How about Wilson...

... by the way?

Wasn't that classy?

In another 10 years, Congress will be looking like the British House of Commons, fistfights and everything.

Parliamentary procedure, do you know it?

He was accurate.

I thought you were espousing our embrace of doing things they way they are done around the world? What is wrong with the British Parliament? Is it undemocratic to allow the peoples' representatives to question the Prime Minister?

He was accurate.

How so? You have seen the details of any of the health care proposals?

The man interrupted a speech given by the highest elected official in the country. How can any civilized person embrace that behavior.

I thought you were espousing our embrace of doing things they way they are done around the world? What is wrong with the British Parliament? Is it undemocratic to allow the peoples' representatives to question the Prime Minister?

Nothing is wrong with it, Ohio. I love the British Parliament. You may not know that screaming, interrupting, insulting and fighting are regular occurrences in the House of Commons.

Should people follow rules of order or should we just fling shit, like apes...

When Bush asserted that Social Security was bound to go broke he was booed heartily by one whole side of the chamber. Wilson was wrong to interrupt Obama but let's not say it was historic. The precedent was well-established. The MSM only applies the rules to one side.

TerryRC wrote:Should people follow rules of order or should we just fling shit, like apes...

If dishonest, disengenuous people didn't "just fling shit, like apes", then the honest and intelligent people wouldn't be calling them liars.

But I've told you that several times before.

The proof that Wilson was accurate came when Obama said all 50 million uninsured people would be covered. There's no way you get to 50 million uninsured people without including those here illegally.

Considering prior claims to fiscal conservatism, are you now renouncing that by supporting the public option of health care reform?

Do you know how we know Obama was lying, Terry? It's easy. His lips were moving.

Wilson was fed up. There were plenty of folks cheering him on at home for his little "outburst". I jumped up out of my chair and gave him a standing ovation while my husband shouted at me, "He can's hear you, Stephanie!"

I wish I had seen it, but I couldn't bring myself to waste a portion of my life listening to Obama. I understand Mr. Wilson apologized. I certainly wouldn't have. It is about time someone held the parasites in Washington to the fire.

Cato

TerryRC wrote:He was accurate.

How so? You have seen the details of any of the health care proposals?

The man interrupted a speech given by the highest elected official in the country. How can any civilized person embrace that behavior.

Obama ain't god, royality, or someone to worshipped. He's the cheif executive of the United States and he is accountible to the people. I don't know about you, but I'm no subject of the president. I am a citizen of the United States and I'm sick and tired of the parasitic politicans and their supporters attacking my rights as a human being, extorting the fruit of my labor, and borrowing my family and I into poverty. There is no excuse for the crap that is happening in Washington or Charleston for that matter.

Now, if that makes me an APE SITTING AROUND FLINGING CRAP, so be it. I'll wear the title with pride.

Cato

Don't know if this is true or not but I read it somewhere.

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) has raised almost $750,000 in less than 48 hours since his shout of "You lie!"

I read the same thing Sam on the Gazette threads.

Wilson is another true gentleman from South Carolina...

For all you know he is.

SamCogar wrote:Don't know if this is true or not but I read it somewhere.

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) has raised almost $750,000 in less than 48 hours since his shout of "You lie!"

It is better than true now.

But Wilson's quickly become a darling of the right, raising $1,000,000 in online campaign contributions since his outburst Wednesday night. Now sources familiar with Wilson's campaign say there's a concerted effort by hackers to flood the Congressman's Web site and keep him from raising money.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/13/hackers-imperil-wilson-campaign-web-site/

Those dastardly Democrats will do bout anything to get elected.



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I am of two minds on the matter. Right now citizens pay for the medical care for non-citizens who go to ER's and that will continue with or without public healthcare. The issue is how it will continue. I wager that the care illegals receive will (ironically) be of an inferior quality with Obamacare just as everyone else's will, with fewer dollars going into healthcare and fewer people wanting to become doctors.

The left is being disingenuous, as far as I can tell, by somehow pretending that they are going to all of a sudden care about people here illegally and treat them differently.

However, Joe Wilson was a bit rude and I do not think he should have interrupted the speech. He should have waited until the speech was over and then take it apart line by ridiculous line. My favorite was Obama's assertion that somehow this wasn't going to add one dime to the deficit. I should like to know what fairyland he's living in.

I'd like to know what drugs he's being prescribed.

I don't know that Wilson was rude. Obama was lying, Wilson may have just been beyond fed up unable to contain himself.

Now Wilson is being attacked by liberals across the land, but where was their outrage when President Bush was booed by the Democrats in a joint session? Better yet, where is their outrage for the continued funding of wars they've been protesting? Where is the outrage for the escalation in Afghanistan, or the infiltration of Pakistan?

Steph,

Great points. You see a Democrat elected largely on the unpopularity of the war and the economy, and neither is getting any better, and our involvements in the wars is not diminishing in the aggregate.

I fear that a great many Obama supporters were unprincipled based on how much they are letting him skate now on warmongering. While I do not consider myself a pacifist, a great many leftists who were appalled to 20 p's at the war in Iraq under Bush are all of a sudden deafmutes on the topic.

Stephanie wrote:Now Wilson is being attacked by liberals across the land, but where was their outrage when President Bush ........

..... had two (2) shoes thrown at him in front of God, TV cameras and every one?

Hells bells, everyone knows those liberals were



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SheikBen wrote:Steph,

Great points. You see a Democrat elected largely on the unpopularity of the war and the economy, and neither is getting any better, and our involvements in the wars is not diminishing in the aggregate.

I fear that a great many Obama supporters were unprincipled based on how much they are letting him skate now on warmongering. While I do not consider myself a pacifist, a great many leftists who were appalled to 20 p's at the war in Iraq under Bush are all of a sudden deafmutes on the topic.

A Letter to the Editor that will appear this week. I think it pretty much sums up the discussion here on the board.

September 10, 2009

Dear Editor,

I get a real kick out of the “my politician can beat up your politician” letters and articles I have seen later in the Examiner. Be it healthcare or government interference, war, or taxation, every letter and article I have seen, has been, my politician is good and yours is bad. To that I say, enough.

One writer lamented about George W. Bush undermining the American Dream. Allow me to correct that thought. George W. Bush didn’t undermine the American Dream all by his lonesome self. He had the help and blessing of both parties in Congress including our congressional delegation headed by the beloved Senator Byrd. Every bill Mr. Bush signed into law was passed in both the house and senate. When Mr. Bush took the nation to war in Iraq, he had the blessing of Congress. In fact, the democrats in congress demanded a second vote so they could vote for the use of force against Iraq against Iraq bill.

Yes, I know, you can say he duped congress, but that doesn’t wash either. Congress had the responsibility to confirm what the president stated. They had the authority to call witnesses and review the evidence. The truth is the only evidence any in congress considered was the poll numbers. Then when the going got tough, the very people that voted for this fiasco, abandoned the military they committed to war. Again, the only item many in congress considered was the poll numbers. One need look no further than Jay Rockefeller to see that.

Let’s consider further the American Dream, which many want to blame George W. Bush for undermining. As of the day I writing this, the United States is 11.8 trillion dollars in debt. The National Debt is nearly 81% the size of the Gross Domestic Product. The total sum of all the goods and service in this nation (GDP) equal approximately 14.5 trillion dollars. That is $38,200 for every man, woman, and child in this nation. Guess what, you can add 1,400 per year to that figure to cover interest. We presently have a yearly budget deficit of $1.2 trillion dollars. In other words, President Obama and this present congress, democrat and republican alike are spending far more than they are receiving in revenue and on top of that, plan even more spending that is unfunded. I’ll be more than happy to share the graphs and figures along with the makeup of congress and the party president should you desire. The one thing that really stands out is that both parties bear equal guilt.

Let’s go further into the erosion of the American Dream. Obviously very few have taken the time to read the Federalist Papers. I would hope we know, they were written to convince the State of New York to ratify the US Constitution. Take the time to read the 62nd Federalist written by either Madison or Hamilton. You will notice that about two thirds of the way through the essay, the writer discusses laws that are written which are voluminous, or in a manner they cannot be understood, or are changed time and again. The writer states how this is a path to tyranny.

Our congress and president are considering laws that exceed 1,000 pages in length. The Cap and Trade bill is over 1,400 pages. The healthcare bill is 1,016 pages. The TARP bill was over 400 pages single spaced. I have taken the time to read the cap and trade bill and parts of the healthcare reform bill. They are barely understandable. When questioned about reading the healthcare bill I believe it was a Mr. Conyers who made the statement that it would take a couple days and an attorney to comprehend what the bill actually said. Yet, these same people are more than willing to pass legislation without any understanding of what it says or what it may do.

On top of all of that, congress proxies it’s law making responsibility to bureaucrats. When congress with the blessing of the president, write and pass law that allows agencies to make rules, which have the force of law, then the people who are suppose to be accountable to the public, are no longer accountable. They have in effect insulated themselves from the consequences of the laws they pass. The Congress and President can, through this process, enact law that would otherwise never pass or stand up to public scrutiny. The Environmental Protection Agency and the Food and Drug Administration are good examples of this. Take the time to look up the Code of Federal Regulations. Not one of the rules was voted on or considered by Congress or signed into law by the president.

We could go on, but time and space won’t allow it. The point is both parties are guilty of this. Both parties are destroying this nation and our liberties. Both parties are spending this nation into bankruptcy. It is time we quit being democrats or republicans and started acting like Americans. Men like Jefferson, Washington, Madison, Adams and others would roll over in their grave if they saw what we have become. We are certainly not the nation they risk their lives, honor, and fortunes for.

Speaking for myself, I love my liberty, what is left of it. I would rather be free than be dependent on any politician from either party. The only way we are going to remain free and get the liberty the politicians have taken is to stand up and be counted. It is time to worry more about what is happening in Washington and less about Mountaineer Football. It is time to let the politicians on both side of the isle know enough is enough and that they can and will be replaced.

If Obama can cure the deficit by reforming Medicare and Medicaid, why does he require an overhaul of our entire health care delivery system to do it? The state of Washington recently failed a Medicaid audit which found, among other things, that the program paid over $1 million to illegal aliens. http://www.effwa.org/highlighters/v15_n1.php

What's more, program administrators conspired to obstruct the audit.

Among the audit's official findings, DSHS:

• paid $22 million to individuals who did not provide valid Social Security Numbers (SSN) or offered no SSN at all;

• paid more than $1 million to individuals claiming a deceased relative's SSN;

• provided $1.3 million in unallowable medical services to illegal aliens;

• cannot account for more than 1.4 million in pills worth in excess of $529,000; and

• did not cooperate with SAO's audit, leading to the disclaiming of the $6.1 billion Medicaid program.

Regarding the lack of cooperation extended by DSHS, SAO made the following statements throughout its audit:

• [DSHS] personnel attempted to thwart particular audit procedures by questioning our authority to either expand the scope of our audit or to obtain certain information.

The ugly part is Wilson benefited by acting like a raging jackass..

Hacker wrote:The ugly part is Wilson benefited by acting like a raging jackass..

Actually, he expressed the opinion of alot of folks. That opinion is that Barack Obama is a barefaced liar as is most in the halls of congress, be they democrat or republician.

As far as acting like a raging jackass, just remember when you point fingers there are a couple pointing back. George Bush was booed by and heckled by democrats during the 2005 State of the Union address.

That was a "raging jackass"?

You've lead a rather sheltered life, haven't ya?

Wilson was just tooo impressed by Becky's chicken little boo-hoo's.

Having solved all the important problems facing the nation, the House yesterday took up the case of the man who correctly recognized the President was lying. Give me a break. Rangel lies on his taxes, understates his income, files inaccurate financial statements and his ethics case has dragged on for a year. He is still in charge of writing tax policy for all of us who, unlike him, actually pay taxes. Barney Frank has defended Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac against reform efforts for over ten years. He's still chairman of the Banking Committee and still making excuses for crooks he allowed to walk off with over $90 million in bonuses. I got your chicken little right here.