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Senator Byrd's friend in a jam

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Post by shermangeneral Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:00 pm

http://news.aol.com/?feature=106682

Even though he was a republican, Sen Byrd always treated him as a friend with dignity and respect.

I am sure Sen Byrd has heartfelt sympathy for him and his family.

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Post by Aaron Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:31 pm

I'm sure he does Sherm. Considering there is debate about which of the two is truely the Prince of Pork.

Personally, I think it's Stevens, who gets a return of invesment of almost $14K on tax dollars spent. Byrd and WV only get slightly less then $9K.
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Post by ohio county Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:26 am

Let him rot in a federal penitentiary.
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Post by shermangeneral Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:31 am

Well Jim those are pretty strong words...

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Post by ohio county Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:37 am

Can you say the same about William Jefferson?
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Post by shermangeneral Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:49 am

Is he the one with the cash in his fridge?

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Post by ohio county Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:37 am

Yes, and a recent return to the most ethical Congress.
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Post by Stephanie Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:11 am

I'm with Jimmy.......let Stevens rot in prison.

Well, can you say the same about Jefferson?
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Post by shermangeneral Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:46 am

I never said it about either one.

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Post by Stephanie Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:45 pm

shermangeneral wrote:I never said it about either one.

People who take an oath to serve and uphold the law should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the citizenry, not a lower one. When they commit crimes in direct conflict to the public good for personal gain they should receive the harshest punishment under the law.

I feel that way about Jefferson and Stevens. I'd like to know why you don't think they should rot in prison.
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Post by Aaron Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:22 pm

One has been complicent with Byrd in wasting trillions of tax payer dollars since the late 60's. There are as many things in Alaska that bears his name as there are in WV that bear Byrd's.

The others a democrat.
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Post by shermangeneral Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:28 pm

Well Steph if you are asking me I'm from the old school.

Give them a fair trial and Then hang 'em....

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Post by SamCogar Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:37 am

Stephanie wrote:People who take an oath to serve and uphold the law should be held to a higher standard than the rest of the citizenry, not a lower one.

"NO", ...... they should be held accountable to the Oath that they swore to uphold.

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Post by ohio county Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:12 am

Both men have demonstrated amply that their "service" was strictly selfish and self-serving. I don't have any sympathy for either man and am anxious to see them brought to justice.
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:21 am

Well I must disagree.

Sen Byrd has not enriched himself and has relatively little in the way of worldly goods far as I know.

He could be a wealthy man and sit on all these corporate boards, etc.

But he has not.

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Post by ohio county Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:25 am

What's he got to do with this? Nobody criticized him. You think he isn't a wealthy man?
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:33 am

He lives quite a frugal lifestyle, relatively speaking oc.

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Post by ohio county Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:47 am

Today, Members of the United States Congress enjoy a vast web of perquisites that benefit them personally as well as professionally, including:

*Comfortable salaries that are often determined through legislative sleight-of-hand. Contrary to the arguments of many Washington "insiders," the cost of living has rarely eroded the historical value of lawmakers' pay, which on a constant-dollar basis is hovering near the postwar high.

*Pension benefits that are two to three times more generous than those offered in the private sector for similarly-salaried executives. Taxpayers directly cover at least 80 percent of this costly plan. Congressional pensions are also inflation-protected, a feature that fewer than 1 in 10 private plans offer.

*Health and life insurance, approximately 3/4 and 1/3 of whose costs, respectively, are subsidized by taxpayers.
Wheeled perks, including limousines for senior Members, prized parking spaces on Capitol Hill, and choice spots at Washington's two major airports.

*Travel to far-flung destinations as well as to home states and districts. Despite recent attempts to toughen gift and travel rules, "junkets" are still readily available prerogatives for many Members.

*A wide range of smaller perks that have defied reform efforts, from cut-rate health clubs to fine furnishings.

But the very nature of public office itself demands a more comprehensive definition of a "perk" than that normally applied to corporate America. Members of Congress can also wield official powers that allow them to continue to enjoy the personal benefits outlined above, such as:

*The franking privilege, which gives lawmakers millions in tax dollars to create a favorable public image. Experts across the political spectrum have labeled the frank as an unfair electioneering tool. In past election cycles, Congressional incumbents have spent as much on franking alone as challengers have spent on their entire campaigns.

*An office staff that performs "constituent services" and doles out pork-barrel spending, providing more opportunities for "favors" that can be returned only at election time.

*Exemptions and immunities from tax, pension, and other laws that burden private citizens -- all crafted by lawmakers themselves.

And all this for the low, low price of $165,000 per year.

http://www.ntu.org/main/press.php?PressID=343
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:55 am

Yes the opportunity is there for someone who wants to abuse I suppose.

But Byrd gets no pension.

Nor does he do junkets, etc like some do.

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Post by ohio county Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:07 am

Well, it is true he'll get no pension but only because he fully intends to die before he retires.

He's never taken a trip abroad on the public? I'll look into that.

He got his law degree on the public's dollar.
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Post by Aaron Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:11 am

Byrd has authored or is responsible for 7 books among other outside activities. He's been in the Senate for 50 years. He's not hurting for money.
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Post by Aaron Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:12 am

And actually, at the age of 90, he is still eligible to receive partial SS benefits and at least a portion of his pension even though he is still employed.
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:15 am

well dont you think that is groping or scraping the bottom to say that?

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Post by ohio county Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:18 am

I still don't undestand why you brought him up.
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Post by shermangeneral Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:25 am

Well because he and Ted Stevens are friends I guess.

They are kinda like counterparts as I understand.

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