'Gayby boom': Children of gay couples speak out

ziggy wrote: So don't get all sanctominous and pretend that you are not using the law to impose you own beliefs. You are doing precisley that to the full extent that the law allows you to claim your property as your own and under your exclusive control.

First, I would have replied to the rest of your post but as usual it is just common barnyard material, unworthy of comment

Now in actuality I am breaking the law if I discrimiate against the groups I mentioned. You and your self righteous, bedwetting, leftist pals are the ones that went whining to the politicians and whine dabout discrimination. You are the ones that succeeded in having the parsitic politicans pass laws to FORCE me to participate in policy to which I vehemently disagree.

Not once have I ever forced you to participate in my views of beliefs, not once. Yet you and your sorry lefties pals demand that I particiapte in your views and condone your belief system. You made certain I had no choice in the matter by getting the politicans to pass laws that made it a crime or allowed me to be sued if I didn't comply. You talk a good talk of liberty Ziggy, but you centainly don't walk the walk of liberty.

That's a pretty good dodge, Cato.

But the fact remains that you use the laws to impose your own beliefs on others every time you claim that your property is yours to do with and to deny others the use of as you please. Because it is the laws that allow you to claim and control your property as your own.

ziggy wrote:That's a pretty good dodge, Cato.

But the fact remains that you use the laws to impose your own beliefs on others every time you claim that your property is yours to do with and to deny others the use of as you please. Because it is the laws that allow you to claim and control your property as your own.

I guess then you and TerryRC and the rest of the spineless left are going to have to go on your knees to the Parasites in Washington and Charleston and beg to change the laws. Huh Ziggy.

ziggy wrote:That's a pretty good dodge, Cato.

But the fact remains that you use the laws to impose your own beliefs on others every time you claim that your property is yours to do with and to deny others the use of as you please. Because it is the laws that allow you to claim and control your property as your own.

Oh yea, by the way comrade Ziggy, your arguement is lame at best. It shows both complete ignorance and your desperatation to justify views even you know to be pathetic and against everything this nation once stood for.

As I said, my property, my rules.

Wrong.

You can't put a garbage burning plant on your property without the approval of your neighbors. Why, because it may infringe upon their rights.

Willy believes in segregation. How 1950's of him.

I guess then you and TerryRC and the rest of the spineless left are going to have to go on your knees to the Parasites in Washington and Charleston and beg to change the laws. Huh Ziggy.

I'm pretty sure the LAW doesn't allow discrimination based upon religious beliefs.

Discriminate while you can, Willy. Sooner or later your will have to join the human race.

TerryRC wrote:As I said, my property, my rules.

Wrong.

You can't put a garbage burning plant on your property without the approval of your neighbors. Why, because it may infringe upon their rights.

Willy believes in segregation. How 1950's of him.

If you say so.

As I said, my property my rules. You can like it or lump it, I don't much care which.

TerryRC wrote:I guess then you and TerryRC and the rest of the spineless left are going to have to go on your knees to the Parasites in Washington and Charleston and beg to change the laws. Huh Ziggy.

I'm pretty sure the LAW doesn't allow discrimination based upon religious beliefs.

Discriminate while you can, Willy. Sooner or later your will have to join the human race.

Law or not, I will not rent or sell property to homosexaul couples, adulterous couples, or unwed couples. You can if you want, I certainly am not stopping you, but I won't (period, end of sentence) Law be damned, I not doing it.

Law or not, I will not rent or sell property to homosexaul couples, adulterous couples, or unwed couples. You can if you want, I certainly am not stopping you, but I won't (period, end of sentence) Law be damned, I not doing it.

Old habits die hard- but they do die, eventually.

ziggy wrote:

Law or not, I will not rent or sell property to homosexaul couples, adulterous couples, or unwed couples. You can if you want, I certainly am not stopping you, but I won't (period, end of sentence) Law be damned, I not doing it.

Old habits die hard- but they do die, eventually.

I guess we'll see, now won't we.

ziggy wrote:

Law or not, I will not rent or sell property to homosexaul couples, adulterous couples, or unwed couples. You can if you want, I certainly am not stopping you, but I won't (period, end of sentence) Law be damned, I not doing it.

Old habits die hard- but they do die, eventually.

By the way, you are right, people will eventually turn from their narcissisic way of life. They'll reject the inmorality many seem to want to wallow in and demand others accept without question. Until that time however, people like me, won't participate in their inmoral lifestyles.

TerryRC wrote:As I said, my property, my rules.

Wrong.

You can't put a garbage burning plant on your property without the approval of your neighbors. Why, because it may infringe upon their rights.

Willy believes in segregation. How 1950's of him.

Your example, Terry, is one of an activity on one property affecting the wellbeing of those on other properties. Willy's decision to do in his own property what he wishes does not affect his neighbors, except perhaps throwing them the business that he wishes not to take.

"Life, liberty, and property" are not to be deprived. Why do you believe it is right for you to force him to do with his property as you see fit?

Personally, I don't see how renting to gays does anything besides line your own pockets. They are going to be gay whether or not you rent to them. I do not believe in gay sex but I am sure that many sins are committed in apartments.

HOWEVER, that is Willy's call to make, and not mine, and not yours.

Cato, you have to ask yourself...
What would Jesus do

If I'm not mistaken Hacker, Jesus wasn't so much into material things. I don't see him investing the time and money into fixing up a home and putting it on the rental market.

And to be honest, I haven't read much of this thread but unless Cato takes HUD money, there's not much anyone, including the government, can do about who he chooses to or not to rent to and the reasoning behind that decision.

Personally, if I'm in the slum lord business, I would prefer to rent to carpet munchers and fudge packers. The CM's, well, that's just hot and the FP's, well they're neat and will take care of my place plus they likely don't have rugrats so the apartment won't get torn up for that reason either.

Hacker wrote:Cato, you have to ask yourself...
What would Jesus do

When a lady was brought to him who had commited adultry the crowd wanted to stone her. Jesus told them that he who is without sin needs to cast the first stone. The crowd walked away. Jesus then asked her, where her accusers were. She said they are gone. Jesus then talls neither do I accuse you. and now here is the important part. Jesus tells her to go and sin NO MORE.

Jesus also said to be in the world, but not of the world. He further said to shun the appearance of evil. Point is Hacker, one can't pick and choose what part of the scriptures they want to adheare to and what part they want ignore.

As I have told Terry and Ziggy, and now you, my property my rules. I will not rent to an adulterous couple, an unmarried couple, or a homosexual couple. If I do that is condoning their actions which I find to be immoral, and that makes me a hypocrit.

What Ziggy and Terry can't seem to get through their thick authoritarian skulls is that I'm not preventing them from going elsewhere to rent or buy property. Ziggy even came out with an arguement that only made him look stupid. That arguement being that the law allows me to own property, so if I won't rent to these groups I am using the force of law to push my beliefs on others. All I am doing is exercising my right to determine my destiny and to use my property as I see fit. I am not affecting others in my neighborhood nor am I depriving anyone their rights.

If someone files a lawsuit against you for discrimination...
Your rules will go down the drain...

If you work for me at my private company Hacker, I can restrict many of your freedom's, including speech, search and seizure, religion and others.

Constitutional rights are limited as to where they can be enforced.

If a person rents privately and takes no government money, they are not subject to HUD rules, therefore they can refuse on any grounds to rent they so choose.

Just as Ziggy and Terry RC are, you're wrong on this one.

If you work for me at my private company Hacker, I can restrict many of your freedom's, including speech, search and seizure, religion and others.

Say What?

You need the Union....

So then you have the union restricting your freedom's in addition to the company plus you're paying them to do it. It doesn't change the fact that constitutional rights do not stretch into all aspects of life.

Hi Cato,

I agree with you (and the Bible) that adultery, fornication, and gay sex are all wrong, and further that you should have the right not to rent to people engaged in such behavior.

My question is why you think that renting to them condones their behavior. I'm sure there are people getting drunk, lying, coveting, and all other sorts of evil behavior hanging out in rental units as well.

The Union abolished slavery... Hello?

SheikBen wrote:Hi Cato,

I agree with you (and the Bible) that adultery, fornication, and gay sex are all wrong, and further that you should have the right not to rent to people engaged in such behavior.

My question is why you think that renting to them condones their behavior. I'm sure there are people getting drunk, lying, coveting, and all other sorts of evil behavior hanging out in rental units as well.

It is written for a person to do something he feels is wrong to him it is sin. If I were to rent to any of the groups I mentioned to me that would being saying that as long as you are paying me your actions are quite acceptable. To me that is the highest state of hypocracy. I will not do anything that in anyway indicates I condone what they are doing or can be taken as condoning their lifestyle.

What you say is so, but point is knowing what a couple is before you rent tot hem and rent to them anyways. That is saying you condone what they are doing.

HOWEVER, that is Willy's call to make, and not mine, and not yours.

You, Sheik, ignore the same argument that willy chooses to ignore.

If it is OK for willy to discriminate against gays, it is alright for other individuals, also. Get enough of those individuals together, by hook or crook, and you can close your town or neighborhood to the gays (or the papists or the joos...).

Should it be OK to go back to the days of "No Irish Need Apply"?

Willy thinks so.

If you work for me at my private company Hacker, I can restrict many of your freedom's, including speech, search and seizure, religion and others.

Search and seizure and free speech don't apply. The property is yours. As long as YOU OK the search or don't want the speech the employee has no right (and never did). You can't make me practice your religion or fire me if I refuse, however.

Poor analogies.

TerryRC wrote:HOWEVER, that is Willy's call to make, and not mine, and not yours.

You, Sheik, ignore the same argument that willy chooses to ignore.

If it is OK for willy to discriminate against gays, it is alright for other individuals, also. Get enough of those individuals together, by hook or crook, and you can close your town or neighborhood to the gays (or the papists or the joos...).

Should it be OK to go back to the days of "No Irish Need Apply"?

Willy thinks so.

There is no ignoring to it. As I said my property, my rules. If you want to change my rules then buy my property. Until then my proeprty, my rules.