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" ....... stand up and publically admonish, criticize, badmouth and berate the actions and Religious beliefs of those who want to kill all "infidels" ............. then I will believe they are not bad and are tolerant of others.

But as long as those "not all Muslims" ..... tolerate those "infidel killing Muslims" ...... I have to assume they are of the same mindset.

Sam,

How to you propose they do that? In this country, and in others across Europe, when Muslim extremists have brought terror to innocent civilians, peaceful Muslim groups have taken out full page ads in major newspapers denouncing the bad acts of the whackos. Nobody pays any attention. I think they are at a loss for what to do. They do make attempts.

The same way other "groups" in the US does that. They pick a time n' place and march down the street or protest in front of a building where influencial people work.

Teachers do it, queers do it, breast cancer survivors do it and so do Right-to-Lifers do it.

And ps, Fox News pays attention. Ever so often a female appears on there that just badmouths the hell out of the actions of those Muslim extremists.

And ps ps, I have yet to see any Muslim members posting to these forums.

Oh yeah, Terry "Keli" Hagdorn is always speaking out in protest of "Muslim actions" ...... and no one pays any attention to him either, except to criticize him for posting.

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Linda,

Welcome.

It depends what you mean on tolerance. You tolerate, in the words of South Park, a crying baby on an airplane, but that does not mean that you are glad the baby is crying or wish that she'd stop.

I don't believe in the truth claims of Islam, and I find that with the notable exception of Turkey there are precious few places on earth with a Muslim majority in which women and religious dissidents have a terrible amount of rights. Ironically, Iraq appeared to be an exception, with "political dissidents" being the targeted group.

There are several Muslims who I know that I greatly enjoy spending time with; I don't know any practicing Buddhists but I'm sure they would make great neighbors as well. But that does not mean that I must accept as true, or even as valuable, their faith, just as

I would hope

that they would not feel compelled to accept my faith as true or as valuable as theirs. For belief to mean anything, it needs to be to the exclusion of the contradictory. If I believe that people are inherently evil (which I do), I cannot then say that the belief that people are inherently good is an equally valid position, or else I am saying that I hold to my faith with all the resolve of a wet puppy climbing Mount Everest.

SamCogar wrote:

Stephanie wrote:

Now Linda, when all of those "Not all Muslims are bad or want to kill "infidels" ....... stand up and publically admonish, criticize, badmouth and berate the actions and Religious beliefs of those who want to kill all "infidels" ............. then I will believe they are not bad and are tolerant of others.

But as long as those "not all Muslims" ..... tolerate those "infidel killing Muslims" ...... I have to assume they are of the same mindset.

Sam,

How to you propose they do that? In this country, and in others across Europe, when Muslim extremists have brought terror to innocent civilians, peaceful Muslim groups have taken out full page ads in major newspapers denouncing the bad acts of the whackos. Nobody pays any attention. I think they are at a loss for what to do. They do make attempts.

The same way other "groups" in the US does that. They pick a time n' place and march down the street or protest in front of a building where influencial people work.

Teachers do it, queers do it, breast cancer survivors do it and so do Right-to-Lifers do it.

And ps, Fox News pays attention. Ever so often a female appears on there that just badmouths the hell out of the actions of those Muslim extremists.

And ps ps, I have yet to see any Muslim members posting to these forums.

Oh yeah, Terry "Keli" Hagdorn is always speaking out in protest of "Muslim actions" ...... and no one pays any attention to him either, except to criticize him for posting.

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Sam,

I seem to recall a group of Muslims in Michigan doing pretty much what you suggested. I seem to recall a bigot by the name of Deb Schlussel, or something similiar, targeting their cleric and their mosque for attack. I know Cato and I had a raging argument over that cleric and that Deb woman.

SheikBen wrote:I don't believe in the truth claims of Islam, and I find that with the notable exception of Turkey there are precious few places on earth with a Muslim majority in which women and religious dissidents have a terrible amount of rights. Ironically, Iraq appeared to be an exception, with "political dissidents" being the targeted group.

Before the Gulf War, and now all the Iraq War stuff, in what Islamic country did people lead the most "Western," secular, life? In what Islamic country were women most able to live what we would consider a "normal" life and be completely active in society? In what country did religious zealots have the least influence? Iraq was that country.

Next after it would be Syria. Precisely Uncle Sam's then two least favorite
Islamic countries, judging by his actions.

But what Islamic countries does Uncle Sam like -- or at least pretend to
like? Why, all of the most backwards and oppressive ones that will have
anything to do with him, that's who.

Stephanie wrote:
Sam,

I seem to recall a group of Muslims in Michigan doing pretty much what you suggested. I seem to recall a bigot by the name of Deb Schlussel, or something similiar, targeting their cleric and their mosque for attack. I know Cato and I had a raging argument over that cleric and that Deb woman.

But Steph, didn't MLK sing "We shall overcome"?

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ziggy wrote: In what Islamic country were women most able to live what we would consider a "normal" life and be completely active in society? Iraq was that country.

Ziggy, isn't that the Islamic country that the women are taking up the job of "suicide bomber"?

Now I would hafta say .... that would be active ........ all over society, .... not in it.

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SamCogar wrote:

ziggy wrote: In what Islamic country were women most able to live what we would consider a "normal" life and be completely active in society? Iraq was that country.

Ziggy, isn't that the Islamic country that the women are taking up the job of "suicide bomber"?

Women suicide bombers operating in Iraq before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003? I don't think so.