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Lawsuits filed in teacher pensions
Insurer accused of committing fraud
Two Charleston law firms are filing a class-action lawsuit on behalf of participants in the Teachers Defined Contribution plan, contending that many were fraudulently misled into investing most or all of their pension contributions into low-interest fixed rate annuities.
"It's based on fraud and misrepresentation," said Rusty Webb, whose law firm has joined with Bell & Bands in filing the lawsuit in Marshall Circuit Court.
The suit contends that representatives of Variable Life Insurance Co. (VALIC) misled thousands of participants in the 401(k) style TDC plan to invest heavily or entirely in their low-interest rate annuities in the early 1990s. VALIC has since been acquired by AIG Retirement.
"There's a constant pattern of misrepresentation," Webb said Thursday. "Whether you talk to someone in Marshall or Mercer county, or Berkeley or Cabell, the scenario is identical."
Because of poor investment decisions, the vast majority of the nearly 19,000 teachers, school service personnel and administrators enrolled in TDC have critically under-funded retirement portfolios.
That led to legislation this spring to give TDC enrollees the option to transfer to the Teachers Retirement System, a defined benefits plan.
Webb said the firms waited until the transfer election deadline of midnight Monday before filing the lawsuit.
"We didn't want to file it before the voting was over," he said. "We didn't want to confuse an already confusing situation."
The suit alleges that VALIC hired retired principals, school administrators and other "prominent local citizens" to sell the fixed-rate annuities in the schools.
VALIC agents, the suit contends, systematically misled teachers and school personnel, advising many to switch from a TRS system they warned would soon be bankrupt, and encouraging investment in "safe" annuities, instead of "gambling" on stocks and bonds.
In addition to VALIC and its agents, the firms also intend to make the Consolidated Public Retirement Board a party to the suit.
"We believe they had a fiduciary responsibility to not allow these quote-unquote investment advisers to run amok around the state," Webb said.
Anne Lambright, director of the CPRB, said she received the required 30-day notice of the firms' intent to sue the agency on Thursday. Under state law, 30-day notice is required before lawsuits are filed against state agencies or public officials.
Lambright said she could not comment on the suit, because all she has received is the letter of notice.
"I can't give you an answer or any kind of comment because I haven't seen the complaint," she said.
However, she said the office was flooded with calls Thursday from TDC participants concerned that the lawsuit could halt the TDC/TRS transfer process.
"It's just caused such a huge panic," Lambright said. "We've been overwhelmed by calls the lawsuit engendered."
In 2005, Charleston lawyer Jim Lees blocked a plan to have all TDC participants transfer into TRS, on the grounds it would have amounted to an illegal taking of assets from those who wanted to stay in the 401(k) style plan.
Webb said the current class action lawsuit does not attempt to halt the transfer process.
If the TDC/TRS transfer proceeds, which requires that a minimum of 65 percent of TDC participants elect to transfer, damages will be based on the buy-in costs to obtain full TDC pension benefits.
If the transfer passes - and a preliminary count may not be available until later this month - buy-in costs could vary from a few thousand dollars to as much as $40,000 to $50,000, depending on transfer election percentages and how close an individual is to retirement age.
TDC participants who transfer to TRS but do not buy-in would receive a pension equal to 75 percent of normal TRS benefits.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200805150732
SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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They have no lawsuit against the state. What I really find amusing is that this was done after the state gave teachers the option of coming back to the state retirement fund IF a mininium percentage would switch. The last I heard, they were well below the mininum to make the switch thus this lawsuit was filed.
My 401 lost 3% last quarter. I'm suing Citistreet!!!
My 401 lost 3% last quarter. I'm suing Citistreet!!!
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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Aaron wrote:They have no lawsuit against the state.
Sure they do.
The Consolidated Public Retirement Board Members are appointees of "the State", thus "the State" is a party to the "fraudulent actions of the Board" because the State has been aware of said actions and the losses by the investors (Teachers) for most all of the nearly 20 years it has been occurring ....... but done absolutely nothing to rectify "the problem".
In essense, "the State" has turned a "blind eye" to the actions of a Board that they hold control over and has permitted said Board to "do as they please".
One such thing, in my opinion, was to permit said Board to exact a horrendous "quarterly maintainence fee" from each and every participant of the TDC which I have estimated to be, .... for all 19,000+- participants, ..... at least $1.2 MILLION per year.
Aaron wrote:What I really find amusing is that this was done after the state gave teachers the option of coming back to the state retirement fund IF a mininium percentage would switch. The last I heard, they were well below the mininum to make the switch thus this lawsuit was filed.
WROOOOOOOONG ..................
SamCogar- Number of posts : 6238
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Aaron wrote:They have no lawsuit against the state. What I really find amusing is that this was done after the state gave teachers the option of coming back to the state retirement fund IF a mininium percentage would switch. The last I heard, they were well below the mininum to make the switch thus this lawsuit was filed.
It would be interesting to know where you "heard" this.
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Ziggy,
I read that in the Gazz, perhaps a week before the deadline.
I read that in the Gazz, perhaps a week before the deadline.
Re: Lawsuits filed in teacher pensions
ziggy wrote:Aaron wrote:They have no lawsuit against the state. What I really find amusing is that this was done after the state gave teachers the option of coming back to the state retirement fund IF a mininium percentage would switch. The last I heard, they were well below the mininum to make the switch thus this lawsuit was filed.
It would be interesting to know where you "heard" this.
I don't know if I read it in the gazette or on the radio. If I had known exactly where that number came from, I would have posted that Frankie.
At any rate, I heard it right before the first of May when the union was requesting an extension on the deadline becuase LESS THEN 65% of the teachers had voted to switch. The states reason for not approving the extension was that the extension would exceed the states deadline for teachers being able to retire this year, thus forcing elegible teachers to work one more year.
At any rate, the law called for 65% of the teachers in the TRC fund to switch to the TDC fund. The last number I heard was 8%. If you have a higher number Frank, what is it?
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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SamCogar wrote:Aaron wrote:They have no lawsuit against the state.
Sure they do.
The Consolidated Public Retirement Board Members are appointees of "the State", thus "the State" is a party to the "fraudulent actions of the Board" because the State has been aware of said actions and the losses by the investors (Teachers) for most all of the nearly 20 years it has been occurring ....... but done absolutely nothing to rectify "the problem".
In essense, "the State" has turned a "blind eye" to the actions of a Board that they hold control over and has permitted said Board to "do as they please".
One such thing, in my opinion, was to permit said Board to exact a horrendous "quarterly maintainence fee" from each and every participant of the TDC which I have estimated to be, .... for all 19,000+- participants, ..... at least $1.2 MILLION per year.Aaron wrote:What I really find amusing is that this was done after the state gave teachers the option of coming back to the state retirement fund IF a mininium percentage would switch. The last I heard, they were well below the mininum to make the switch thus this lawsuit was filed.
WROOOOOOOONG ..................
That's all debatable and apparently will be settled in court. Some people might think it is ones own personal responsibility to keep track of their own retirement investments. I don’t know how it works with the state but I know that’s how it is in the real world.
Personally, I would think the individual would share at least some responsibility in tracking how THEIR own investments were doing, and if they felt it is under performing, why they wouldn’t make a change to THEIR retirement account. If changing wasn’t possible, why wouldn’t they go to the CPRB and file a complaint or grievance against VALIC.
Just out of curiosity, out of 19,000 enrollees, how many complaints were lodged against VALIC to the CPRB?
Aaron- Number of posts : 9841
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Aaron wrote:
Some people might think it is ones own personal responsibility to keep track of their own retirement investments. I don’t know how it works with the state but I know that’s how it is in the real world.
Aaron, it was each TDC participant's responsibility to keep track of their own retirement investments, ...... but one problem was that they were forced into doing that and probably 90% of them didn't know one damn thing about investing.
And 2nd problem, their choices of "investments" were piss poor and limited because the CI Board selected "their preferred" investment firms to get "all the business" ...... which you can probably figure out why. And these same firms were the ones hiring ex school personnel to go to the Schools to give those "dummy" employees "good advice" on what to invest their money in. My wife even took their advice over mine ........ and DUUUUUUHHHHHH.
Aaron wrote:Personally, I would think the individual would share at least some responsibility in tracking how THEIR own investments were doing, and if they felt it is under performing, why they wouldn’t make a change to THEIR retirement account.
DUH, when all their choices were "losers" ...... it didn't make any difference.
Aaron wrote:If changing wasn’t possible, why wouldn’t they go to the CPRB and file a complaint or grievance against VALIC.
DUH, they are School employees, ...... you expecting miracles or what?
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