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what’s your “Plan B” to undo the damage you have done

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Post by SamCogar Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:36 am

The following is a copy of:
Post #59.2 by: memoryvault - December 9, 2011 at 7:25 pm ….. the source being, to wit:

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/12/chinese-2485-year-tree-ring-study-shows-shows-sun-controls-climate-temps-will-cool-til-2068/

The following was memoryvault’s response to comments made by Barry, a proponent of CO2 caused AGW, …….. so enjoy.

Of all the unmitigated crap that I have wasted precious moments of my life ploughing through, this must surely take the cake. Where oh where to start?

The concern is regarding the rate of CO2 injection into the air, the rate of warming, . . .”

The only actual measurable, observed effect of the increased CO2 (regardless of cause), has been the measured and observed increase in plant growth. So unless you’re expecting an invasion of Trifids there’s not much to worry about.

As for the “current rate of warming”, the current rate is zero, nada, zilch. Even if there had been any for the last decade, it couldn’t be attributed to CO2.

The “warming effect” of back-radiated energy from CO2 (even if one actually believes in such “Alice in Wonderland science”), is logarithmic, and has already all been pretty-much used up.

” . . . and that rapid climate change may have severe deleterious effects on the modern world.”
Perhaps it “may”. But anything approaching cognitive reasoning ability would tend to suggest that any warming will have the same effect on life – including humans – as it has EVERY OTHER TIME IT HAS HAPPENED IN RECORDED HISTORY. That is, it will be beneficial.

“. . . . the implicit notion that the climate will be stable.”
Exactly when and where has the world’s climate been “stable”? The very history of humankind is the history of the forced migrations, wars and invasions, and mass starvations of “cool” periods, and the expansions, trade, and general well-being of the masses during “warm” periods, and the fairly regular, cyclical fluctuation between the two states.

And if it were really possible for humans to pull a King Canute and “stabilise” the climate, what should be our reference point?

I happen to like the weather just as it is here on Bribie island at this time of the year, at around 11.00am in the morning. But my friends in Hobart Tasmania would probably prefer it a bit warmer, and I know my associates in Darwin NT would like it a bit cooler.

Since no matter what temperature we “stabilise” the world’s climate at, where is our reference point where THAT climate remains what it is? Because unfortunately it is still going to be hotter, AND colder elsewhere, depending on location and altitude.

And we haven’t even started to consider rainfall yet.

“We don’t now what the future holds, but we should be prepared for it.”
Yes, and there’s far more OBSERVED data suggesting we are entering a cooling period, than there is supporting the cultist belief that we are entering a period of “runaway warming” which has little going for it other than increasingly apparent faulty computer models designed by people who apparently can’t even put together an Excel spreadsheet.

Barry, if the world really was getting warmer, dangerously warmer, the truly prudent thing to do would be to build more base-load power stations. That would give us the power for air-conditioning, refrigeration, water desalination, and all other things we would need to survive.

Conversely, if the world was getting cooler – as observation suggests – the prudent thing to do would be build more base-load power stations. That would give us the power for domestic and greenhouse heating and all the other things we would need to survive.

So tell me Barry, now that you and your ilk have created a world totally bereft of surplus power-generation capacity by tilting at windmills for twenty years, plus a world with no surplus food-generation capacity, having diverted to biofuels, what exactly do you intend to do if, shock, horror, it turns out that the world is, in fact, now entering a cooling phase?

Barry, now that you have committed hundreds of millions to a slow, agonising death by exposure and/or starvation if it is in fact getting cooler, just what exactly do you intend doing about it?

I’ll put it to you simply Barry. If it turns out you and the other cultists have been wrong, what’s your “Plan B” to undo the damage you have done and avoid being recorded by history as the greatest genocidal mass-murderers of all time?

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Post by SheikBen Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:23 am

I really did enjoy that, thanks! The AGW crowd simply does not realize the blatantly obvious fact that not all bad news is bad for everybody, and not all good news is good for everybody. That individual situations would be better or worse in given periods of heating/cooling is obvious to a 5th grader and incomprehensible to Barry and his ilk.

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