Bush Vetoes Farm Bill

On this subject I always remember the story I read probably back in the 1970’s that involved a young fellow doing graduate work at a New York City hospital/asylum. Therein was an old lady that had been there ever since she was found wandering the streets of the City as a young child.

The child/lady could not speak intelligently, just jibber n’ jabber making strange sounds that were unintelligible. The NYC Authorities could not find out who she was or where she came from ….. so there she was, confined all those years in that hospital.

Well now, that young fellow was assigned or picked that ole lady to complete his graduate work ……… and sometime during listening to her jibbering n’ jabbering …….. he recognized a distinct but rarely ever heard …. foreign accent/word usage that he was familiar with.

Well “DUH”, t’werent long before him and her were “talking up a storm” between the two of them.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with that little ole lady other than the fact that no one could understand what the hell she was saying.

Aaron, I do not believe that every specific incidence will be mentioned in the Constitution. Sometimes events occur or social issues must be dealt with. Ultimately Congress becomes the decider of what will be legislated under federal law. Hopefully they thoroughly research a subject before legislating to ensure a result which is constitutional. On the view of state vs. federal I quote the following. "The states delegated , by way of the Constitution, certain enumerated powers to the federal government established by that Constitution. These powers once delegated cannot be withdrawn by the states......
Although certain powers are delegated to the federal government, many powers, including the power, remain primarily in the states. However limitations in exercising these powers have been placed on the states by the specific provisions of the Constitution and by court decisions." ( Criminal Justice Text Series/Constitutional Law for Police/History and General Application/Section1.16) If Congress creates a law which provides welfare benefits it has the right to do so. It is a broader constitutional principle. Their right to do so cannot be rescinded by the states.
You almost promote the viewpoint that if something is not in the Constitution it should not be allowed. I mean literally in there. Have you considered the vastness of that position? How many things might not be allowed. Would you like the state of WV to rescind the driving priveledges of all men over 30? Driving isn't mentioned in the Constitution. Automobiles did not exist. Would that be right, or fair, or just? Would you abide by it if they did? Or would you challenge it? Within your frame of reference would the State of WV not be within its rights?

That was a good answer. If you do go to law school I'll be pleased that there is one thoughtful and honest lawyer out there...

Thank you Ohio County. I am a little behind. My first year I did not take a full course schedule. I have maintained the proper grade point average so I will be able to enter the School of Law. (Unless I fail miserably all of a sudden) I try to be thoughtful. I do not always succeed but I try.

takara40 wrote:Aaron, I do not believe that every specific incidence will be mentioned in the Constitution. Sometimes events occur or social issues must be dealt with. Ultimately Congress becomes the decider of what will be legislated under federal law. Hopefully they thoroughly research a subject before legislating to ensure a result which is constitutional. On the view of state vs. federal I quote the following. "The states delegated , by way of the Constitution, certain enumerated powers to the federal government established by that Constitution. These powers once delegated cannot be withdrawn by the states......
Although certain powers are delegated to the federal government, many powers, including the power, remain primarily in the states. However limitations in exercising these powers have been placed on the states by the specific provisions of the Constitution and by court decisions." ( Criminal Justice Text Series/Constitutional Law for Police/History and General Application/Section1.16) If Congress creates a law which provides welfare benefits it has the right to do so. It is a broader constitutional principle. Their right to do so cannot be rescinded by the states.
You almost promote the viewpoint that if something is not in the Constitution it should not be allowed. I mean literally in there. Have you considered the vastness of that position? How many things might not be allowed. Would you like the state of WV to rescind the driving priveledges of all men over 30? Driving isn't mentioned in the Constitution. Automobiles did not exist. Would that be right, or fair, or just? Would you abide by it if they did? Or would you challenge it? Within your frame of reference would the State of WV not be within its rights?

Everything is listed in the constitution, including driving. Congress has a specific list of enumerated duties they govern.

If something is not an enumerated duty, see the 10th Amendment.

I realize that's fairly generic answer but the bottom line is, the federal government has been overstepping their boundaries for well over a hundred years and what it has resulted in is exactly what many of our forefathers feared, a massive central government that wields all the power. Stephanie’s native Rhode Island feared it so much, as did Patrick Henry, that they, and he, refused to send delegates to the Philadelphia convention.

Yes, I believe we should adhere to the guidelines of the constitution. If something is not in there, such as driving (which could be regulated under the commerce clause for the record) then that right is delegated to the state and it is the states responsibilities to govern that action.

If anyone believes the federal government should control something that is currently not enumerated, then amend the constitution, which there is a provision for, of all places, in the constitution.

Congressional legislating with the purse strings should never have been an option.

Takara,

May I be so bold as to offer a bit of unwarranted advice?

I noticed that people in my graduate school began to turn into clones (including me many times). Groupthink really did take over, even among those of us who prided ourselves at how much we thought for ourselves. I was able to work that system, however, whenever I had not done my reading. Knowing what the prevailing sentiments were, I could easily de-rail a conversation in which I was not proficient in the direction of something which I knew more about. In so doing (in my papers as well) I was able to maintain a 4.0 and receive numerous awards without really knowing more than B and B- students.


Would you consider a weekly visit with someone who is neither in academia nor the legal profession? I think it may serve you well (I went to a food pantry every week and found it very, very helpful in limiting the numbing and conforming aspects of grad schol).

SheikBen your advice is very welcome. I was not sure what I would do this summer. I had hoped to come to WV but that is not going to work out. I tutor an inner city Baltimore H.S. student once a week. A soup kitchen sounds like a good idea. It is very easy to "become a clone". The drive to be successful sometimes takes the fun out of learning. I don't do as well as you. I carry a 3.8 grade point average. I will make it into the the law school. Sometimes we all study together. There is one girl who is so negative that it impacts the rest of us. It is amazing how we all seem to draw from her negativity. One of our professors commented on it one day. We had done a project on crime and the eight of us who had prepared together did not realize how negative what we had to say sounded. Then he read it back to us. We do not want to exclude her and have tried to get her to see things more positively. So far it hasn't worked. I think I may go home for at least a couple of weeks. I do some work on campus as well. Researching for two professors. They will take some time off and so will I. I appreciate the advice. I am around the law at school but I also grew up with the law. It becomes like breathing sometimes, though it shouldn't. A new interest would be good. I won't be on the forum for a day or so, but I will look forward to further interaction.

Aaron I thought that you might find this interesting. I love the Constitution. I always try to remember something though. My father studied this subject for years. Did internships and worked with more experienced attorneys. Constitutional Law is the most difficult to practice and comprehend. What I know is limited. My opinion is the opinion of a lay person not an expert opinion. My education is not complete yet and neither do I have experience in this field of law.What us posters share is insight into what we believe to be true about the Constitution and it should be fun. It may be that what I deem proficient for myself would fill a thimble. But if they take your right to drive away when I become an attorney I will come down there to fight to get it back for you! I'll try to get on again sometime Sunday.[url=http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/trials/conlaw/congpowers.htm]

There was a an old dude on our old forum that said the same way I feel. It doesn't take a genius to read the constitution and form an opinion. I agree with that. IMO, part of the wonder of the constitution is it's simplicity.

And your link didn't work.

With a 3.8 you'll do just fine. I'm glad you got a B or two--stressing about keeping a 4.0 well, sucks. The funny thing is that the most successful among us from grad school were not anywhere near the top of the class back then (late 90's). We had a guy who now does policy work for NASA, and he's really a great guy (any arm of government would have done well to have him), but far from the fellow you'd have called "most likely to succeed."

Another curiosity is that no one really cares about the GPA. I have taught now for 5 seperate colleges, and not once has it come up that my GPA was noticed. Only on a recent non-academic job interview (I'm looking to work in restitution, helping make sure that kids with court ordered community service actually do it) did I hear a "wow, that really jumps out!" from my grad GPA. Otherwise, no one, not my department chairs, not my students, not my colleagues, either know nor would care if they knew what my GPA was. For all of the stress that the grades may cause you today, it will all come out in the wash.

You almost promote the viewpoint that if something is not in the Constitution it should not be allowed. I mean literally in there. Have you considered the vastness of that position? How many things might not be allowed. Would you like the state of WV to rescind the driving priveledges of all men over 30? Driving isn't mentioned in the Constitution.

Takara,

I am no Constitutional expert, and I don't pretend to be. I have read the document numerous times, and some SCOTUS decisions etc, but obviously I'm a novice. I would like to give you my thoughts on this specific subject.

You're correct, licensing drivers is not mentioned in the Constitution. Therefore it is a power of the states, not the federal government. This just adds additional weight to the argument of millions of Americans opposed to federal interference with our drivers' licenses. The feds have no authority to dictact any requirements related to those licenses.

My $0.02.

The 10th amendment does seem to give the "default" power to the states or the people, rather than to the feds, whenever a power is not given to the federal government (ie not mentioned).

SheikBen wrote:With a 3.8 you'll do just fine. I'm glad you got a B or two--stressing about keeping a 4.0 well, sucks. The funny thing is that the most successful among us from grad school were not anywhere near the top of the class back then (late 90's). We had a guy who now does policy work for NASA, and he's really a great guy (any arm of government would have done well to have him), but far from the fellow you'd have called "most likely to succeed."

Another curiosity is that no one really cares about the GPA. I have taught now for 5 seperate colleges, and not once has it come up that my GPA was noticed. Only on a recent non-academic job interview (I'm looking to work in restitution, helping make sure that kids with court ordered community service actually do it) did I hear a "wow, that really jumps out!" from my grad GPA. Otherwise, no one, not my department chairs, not my students, not my colleagues, either know nor would care if they knew what my GPA was. For all of the stress that the grades may cause you today, it will all come out in the wash.

Mike, I always heard the employer's "general Rule" for hiring someone was .......

"If you were capable and smart enough to get a Degree ....... then you are probably capable and smart enough for us to teach you what we want you to do".


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Aaron wrote:There was a an old dude on our old forum that said the same way I feel. It doesn't take a genius to read the constitution and form an opinion. I agree with that. IMO, part of the wonder of the constitution is it's simplicity.

And your link didn't work.

Aaron, looks like he started a "hyper link" but didn't finish it, to wit:





2 solutions if interested, ..... just so one will know what a hyper link looks like:

1. add ..... XXXX ..... (or whatever you want other than XXXX) to the end of his link and repost it and the XXXX will appear as the "link" to click on.

2. delete the preceeding [url= .... and the ] ... at the end, repost it and it will appear as a normal clickable link.

I know, ... I know, ..... I'm obsessed with trying to teach you all something.


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Sam,

I don't suppose you could teach me to play the violin, could ya? I wish I could do that. So it's like http;//gazzfriends.forumotion.com[/url] Like that?

holycrap you can't edit the hyperlink thingy. I had to edit to explain why I can't do this.

Years ago, there was this HUGE debate within the school district I was involved with about Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligence. I think I've got the spelling correct on the name. It was a long time ago.

For those of you unfamiliar with THE THEORY, basically this individual theorized that there are 7 different intelligences. I could look this up and refresh my memory on all of this, but it gave me a headache then and it will only hurt worse now that I'm in my 40's.

In any event, Gardner claimed that there are 7 or 8 (it's been years) different kinds of "intelligences" and that not all people are intelligent in the same way. Oh darn I've got to look this garbage up now.

1.1 Bodily-Kinesthetic

1.2 Interpersonal

1.3 Verbal-Linguistic

1.4 Logical-Mathematical

1.5 Naturalistic

1.6 Intrapersonal

1.7 Spatial

1.8 Musical

In any event, my friend Linda buys into this business hook, line, and sinker. She would always tell me I'm a "visual learner". To that end she is correct. If I'm clueless about something (as I am these hyperlink thingies) I need to see it, step by step. You can't tell me, I'll never get it. If by some miracle I do "get" it, I won't ever remember it until I see it.



Gardner's theory is but one of the multitude of educational fads that has been used in recent years to FUBAR many schools.

We have a guy at church who plays the violin for the "Illinois Valley Symphony Orchestra." Anyone who has ever been to the Illinois Valley should be able to find the humor in such a group even existing. As was said recently "the only culture we have down here is agriculture."

I wouldn't learn the violin if I were you, Stephanie. You might then insist on playing it:)

Oh dear.....that would be awful wouldn't it? Cruel and unusual punishment for hubs & the kiddos and anyone within earshot

Stephanie wrote:Sam,

I don't suppose you could teach me to play the violin, could ya? I wish I could do that.

No, I couldn't, ...... only thing I know how to play is .... on the rug ........ or under the covers.

Stephanie wrote:So it's like http;//gazzfriends.forumotion.com[/url] Like that?

And I don't know what that was ..... so apparently not. Yeah, I know whatcha did.

Steph, ignore the leading minus sign in the following and this is a link to this thread, to wit:

-https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469

With that 1st character being a minus - sign, the software didn't recognize it as a url link.

For the software to recognize it as a "link" there must be a "space" character as the 1st and last character, to wit without the minus sign:

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469

Thus, that time the software recognized it as a url link.

Now, the following is what a "hyper link" to this thread looks like but I have to make it "colored text" or the software will convert it and you can't readily see it.

[url=https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469]a "hyper link" to this thread[/url]

As you can see via the red text, I added the [url= as leading characters signifying "start of hyper link", .... then the same url as above, ..... then I added a right bracket ] as the last character of the url or "end of hyper link url", ........ then I keyed in a description of what this link was ...... then I added the [/url] at the end as a terminator of the hyper link, wit:


Now, here it is without the colored text and the software recognizes it as a hyper link and this is what you see:

a "hyper link" to this thread

And here again .... with a different description:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

And here again .... with description in bold type and underlined:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

And here again .... with description in color, bold type and underlined:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

Steph, to see all the above as actual keyed data, just click "QUOTE" to reply and you can see all the HTML code.

cheers

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SamCogar wrote:

Stephanie wrote:Sam,

I don't suppose you could teach me to play the violin, could ya? I wish I could do that.

No, I couldn't, ...... only thing I know how to play is .... on the rug ........ or under the covers.

Stephanie wrote:So it's like http;//gazzfriends.forumotion.com[/url] Like that?

And I don't know what that was ..... so apparently not. Yeah, I know whatcha did.

Steph, ignore the leading minus sign in the following and this is a link to this thread, to wit:

-https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469

With that 1st character being a minus - sign, the software didn't recognize it as a url link.

For the software to recognize it as a "link" there must be a "space" character as the 1st and last character, to wit without the minus sign:

https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469

Thus, that time the software recognized it as a url link.

Now, the following is what a "hyper link" to this thread looks like but I have to make it "colored text" or the software will convert it and you can't readily see it.

[url=https://gazzfriends.forumotion.com/national-politics-f6/bush-vetoes-farm-bill-t879-60.htm#9469]a "hyper link" to this thread[/url]

As you can see via the red text, I added the [url= as leading characters signifying "start of hyper link", .... then the same url as above, ..... then I added a right bracket ] as the last character of the url or "end of hyper link url", ........ then I keyed in a description of what this link was ...... then I added the [/url] at the end as a terminator of the hyper link, wit:


Now, here it is without the colored text and the software recognizes it as a hyper link and this is what you see:

a "hyper link" to this thread

And here again .... with a different description:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

And here again .... with description in bold type and underlined:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

And here again .... with description in color, bold type and underlined:
a "hyper link" for Stephanie, da big boss and chief moderator

Steph, to see all the above as actual keyed data, just click "QUOTE" to reply and you can see all the HTML code.

cheers

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LOL

I'm going to have to save this somewhere so I can refer to it.

You can teach an older dog new tricks, it just takes a bit of time and a whole lotta patience. Thanks, Sammy.

Stephanie wrote:
I'm going to have to save this somewhere so I can refer to it.

You can teach an older dog new tricks, it just takes a bit of time and a whole lotta patience. Thanks, Sammy.

Steph, that was a long description.

For a quick reminder, when you are in "POST A REPLY" mode,

Just slowly move your cursor across all those "buttons" below the "SUBJECT line"

and watch right above the left side of the 'white' text entry field.

there will appear the HTML format for each of those "buttons".

When you get over to the "Link" button you will see both of what I described.

It also shows you the "dual key code" (ALTernate key plus ? key) , both depressed at the same time, ........ which performs the same "function" as clicking the buttons.

Fer instance you are keying a sentence and you want the "next word(s)" ... boldfaced type, just hold down the ALT key and depress the letter "b" key .... and when you finish keying what you wanted boldfaced ... hit ALT/b again. Try it, you will see what I mean.

That is for really fast typers that don't have time to grab the mouse, .... highlight the text ...... and then click a button.

NAH, just kidding, .... but really fast typers do use the key combos rather than the mouse.

There are such double or triple "key combos" for doing bout anything ya can do with the mouse ...... and even things ya can't do with the mouse, ..... and things that you shouldn't be doing at all.

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