Could Al be wrong?

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:42 am

Americans seem to think so.

Gore Losing the War: 59% Don't Believe Man Is Warming the Planet
By Noel Sheppard
Created 2009-01-19 13:28
He won an Oscar and a Nobel Peace Prize, but a recent poll suggests the Global Warmingist-in-Chief Al Gore is losing his propaganda war to convince Americans carbon dioxide is destroying the planet.

In fact, the number of people who believe that long-term planetary trends are responsible for the relatively small increase in temperatures in recent decades rose ten percent since last April while those viewing it as a man-made problem has decreased by six percent.

Talk about your inconvenient truths!

This has got to be bad news for a man that has bet his reputation as well as his very fortune on people buying into his junk science. As reported [1] by Rasmussen Reports Monday:

Forty-four percent (44%) of U.S. voters now say long-term planetary trends are the cause of global warming, compared to 41% who blame it on human activity.

Seven percent (7%) attribute global warming to some other reason, and nine percent (9%) are unsure in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. [...]

In April of last year [2], 47% of Americans blamed human activity versus 34% who viewed long-term planetary trends as the culprit. But the numbers have been moving in the direction of planetary trends since then.

On the eve of the inauguration of a president that has bought this nonsense hook, line, and sinker, we can only hope Congress is paying attention to how the electorate feels about this issue.

Stay tuned.

by ziggy Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:10 pm

Yeah, but he won a Nobel prize. And since you seemed to think that winning a Nobel prize made Henry Kessinger a Saintly expert in his field of touted expertise. then why not Uncle Al, too?

by **ohio county** Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:15 pm

And Yassir Arafat?

by sodbuster Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:44 pm

I would vote for Kissingergetting the Peace Prize as the greatest Paradox.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:28 pm

You're mistaken Ziggy. I've never touted Kissenger for anything.

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:59 pm

Whether 99% or 1% of the people agree with a scientific observation has no bearing on the validity of that observation. Ask Galileo, or Mendel, or Darwin, or Hubbel.

by sodbuster Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:50 pm

Well bmd I agree with that.

The so-called Conservatives have always opposed those who challenge the status quo.

No matter what the facts and scientific observations say.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:16 pm

What about the scientist who disagree with Al Gore? Are they wrong because BMD says they are?

by sodbuster Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:53 pm

What about the majority of scientists who agree with him?

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:59 pm

Even if the majority did agree, and I'm not saying they do as that's something you will have to prove (for every survey you can post that says they do, I could find one to counter it) that would lead to one blaring question.

Is consensus science science?

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:10 pm

Aaron wrote:Who said the majority did?

The vast majority.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:12 pm

So is consensus science science?

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:15 pm

All (that's ALL) the major scientific organizations that have issued any opinion papers/positions of the topic, including those that publish some of the most prestigious scientific journals, agree that the earth is getting warmer, and that global weather patterns will dramatically change as a consequence.

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:17 pm

Aaron wrote:So is consensus science science?

Not necessarily, but being Quixotic doesn't make for science either.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:21 pm

bmd wrote:All (that's ALL) the major scientific organizations that have issued any opinion papers/positions of the topic, including those that publish some of the most prestigious scientific journals, agree that the earth is getting warmer, and that global weather patterns will dramatically change as a consequence.

But do they all believe it is caused by man 100% as Al Gore has said?

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:22 pm

bmd wrote:
Aaron wrote:So is consensus science science?

Not necessarily, but being Quixotic doesn't make for science either.

What scientist are Quixotic?

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:55 pm

There ya go, moving the goalposts when you start losing, again.

Beyond that, to my knowledge, they all believe the anthropogenic alterations of the atmosphere are a significant component of this phenomenon.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:36 pm

How am I losing? I ask you a simple question.

So it's your contention that ALL scientist believe the anthropogenic alterations of the atmosphere are a significant component of this phenomenon.

My next question is, would you consider someone who is a pioneer in the science of forecasting hurricanes who has a a B.S. degree in geography from George Washington University, and a M.S. in meteorology from the University of Chicago, where he went on to earn a Ph.D. in geophysical sciences as a scientist?

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:39 pm

Or is it your contention that IF a scientist doesn't adhere to Al Gores line of thinking that GW is caused by man then they are Quixotic?

by bmd Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:09 pm

Aaron wrote:How am I losing? I ask you a simple question.

So it's your contention that ALL scientist believe the anthropogenic alterations of the atmosphere are a significant component of this phenomenon.

Check the context there, sport. I wasn't referring to all scientists.

Aaron wrote:My next question is, would you consider someone who is a pioneer in the science of forecasting hurricanes who has a a B.S. degree in geography from George Washington University, and a M.S. in meteorology from the University of Chicago, where he went on to earn a Ph.D. in geophysical sciences as a scientist?

Again, check the CONTEXT of what I said.

You'll always be able to find at least one scientist to back just about any position.

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:15 pm

Only one?

Okay.

If you say so.

Laughing

So if there is a minority, no matter how small, who believes that the earth is indded warming, it is not as a result of man, or man has a very limited impact, then there is a very real possibility that the small minority is correct and it is the consensus that is wrong.

Right.

by sodbuster Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:27 pm

Come on Aaron you know you can never get 100% of any large group to agree on anything.

Heck I bet 20% would still even vote for GW Bush for President. Shocked

by Aaron Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:36 pm

So is it your contention that consensus science is the standard Sodbuster?

And actually it would be closer to 30% and if he were running against Gore or Kerry, he'd still win.

Fact!!!

Razz

by ziggy Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:02 am

So is it your contention that consensus science is the standard Sodbuster?

Since you have suggested that "consensus religion" makes America a "Christian" nation, then why not "consensus science"?

by Aaron Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:06 am

So you agree that America is a Christian nation AND Science is no more a proven then religion. BMD will likely disagree with you but don't let him sway you. You're entitled to your opinion.

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