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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Tue May 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Al Qaeda Tape to Call for Use of WMDs
Authorities: New Tape to Urge Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction on Civilians
By PIERRE THOMAS and THERESA COOK
May 27, 2008


Intelligence and law enforcement sources tell ABC News they are expecting al Qaeda operatives will post a new video on the Internet in the next 24 hours, calling for what one source said is "jihadists to use biological, chemical and nuclear weapons to attack the West."
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Officials say they expect a new tape from al Qaeda to call for the use of weapons of mass destruction against civilians. The group has released messages with increasing frequency this year.
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"There have been several reports that al Qaeda will release a new message calling for the use of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) against civilians," FBI spokesman Richard Kolko told ABC News in an e-mail.

"Although there have been similar messages in the past, the FBI and [Department of Homeland Security] have no intelligence of any specific plot or indication of a threat to the U.S.," the e-mail said. "The FBI and U.S. intelligence community will review the message for any intelligence value."

While there is no evidence of any direct threat, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, out of an abundance of caution.
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Post by ziggy Tue May 27, 2008 10:11 pm

Ho-hum.

And what else is new?
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 6:30 am

While there is no evidence of any direct threat, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, out of an abundance of caution.

So what should they do Frank, nothing? Should the just ignore Al Qeada?
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Post by Stephanie Wed May 28, 2008 9:32 am

No, the government should invade the privacy of every law-abiding American and further erode our civil liberties. We should also expel all Muslims, anyone of Arab decent, and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran now that we've invaded Iraq. Like that plan?
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Post by ziggy Wed May 28, 2008 9:38 am

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While there is no evidence of any direct threat, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, out of an abundance of caution.

So what should they do Frank, nothing? Should the just ignore Al Qeada?

Man, we've been in Iraq for more than 5 years since the mission was declared accomplished. Do you mean to tell us that Al Qaeda is still out there rootin' around somewhere? And McCain said only yesterday that we are "winning" in Iraq. So is the theory that we have been fighting Al Qeada in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here full of holes?
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Post by Ich bin Ala-awkbarph Wed May 28, 2008 9:42 am

ziggy wrote:
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While there is no evidence of any direct threat, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, out of an abundance of caution.

So what should they do Frank, nothing? Should the just ignore Al Qeada?

Man, we've been in Iraq for more than 5 years since the mission was declared accomplished. Do you mean to tell us that Al Qaeda is still out there rootin' around somewhere? And McCain said only yesterday that we are "winning" in Iraq. So is the theory that we have been fighting Al Qeada in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here full of holes?

Where would you fight them, Zig?
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 9:56 am

Stephanie wrote:No, the government should invade the privacy of every law-abiding American and further erode our civil liberties. We should also expel all Muslims, anyone of Arab decent, and bomb, bomb, bomb Iran now that we've invaded Iraq. Like that plan?

That sounds about as stupid as ignoring Al Qeada completely. Shirley there has to be some middle ground somewhere, doesn't there!!!
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 9:58 am

ziggy wrote:
Aaron wrote:
While there is no evidence of any direct threat, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the country, out of an abundance of caution.

So what should they do Frank, nothing? Should the just ignore Al Qeada?

Man, we've been in Iraq for more than 5 years since the mission was declared accomplished. Do you mean to tell us that Al Qaeda is still out there rootin' around somewhere? And McCain said only yesterday that we are "winning" in Iraq. So is the theory that we have been fighting Al Qeada in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here full of holes?

I see you're back to no point whatsoever, huh Frank!!!
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Post by ziggy Wed May 28, 2008 10:01 am

If you say so, then it must be true.
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Post by Stephanie Wed May 28, 2008 10:06 am

When Shirley finds it you let me know.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 10:41 am

ziggy wrote:If you say so, then it must be true.

Considering that it is Sunni citizens that are now fighting Al Qeada and the al Malki government that is now going into Sadr City and Basra and combating The Mahdi Army, and you don't understand the signafiance of either, I feel comfortable saying that all your doing is spouting is your anti-war tripe.

I expect nothing less.


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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 10:42 am

Stephanie wrote:When Shirley finds it you let me know.

How about the government doing their job and when there is a credible threat, them warning AND protecting American citizens, both here and abroad?

Would that work for you?
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 10:43 am

And as far as WMD's, you guys know what the basic componants of mustard gas are, right???
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Post by Stephanie Wed May 28, 2008 11:23 am

Yes and ricin is made from castor beans. So ordinary citizens with internet or library access can manufacture and release "WMD's"

btw.....I'm ok with your suggestion, Aaron. It just isn't what has been occuring in this country.
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Post by ziggy Wed May 28, 2008 12:54 pm

Aaron wrote:
ziggy wrote:If you say so, then it must be true.

Considering that it is Sunni citizens that are now fighting Al Qeada and the al Malki government that is now going into Sadr City and Basra and combating The Mahdi Army, and you don't understand the signafiance of either, I feel comfortable saying that all your doing is spouting is your anti-war tripe.

I expect nothing less.

Hey, it was GWB, not Ziggy, who got us into this mess in Iraq. So it is his job, not Ziggy's, to get us out of it.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 1:55 pm

Who said anything about anyone getting us out? We were talking about Frank's lack of knowledge on the ongoing war in Iraq and how Franks opinion is biased and based on anti-war rhetoric and that why Frank is spouting the tripe he is.

Clear!!!
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Post by ziggy Wed May 28, 2008 2:12 pm

If you say so, then we all know it must be true.
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 2:33 pm

And that is your answer when you have no answer.

Just so you know though, Al Qaeda is made up of the Sunni section of Islam. The al Malki government and the Mahdi Army are both Shia. The simple fact that each sect is combating insurgent factions within their own sect is ground breaking.

That coupled with the fact that it is now the Iraqi Army taking the point and doing the fighting and not American soldiers means that, yes, the war is turning.

About the only thing that can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory are those that have a vested interest in American losing in Iraq; democrats and peaceniks.
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Post by Stephanie Wed May 28, 2008 5:42 pm

Aaron,

How can we lose in Iraq? Our Commander in Chief declared "Misson accomplished" years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Aaron Wed May 28, 2008 7:23 pm

Was he wrong?
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Post by Stephanie Wed May 28, 2008 11:08 pm

If he was correct, why are we still there? Haven't displaced enough civilians yet? Haven't we manufactured enough suicide bombers yet? Perhaps we haven't killed enough Iraqis yet.
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Post by Aaron Thu May 29, 2008 9:22 am

What was the mission?

I'm not saying Bush was right. He was wrong going in, he was wrong in allowing Rumsfield to run this war, he was wrong in the number of troops initially sent in, he was wrong in taking out the entire Iraqi military and all civil employees and he was wrong in declaring 'mission accomplished'.

But if you look back, the mission that we went in for WAS accomplished.

What wasn't accomplished was how it was managed AFTER the mission was accomplished. That resulted in the uprising of insurgents and that is what has led to the past 5 years of conflict.

But Bush finally got a little sense when he bowed to political pressure and got rid of Rumsfield, put Robert Gates in as the SecDef and started listening to Gen. Petraeus.

Like it or not, the tide is turning. It is Iraqi Sunni's that are combating Al Qeada. It is the Shiite led Iraqi military that is combating the Mahdi Army in Sadr City and Basra. Those are giant steps but those with a vested interest in America NOT being successful in Iraq CAN'T see that. It doesn't serve their agenda.

What got us in Iraq and led to the displacement of civilians and increase of sucide bombers was a political agenda taking precedence OVER military decision makers. Had GWB followed the Powell Doctrine instead of listening to civilians, we wouldn't be where we are now.

That was criticized before but now that there are successes in Iraq, those with a vested interest want the United States to return that that type of decision making policies.

I think that would be a huge mistake that will lead to the United States being BACK in Iraq/Iran in 10 to 15 years. Do you really think that's a wise decision?
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Post by Stephanie Thu May 29, 2008 11:18 am

Aaron,

I've told you numerous times what I believe America should do in Iraq. LEAVE NOW!

Look, the Iraqis are having all this tremendous success, they don't even need us so much any more. We can't afford to be there.

If the mission we went there for was accomplished, we should leave. This isn't worth another American life, or limb, or shattered mind.
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Post by Aaron Thu May 29, 2008 11:24 am

You also believed at one time that we should go into Iraq.

IF we were going to become an isolationist country that could totally supply all of our energy needs and didn't have vital interest in that area, then I would probably agree with you this time.

As we're not going to become an isolationist country and we can't supply 100% of our energy needs and we need at least some stability in that region, I don't.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
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Post by Stephanie Thu May 29, 2008 12:01 pm

Yes, I did support it intially. Which proves even a stubborn old bull like me can change her mind when she realizes the error of her ways. Smile
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