My plan

"less important, less valuable, and less human," no.

living against the will of God, yes.

Isn't it possible to truly love someone and not love what they do?

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote:

Keli wrote:If your husband should claim to have been "wired" as an adulterous philanderer, would you judge him? Or, would you graciously--in a non-judgmental Pauline manner--accept his dalliances like a Hillary Clinton?

She has a right to judge her husband. She made a covenant with him and he broke it hence he endures her wrath.

Yes, but only HER wrath. Once she forgives him to the point of trying to move on with life, it is no one else's business whether she reconciled with him or kicked his butt to the curb. It's their business- and no one else's.

When the couple in question has placed themselves in the public eye and presents themselves as leaders and people we should look up to I think under those circumstances it is a bit different.

When cast yourself as a role model for girls and women everywhere, I think you have an obligation to set a good example for girls and women. To err is human, and to forgive may be divine, but to be a doormat and accept repeated infidelity and public humiliation is another story when you place yourself in that kind of a position. If that's how you want to live your life that's fine by me but don't put yourself and your values out as something to aspire to.

I don't want my daugther or my granddaughter to think they must or should "stand by her man". Nor do I want them to think it's worth risking their dignity or their health in order to use such a man as a stepping stone. I teach my children that sort of behavior simply isn't acceptable the same way I teach them that hitting their spouse isn't acceptable.

I love my husband with all my heart, but there are some things I will not tolerate and these are things I will not tolerate just for myself. I don't want my children thinking these things are an acceptable part of family life. It doesn't help my cause when the leader of the free world has repeatedly cheated on his wife and she makes excuses for him.

I do think it is fair to hold those who wish to be our leaders to a higher standard.

Sheik: The question is whether such an arrangement should have government sanction in the first place. I have never cared (and I do not now) if two men or two women want to find a liberal church and have a ceremony. I don't believe in it, but they can knock themselves out, provided that they respect my right, and my church's right, not to agree and affirm such marriages. The mixed race issue is a straw man--one cannot choose to be Latina (as both of my sisters in law are) but one can choose to engage in gay sex (note that I am not talking about preference but rather behavior). Mixed race marriages are very common in both my church and my family.

I don't believe that one has much of a choice about sexual preference. It spans all of the ages and all cultures. People have been gay, even under the threat of death and torture.

Regardless, you are correct, the state shouldn't be in the marriage business. Let us not forget, however, that marriage is also a legally binding contract. The state MUST recognize that part of it.

The Wall Street Journal Online, mentions regularly "the Roe effect." They
contend that abortion has reduced the number of potential democratic
voters. The Plan is already working!

Keli,

No doubt. The Democrats are really blowing it with the abortion matter. I wish to God that this odious practice would stop. Yet and still, the adage is true "not all bad news is bad to everyone."

Keli wrote:The Wall Street Journal Online, mentions regularly "the Roe effect." They
contend that abortion has reduced the number of potential democratic
voters. The Plan is already working!

So abortion is not so bad- depending on who is being aborted?

And the religionists deny that morality is relative .........................

No, Zig, Keli and I would agree that abortion is horrible and ought to be illegal, regardless of the victim.

The point is that abortion has "unintended consequences."

The point is that abortion has "unintended consequences."

So does being born...