Palin's future?

ohio county wrote:

OK Oc if I understand you right...

Clearly you do not. I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from rephrasing anything I say.

Well hell, OC. Aaron does that all the time here. He's usually at a loss for words other than to twist what we say into something we didn't say.

Do what I did - ask him to stop!

SheikBen wrote:Here's my frustration. Elected officials (and government employees) have been misusing public funds (this does not excuse Palin) or at best excessively using public funds for decades.

Just now the AP cares about it.

Does the AP pay for those Super Duper Extra Special First Class rides their personell are permitted on Air Force One?

How about the other media's personell, ....... do they pay "the cost" for their travel on AF1?

TRC is such a nerdy loser he doesn't know that "rank and importance has its privileges", ….. and losers are very seldom to never awarded such priviledges.




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TerryRC wrote:
Ziggy knows I consider him a friend, but he is a socialist. So is Sherm, but you are not. Socialism is un-American. America is a capitalist country. That's not the same as being anti-American. Sadly, in this country we have a number of citizens who are anti-American. I suspect we have an anti-American member.....however that is quite a charge to make against a person and I'm not 100% certain. If I become certain, I'll be sure and give you a holler.

Sounds like "America is a christian nation"... makes me shiver. There are plenty that think me unAmerican because I profess no faith in god.

Anyway, capitalism will have to answer for itself. It has been seen palling around with people like China. Now I'm not saying that capitalism is unAmerican, but those rights-tromping, commie Chinese... ?

What is socialism, Steph? How about the corporate socialism going on? Are people that approved of the bailout unAmerican? They are supporting a CLASSIC definition of socialism.

I believe that ziggy and sherm LOVE this country. I think you are out of line to even suggest that they are unAmerican.

I would never hit a lady, btw. Nor am I likely to come to blows over words. Hope your son gets to feeling better.

Well let it give you shivers then. Did you hear even a hit of support from me when Congress voted for this bailout? I called it what it is, an abomination. No, I don't support welfare for Wall Street either. Yes, I consider the bailout unAmerican.

I want an investigation into those members of Congress who lied and denied there were troubles with Fannie & Freddie. I want charges brought against Representatives and Senators who had clear conflicts of interest but ridiculed regulators and praised the crooks.

Terry, you're insinuating that capitalism is or has failed, but how would you know? Socialism has been creeping its way into every facet of American life.

I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way. That is the socialist way and socialism, like communism, has been tried over and over and over again and is always doomed to failure. Socialism is unAmerican.

I maintain what I have said right along......if you want to live in a socialist nation, there are plenty to choose from. Go pick one. Leave America to those who believe we are entitled to the fruits of our labors.

The greatest inventions of the past several centuries came from American inventors, American entrepenuers, American capitalists. Whitney, Edison, Bell, Ford, all capitalists. Socialism stifles creativity and ingenuity and fails to adequately reward those who strive for excellence and does nothing to deter irresponsibility and laziness.

btw......I never thougth for a moment you'd actually take a swing at me. Also, the boy is feeling well enough to drive me nuts. He's on the mend!

I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way.

Starting nearly a century ago, it has become the American way.

And as we have seen recently, Wall Street just loves it that way.

Or is Wall Street, too, "unamerican".

ziggy wrote:

I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way.

Starting nearly a century ago, it has become the American way.

And as we have seen recently, Wall Street just loves it that way.

Or is Wall Street, too, "unamerican".

It will be our demise.

One of my favorite quotes is from Alex Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh at the time of America's birth, wrote a warning to America in 1787. He observed that the average age of the world's greatest civilizations was about 200 years, during which they inevitably progressed through the following sequence:

* from bondage to faith,

* from faith to courage,

* from courage to liberty,

* from liberty to abundance,

* from abundance to complacency,

* from complacency to apathy,

* from apathy to dependence, and

* from dependence back to bondage.

ziggy wrote:

ohio county wrote:

OK Oc if I understand you right...

Clearly you do not. I'd really appreciate it if you would refrain from rephrasing anything I say.

Well hell, OC. Aaron does that all the time here. He's usually at a loss for words other than to twist what we say into something we didn't say.

This coming from the king of word games and out right lies. Even the nicest guy on the forum out right expected you of playing word games when you ask him a question.

We all know exactly what you are Frank, and honest ain't it.

And I missed you. I've wondered where you've been. Hope everything's ok.

ziggy wrote:

I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way.

Starting nearly a century ago, it has become the American way.

And as we have seen recently, Wall Street just loves it that way.

Or is Wall Street, too, "unamerican".

Closer to 80 years Frank. It what has socialism done for us?

It has our taxes up from less then 5% of our pay to more then 40% of the average working American, has led to over 60,000,000,000,000.00 (that's trillions for those of you who can't count that high) of unfunded liabilities and will only go higher with the recent socialist bailout and will likely double if RePO takes complete control of America as some expect and will do what other superpowers and terrorist organizations haven't been able to do and that's bring down America.

And to think, it all started with good intentions and you think it's a good thing.

Aaron wrote:

ziggy wrote:

I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way.

Starting nearly a century ago, it has become the American way.

And as we have seen recently, Wall Street just loves it that way.

Or is Wall Street, too, "unamerican".

Closer to 80 years Frank. It what has socialism done for us?

It has our taxes up from less then 5% of our pay to more then 40% of the average working American, has led to over 60,000,000,000,000.00 (that's trillions for those of you who can't count that high) of unfunded liabilities and will only go higher with the recent socialist bailout and will likely double if RePO takes complete control of America as some expect and will do what other superpowers and terrorist organizations haven't been able to do and that's bring down America.

And to think, it all started with good intentions and you think it's a good thing.

Good or bad, it IS the American way now. So opposing it would be un-American!

We all know exactly what you are Frank, and honest ain't it.

And I missed you. I've wondered where you've been. Hope everything's ok.

Yeah, I am fine. And thanks for your concern. You are the 2nd one here this week to ask if I'm Ok.

It nice to know I'm still loved.

I've been pre-occupied with pre-election rabble-rousing, mostly.

ziggy wrote:
Good or bad, it IS the American way now. So opposing it would be un-American!

You should know Frank that just because you tell a lie, it doesn't make it truth.

ziggy wrote:

We all know exactly what you are Frank, and honest ain't it.

And I missed you. I've wondered where you've been. Hope everything's ok.

Yeah, I am fine. And thanks for your concern. You are the 2nd one here this week to ask if I'm Ok.

It nice to know I'm still loved.

I've been pre-occupied with pre-election rabble-rousing, mostly.

You must love election years. It's the only time you can sell your "Mountain Party product" to people other then farmers.

You must love election years. It's the only time you can sell your "Mountain Party product" to people other then farmers.

It's the only time we need to.

Aaron wrote:

ziggy wrote:
Good or bad, it IS the American way now. So opposing it would be un-American!

You should know Frank that just because you tell a lie, it doesn't make it truth.

What lie? It's as American as apple pie and hot dogs. And even Wall Street and a compassionatly conservative Republican administration has bought into it now.

It's a lie according to the 70 to 80% of AMERICANS who opposed the bailout.

And it's a lie to everyone who knows what the end result of socialism is.

I've challenged you numerous times Frank to name me one government ran and/or socialist program that has been implemented that isn't a complete and utter failure that's full of fraud and waste.

And for close to two years, you've never met that challenge. The challenge still stands.

I've challenged you numerous times Frank to name me one government ran and/or socialist program that has been implemented that isn't a complete and utter failure that's full of fraud and waste.

And for close to two years, you've never met that challenge. The challenge still stands.

Several times I have pointed to Social Security. Its low administrative costs, and its fiscal viability- for decades ahead- is now the envy of the Wall Street beggers of billion$.

And each time you point to it I have to remind you that it's neither sound nor viable as bankruptcy estimates range from 2017 to 2041. So how is a government ran program that close to complete and utter failure successful?

And that's not even taking into consideration that SSI, Medicare and welfare are all part of the social security program.

I may or may not draw a dime from SS, I'm not sure. I put the odds at maybe 50% of it being around when I'm elegible. My faith that my children will draw from the program is a little less then .0001%. That in itself is not the defination of success.

Keep trying Frank.

And each time you point to it I have to remind you that it's neither sound nor viable as bankruptcy estimates range from 2017 to 2041. So how is a government ran program that close to complete and utter failure a successfully ran program?

Apparently it is a hell of a lot more viable than even the most prestigious fimancial houses of Wall Street.

Maybe, maybe not, but that's not relevant to the conversation Frank.

We're discussing government ran programs.

It also doesn't change the fact that SS is rampant with fraud and waste and is, imo, the classic example of why government SHOULD NOT be involved in private aspects of American lives.

They've taken a program that by all measures should be flush with TRILLIONS in assets and based on the amount of money put into the fund, should last indefinitely but BECAUSE of our government, the program now faces bankruptcy.

And you point to this as a success.

Please.



The challenge remains unanswered.

And you point to this as a success.

Can you name even one American corporation that you can guarantee will not be "bankrupt" between now and 2017 and 2041?

TRC is such a nerdy loser he doesn't know that "rank and importance has its privileges", ….. and losers are very seldom to never awarded such priviledges.


Typical douche comment, Sam.

Palin was in violation of her own state's ethics laws. She obviously knew it because she had the travel expense forms changed.

Go on, call me names, though, if it makes you feel better.

Terry, you're insinuating that capitalism is or has failed, but how would you know? Socialism has been creeping its way into every facet of American life.

Did I say capitalism has failed? I just said it has been hanging around some very unAmerican groups.

Do you believe that it is unAmerican to fetter capitalism? Obviously not, according to what you have stated about deregulation creating some of the mess we are in.


I think Ziggy & Sherm love America. I never said they didn't. I certainly never said you don't. What I have said, and will continue to say about them both, is they don't value and they don't defend most of the very things that made America the greatest nation on Earth. They favor redistribution of wealth, that has never been the American way. That is the socialist way and socialism, like communism, has been tried over and over and over again and is always doomed to failure. Socialism is unAmerican.

If one is unAmerican how can one love America?

Anyhow, this is "says you". I happen to prefer capitalism, but it was the way I was raised. I understand there are other schools of thought on the matter. I would never presume to say that ANY political ideology makes one unAmerican.

As far as socialism being doomed to failure, how many of the top ten countries in terms of standards of living are socialist?

Be careful, Steph, of your judgments of others.

Too funny:

ziggy wrote:

And each time you point to it I have to remind you that it's neither sound nor viable as bankruptcy estimates range from 2017 to 2041. So how is a government ran program that close to complete and utter failure a successfully ran program?

Apparently it is a hell of a lot more viable than even the most prestigious fimancial houses of Wall Street.

Apparently you are still full of shidt.

SS Trust Fund ------ BILLION$ of DOLLARS
Year .... GDP .. Outgo Income Balance
2007* 13279.1 462.1 670.0 2,011.9

http://home.netcom.com/~rdavis2/ssfund.html

That 2007 Balance that is owed to the SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND is



Owed to the Trust Fund because there is nothing in it except IOU's.


And you call that viable ........ and that proves you are ..........



.

That 2007 Balance that is owed to the SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND is $2.0119 TRILLION DOLLARS.

How does that compare to what Wall Street owes? Just a drop in the bucket.