George Bush should be removed from membership in his church!

The exact same thing I did 7 or 8 years ago when I seen it happening in Little League. I called the coach on it in front of the entire team, filed a grievance with the board and demanded his removal or my first call was to the news, the second was to a lawyer. It just takes a little backbone TC.

I didn't have any kids involved and didn't live in the district. How do I call for anything?

All I could do is make people IN the district aware, which I did, you know, by whining.

And if this guy doesn't sue and win, then you might have a point. He'll either not be dimissed and if he is, if he sues, he will win. We all know that to be the case. You're as bad as OC used to be on the other thread. He used to post similar headlines.

We will just ignore the fact that he shouldn't have been fired in the first place...

He has already been dismissed, by the way.

TerryRC wrote:Four people holding hands and worshipping! How can that be allowed in the USA!? Quick, somebody file a lawsuit!

At least one person can judge a book by its cover...

...why not read a couple of pages.

TerryRC,

I am well aware that the book is not about the four people worshipping--rather, I was criticizing the cover (and your pasting it here) as intending to disparage.

TerryRC wrote:The exact same thing I did 7 or 8 years ago when I seen it happening in Little League. I called the coach on it in front of the entire team, filed a grievance with the board and demanded his removal or my first call was to the news, the second was to a lawyer. It just takes a little backbone TC.

I didn't have any kids involved and didn't live in the district. How do I call for anything?

All I could do is make people IN the district aware, which I did, you know, by whining.

Earlier you said you did nothing. Now you said you made others aware. So which is it. Make up your mind man!!!

But you got a point. You should have stayed out of it and minded your own business becasue you didn't have a kid involved. You weren't in district.

TerryRC wrote:And if this guy doesn't sue and win, then you might have a point. He'll either not be dimissed and if he is, if he sues, he will win. We all know that to be the case. You're as bad as OC used to be on the other thread. He used to post similar headlines.

We will just ignore the fact that he shouldn't have been fired in the first place...

He has already been dismissed, by the way.

So he was fired and is never allowed to sub anywhere again?

You seem to have the mind that nothing bad or wrong ever happens and when something does, you think the mere fact that it does proves your point. But you're wrong. This man will prevail should he pursue his case becasue YOU ARE WRONG and the injustice will be righted.

Part of ensuring we all have the same rights are correcting the wrongs when our rights are violated.

If you want to live in a place where no wrong is ever committed then I suggest you find utopia and move immediately. I'm sure they have a state government you can work for.

I am well aware that the book is not about the four people worshipping--rather, I was criticizing the cover (and your pasting it here) as intending to disparage.

If you want inflammatory covers, look at some of the anti-liberal/ anti-atheist stuff that comes from the religious right.

Earlier you said you did nothing. Now you said you made others aware. So which is it. Make up your mind man!!!

But you got a point. You should have stayed out of it and minded your own business becasue you didn't have a kid involved. You weren't in district.

Not that it was any of your business, but I was subbing there.

That makes it my business, even if I didn't have the authority to bring a case.

I stopped taking work at that school and told everyone why. Since that is "whining" in your book, I figured that was the same as doing "nothing".

So he was fired and is never allowed to sub anywhere again?

Not in that county and you are avoiding the point that he was fired because of some idiot school official's religious beliefs.

Get it?

You seem to have the mind that nothing bad or wrong ever happens and when something does, you think the mere fact that it does proves your point. But you're wrong. This man will prevail should he pursue his case becasue YOU ARE WRONG and the injustice will be righted.

Yeah, because innocent people always win in the court system and Aaron's magic 8-ball says so. Thanks a bunch, Miss Cleo.

If you want to live in a place where no wrong is ever committed then I suggest you find utopia and move immediately. I'm sure they have a state government you can work for.

Even if I do know there is no utopia here, I'd rather stay, thanks. That doesn't mean that I have to sit still for every rule some moron proposes.

Nice slam about who I work for, though. Ad hom away. What did you run out of first - argument, facts or logic?

Aaron wrote:

TerryRC wrote:Teacher Fired for Magic Trick, County Calls It "Wizardry"

Nope. No religion in our laws and rules, even at the county level...

And if this guy doesn't sue and win, then you might have a point. He'll either not be dimissed and if he is, if he sues, he will win. We all know that to be the case. You're as bad as OC used to be on the other thread. He used to post similar headlines.

That Teacher was a Sub, ...... he can't sue for his job and they don't have to fire him.

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TerryRC wrote:Earlier you said you did nothing. Now you said you made others aware. So which is it. Make up your mind man!!!

But you got a point. You should have stayed out of it and minded your own business becasue you didn't have a kid involved. You weren't in district.

Not that it was any of your business, but I was subbing there.

That makes it my business, even if I didn't have the authority to bring a case.

I stopped taking work at that school and told everyone why. Since that is "whining" in your book, I figured that was the same as doing "nothing".

You were a member of the school system, you had knowledge of another teacher unconstitutionally mistreating a student and so instead of filing a grievance with school and the couty and doing everything you could to protect the kids at the school, your solution was to stop teaching AND let people know why?

Boy, I'll bet you showed em, didn't you TC.

Are you serious?

Please tell me you're not still teaching!!!

SamCogar wrote:

Aaron wrote:

TerryRC wrote:Teacher Fired for Magic Trick, County Calls It "Wizardry"

Nope. No religion in our laws and rules, even at the county level...

And if this guy doesn't sue and win, then you might have a point. He'll either not be dimissed and if he is, if he sues, he will win. We all know that to be the case. You're as bad as OC used to be on the other thread. He used to post similar headlines.

That Teacher was a Sub, ...... he can't sue for his job and they don't have to fire him.

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Now come on, none of you are falling for this are you? Clearly someone wanted this substitute teacher out (for perhaps legitimate reasons, perhaps for illegitimate ones) and this "wizadry" hokum was a convenient cover up for whatever else this guy was bounced out for.

Remember that Al Capone was eventually jailed not for murder but for tax evasion. There's a lot more to this substitute case that meets the eye' I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut.

I don't think so. He's a sub.....no contract, no NEA or AFT backing him....no tenure. If they wanted rid of him all they had to do was never call him again.

You were a member of the school system, you had knowledge of another teacher unconstitutionally mistreating a student and so instead of filing a grievance with school and the couty and doing everything you could to protect the kids at the school, your solution was to stop teaching AND let people know why?

Not everyone can bring a case to court. You have to be the victim of a crime or discrimination. I was neither and had no grounds for a lawsuit.

I did the only thing I could do.

You, I suppose, would have held your nose and gone along with it. It seems about your speed.

No, of course I don't teach anymore. Too many Aaron's in the classroom. Hard to teach someone when they think they already know everything.

I see your argument has shifted, though, from people that try to legislate morality to my personal shortcomings.

Try to stay on topic, will you?

SheikBen wrote:Now come on, none of you are falling for this are you? Clearly someone wanted this substitute teacher out (for perhaps legitimate reasons, perhaps for illegitimate ones) and this "wizadry" hokum was a convenient cover up for whatever else this guy was bounced out for.

Mike, that is what I figured also.

Geeeze, there is nothing wrong with a Sub doing a "little trick" to get the student's attention. A "break the ice" thingy in that a sub is usually a "stranger" to a Class.

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Now come on, none of you are falling for this are you? Clearly someone wanted this substitute teacher out (for perhaps legitimate reasons, perhaps for illegitimate ones) and this "wizadry" hokum was a convenient cover up for whatever else this guy was bounced out for.

If it wasn't for religion, the school wouldn't have had even that "thin-as-a-promise" excuse.

Since he was a sub, they didn't have to have a reason to let him go - they could just stop calling him.

Crazy.

Stephanie wrote:I don't think so. He's a sub.....no contract, no NEA or AFT backing him....no tenure. If they wanted rid of him all they had to do was never call him again.

Uh Steph, there is a "contract" per say, at least in WV.

The BOE votes to hire the person as a Substitute, ..... thus "a contract".

And that "never calling him again" could be a problem for the BOE without a legitimate reason.

The primary one being if said Sub found they had been calling in another Sub that was "un-qualified" for teaching the subject that said Sub was "qualified" to teach.

Steph, usually, all "Sub lists" ....... are "rotating lists", ....... meaning, as the "calls" for Subs come in, the next name on the list "gets the job". Thus, at the start, the 1st name gets the 1st call, 2nd name gets next call, etc. .... then back to 1st name.

Of course, it is really, really tough for a Sub "to prove" ........ they were not called by the caller.

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Sam,

When the school district I was involved with didn't want to use a particular Sub for some reason, any reason, they would simply stop calling the sub.

They do have to sign a "contract" of sorts......but they clearly state that substitutes are not employees of the district and no promises are being made about future employment. There are teachers who have been on sub lists, used repeatedly as subs and are passed over time and again for full-time positions in favor of teachers that have never worked for the district, or with far less experience, etc. They have no recourse.

TerryRC wrote:You were a member of the school system, you had knowledge of another teacher unconstitutionally mistreating a student and so instead of filing a grievance with school and the couty and doing everything you could to protect the kids at the school, your solution was to stop teaching AND let people know why?

Not everyone can bring a case to court. You have to be the victim of a crime or discrimination. I was neither and had no grounds for a lawsuit.

I did the only thing I could do.

You, I suppose, would have held your nose and gone along with it. It seems about your speed.

No, of course I don't teach anymore. Too many Aaron's in the classroom. Hard to teach someone when they think they already know everything.

I see your argument has shifted, though, from people that try to legislate morality to my personal shortcomings.

Try to stay on topic, will you?

As a teacher you most certainly could have filed a grievance in the school system. The fact that you didn't defend a child on something that you supposedly care illustrates more about your short comings then I ever could.

And when it comes to kids, no, I don't just go along. I'm not that type.

I am on topic. Your misguided notion of legislating morality is just one more aspect of your short comings.

As a teacher you most certainly could have filed a grievance in the school system. The fact that you didn't defend a child on something that you supposedly care about speaks to your character.

As a sub, I was not "part" of that district, anymore that a day laborer for Manpower belongs to whatever company they work for that day.

Regardless, you are not on topic. You have been owned and want to draw off the heat.

Do you deny that blue laws, states that will not legalize gay marriage, even drug laws are largely rooted in religious beliefs?

That people have and are legislating their religious beliefs is obvious. That you would deny it because you hate to admit fault or because you are the emotional age of a 13 year-old is typical.

Keep dipping and dodging, internet troll.

And when it comes to kids, no, I don't just go along. I'm not that type.

Since you would not have had a court case, what would you have done, tough guy?

Considering you've yet to post one law that demostrates the goverenment forcing religious beliefs on you, even though you've had, what 2 weeks, clearly demostrates you don't have a leg to stand on.

And yes, as a sub you are a registered memeber of the school board and you had not only a right, you had an obligation to protect the children entrusted to your care. Unless your a liar and the incident never happened (that is what I suspect) then you failed your job miserably and have NO RIGHT to ever enter a school in any other capacity other then a parent again. EVER!!! I understand why you want to run from that conversation as fast as you can.

So tell me TC, what school and what sport did this kid get dismissed from for 'failing' to pray with the rest of the team?

Considering you've yet to post one law that demostrates the goverenment forcing religious beliefs on you, even though you've had, what 2 weeks, clearly demostrates you don't have a leg to stand on.

The argument was about people legislating their religious beliefs and I've cited a dozen. How about no package liquor on Sundays?

What I said is that making laws forcing people to live by your religious beliefs is no different than forcing those religious beliefs on you.

If you are living in Saudi Arabia and you steal something, they aren't going to not cut off your hand just because you are not a muslim.

No, in this they aren't making me convert to christianity by legislating their beliefs, they are just trying to ban behavior that goes against them.

You are either trolling or being deliberately obtuse. I could be wrong, you could be honestly blind.

And yes, as a sub you are a registered memeber of the school board and you had not only a right, you had an obligation to protect the children entrusted to your care. Unless your a liar and the incident never happened (that is what I suspect) then you failed your job miserably and have NO RIGHT to ever enter a school in any other capacity other then a parent again. EVER!!! I understand why you want to run from that conversation as fast as you can.

3/10. You suck at trolling.

You also have no idea what you are talking about. Subs are not necessarily members of the school board. Most school boards are filled with ELECTED members.

Are your arguments always so filled with fail?

So, big bad Aaron, lacking the option of a lawsuit, what would you have done?

Afraid to answer?

I quit in protest. What would you have done?

Aaron wrote: Unless your a liar and the incident never happened (that is what I suspect) then you failed your job miserably and have NO RIGHT to ever enter a school in any other capacity other then a parent again.

Sooner or later Aaron calls almost everyone a liar, TRC. It's his trump card of last resort, because he cannot fathom that truth would ever show the Great Aaron's arguments to be bankrupt. So when confronted with irrefutable facts that challenge his "logic", they automatically become "your a liar" (sic) material.

Hell, Aaron and Sam call me a liar when I tell 'em just where and how I lived my teenage years- in the midst of the human miseries caused by outlaw coal operators. They call me a liar to validate their mantra that Ziggy "doesn't know what he's talking about" as relates to strip mining for coal. It's their last resort trump card, with Ziggy, with TRC- with anyone whom they would rather try to discredit than to refute.

So when Aaron awards you his "liar" badge, you can wear it proudly- because it means he has realized his defeat.

Aaron has called me a liar too many times to count.

ziggy wrote:

Aaron wrote: Unless your a liar and the incident never happened (that is what I suspect) then you failed your job miserably and have NO RIGHT to ever enter a school in any other capacity other then a parent again.

Sooner or later Aaron calls almost everyone a liar, TRC. It's his trump card of last resort, because he cannot fathom that truth would ever show the Great Aaron's arguments to be bankrupt. So when confronted with irrefutable facts that challenge his "logic", they automatically become "your a liar" (sic) material.

Hell, Aaron and Sam call me a liar when I tell 'em just where and how I lived my teenage years- in the midst of the human miseries caused by outlaw coal operators. They call me a liar to validate their mantra that Ziggy "doesn't know what he's talking about" as relates to strip mining for coal. It's their last resort trump card, with Ziggy, with TRC- with anyone whom they would rather try to discredit than to refute.

So when Aaron awards you his "liar" badge, you can wear it proudly- because it means he has realized his defeat.

All he has to do Frank is tell us the school and the year this occurred at. If such an injustice was committed, what reaseon would TC have for not saying?

TerryRC wrote:So, big bad Aaron, lacking the option of a lawsuit, what would you have done?

Afraid to answer?

I quit in protest. What would you have done?

I would have went to the coach, the Principal, the next school board meeting AND the media. I would not have ran with my tail between my legs.