Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement

I'm a little weary of it too, Mike. I'm willing to bet my eye teeth Sarah Palin knows the difference between "they're and their" and uses them appropriately, though.

Like knowing the difference between "your" and "you're"?

By unfit for prime time, unable to expect and then handle the kind of shenanigans played by media outlets, and a certain lack of eloquence necessary for someone spending time on national television.

Because Couric asked her some REALLY hard questions...

Give me a break. Go back and watch that interview and tell me that Palin was set up.

It is just someone's opinion, but... "BURY OBAMACARE WITH KENNEDY" (linky clicky).

Oh, where are the Buckleys and the Novaks? Voices of reason instead of mouth-breathing ranters.

If she lied, then why did Senate Democrats immediately remove the provision from their version of the bill?

Citation, please...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-health-end-of-life14-2009aug14,0,4670272.story

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2ZjOWNmNzdiYjdiNTYzNTdkMDkxYzg1MThlN2RkNGY=

Buckley is dead. His magazine is not.

Is Begala your idea of reasoned argument from the left?

From your article (thanks, by the way)...

Recently, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speculated that Obama and other Democrats wanted to set up "death panels" to decide who gets medical services and who does not.

In reality, the provision was designed to allow Medicare to pay doctors who counsel patients about planning for end-of-life decisions. The consultations would be voluntary and would provide information about living wills, healthcare proxies, pain medication and hospice.

Death panels? Hardly.

Is Begala your idea of reasoned argument from the left?

I said it was an opinion. It is an opinion that you are starting to hear echoed from both sides of the aisle.

So, you never answered my question... has not the GOP been pandering to the religious right since the '50's? Didn't REAL republicans, like Goldwater get leery of it?

TerryRC wrote:Anyone who claims they are able to see hundreds of thousands of gallons of rainwater clinging to the branches and leaves of the forest canopy should be careful at what they criticize.

And you are a lying fucking asshole.

I said that the canopy of a forest SLOWS the rate at which rainwater reaches streams.

Go peddle your idiocy somewhere else, Cogar.

BTW, I'm not a democrat, but your partisan ass just can't see that.

People that study silviculture agree with me.

If that's how you're going to react whenever someone gets the best of you, why bother Terry? At least when it comes to Sam, who owns you?

Perhaps you should stick to someone who doesn't get the best of you in every conversation but then I don't know what you and Hacker would talk about....

TerryRC wrote:From your article (thanks, by the way)...

Recently, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speculated that Obama and other Democrats wanted to set up "death panels" to decide who gets medical services and who does not.

In reality, the provision was designed to allow Medicare to pay doctors who counsel patients about planning for end-of-life decisions. The consultations would be voluntary and would provide information about living wills, healthcare proxies, pain medication and hospice.

Death panels? Hardly.

You ask for a citation, OC gave you one so quit being a coward and answer the question. If Democratic Senators didn't see the trappings of a death panel in the bill, why did they cave and remove it without so much as the slightest bit of resistance?

SamCogar wrote:

SheikBen wrote:Hi Sam,

and the side that was best at handling the media (which was itself complicit and clearly rooting for them) was the side that won.

GIMME A BREAK, Mike.

There was no "handling of the media", they were part n' parcel to it.

And no one in the McCain Camp or anyone else with a "loud voice" dared to violate protocol and call the media "liars and distorters", thus the gullible public believed what was said/written about Palin.

The media could have "painted" a picture of Jesus Christ as a Muslim "brother" to Obama and the same people would have swallowed it "hook, line and sinker".

They are all so engrossed in PC'ism that they have lost all touch with reality.

Like the fellow said, "I don't really care what is right or wrong, or what you think, ..... I got the microphone and that makes me right".

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You are quite correct that the media was Obama's willing lapdog in the process, but Palin should have been aware of this and adjusted her appearances accordingly.

Aaron wrote: I don't know what you and Hacker would talk about....

Hey, Terry: You my bud? LOL

You are quite correct that the media was Obama's willing lapdog in the process, but Palin should have been aware of this and adjusted her appearances accordingly.

Bush was quite aware of that, ...... but it didn't matter how in hell he adjusted his appearances, it didn't help him one bit.

TerryRC wrote:
And her trailer trash life took that boost away...

You've been spouting that trash for months now and I've provided you with plent of links disputing it and all you've done is continue to run your mouth. How about you put up or shut up!!!

Trailer trash life?

Terry, I can't believe you posted that.

tsk, tsk, tsk

He does that when pushed to admit his inadequacies, which is quite often.

And the more one pushes, the more venomous he becomes.

A “mark” of a good education, ya know.

In reality, the provision was designed to allow Medicare to pay doctors who counsel patients about planning for end-of-life decisions. The consultations would be voluntary and would provide information about living wills, healthcare proxies, pain medication and hospice.

I don't need the federal government to mandate conversations between my physician and me. I pay my physician expressly to keep me alive. I don't care what he thinks about smoking or drinking or losing my temper when talking about politics. All I want him to do is keep me alive just as he swore in his Hippocratic oath.

And you know what? Maybe the discussions are voluntary in this bill. But when they start insisting that we use healthcare to balance the budget as Obama has expressly said not once, not twice, but a score of times, pretty soon that conversation that the federal government mandated would come down to bypass surgery is too expensive. Why not just go on home and make that end-of-life decision?

In a narrow and technical way I guess you could argue that Palin's son is not in any jeopardy by anything pending in any committee of either House. But even if this administration is not willing to put her son to sleep there's no guarantee the next one won't. If she was wrong, how come the Senate Finance Committee quietly killed the "end-of-life" discussion? It sure looks to me like she was right on the money. I find it pretty remarkable that a former governor who thinks she can see Russia and is not ready for prime time was able to get the United States Senate to respond to her off-the-wall ranting.

Well I don't know about some of this stuff but I see nothing wrong with having an Independent Conservative movement.

Or an Independent Progressive movement for that matter.

Competition is a good thing.

Just like we need some competition in the insurance industry

Where is the competition for seniors Sodbuster? Can they take the money spent on Medicare on their behalf and shop around for a policy of their choice?

Most of us on Medicare have a seperate insurance that cover's the 20% that it dosent cover.
This would be a great help to those that dont belong to a group plan.

That wasn't my question. On average, the government spends somewhere in the range of $8,000 per person for Medicare. Under liberals chant of choice and competion with the public option, will the government extend that same choice to seniors by issuing them health care vouchers and allow them to spend that with a private insurance company if they so choose?

sodbuster wrote:Well I don't know about some of this stuff but I see nothing wrong with having an Independent Conservative movement.

Or an Independent Progressive movement for that matter.

Competition is a good thing.

Just like we need some competition in the insurance industry

Hey Sherm,

Good to hear from you. Competition IS a good thing, which is why there needs to be more competition across state lines between insurance companies. I think you are right that independent conservative and progressive parties are good. If nothing else, they can hold the major parties' feet to the fire.

I don't quite know what to think of all of this insurance business. I like the idea of anyone being able to pay a premium of under 1K a month for health insurance, but I really do not trust the government to do this right.

You ask for a citation, OC gave you one so quit being a coward and answer the question. If Democratic Senators didn't see the trappings of a death panel in the bill, why did they cave and remove it without so much as the slightest bit of resistance?

Because of public perception, true or not.

I acknowledged OC's article and actually read it. Did you?

Allowing people to make voluntary end of life decisions is not the same as a "death panel" and you know it.

You've been spouting that trash for months now and I've provided you with plent of links disputing it and all you've done is continue to run your mouth. How about you put up or shut up!!!

Are you mad because I am attacking your girlfriend? She has an unwed daughter with a baby. She tried to use her influence to get her brother-in-law in trouble. She found HERSELF innocent of ethics charges.

Post all of the links you like. That woman is far from classy and I live in a trailer.

He does that when pushed to admit his inadequacies, which is quite often.

Sam, can't you come up with anything but lying about what I have said and making character attacks? Go back to drinking beer and being misogynistic.

And you call this debate.

Please.

Just about everything that has ever been critized has either been deemed a misunderstanding, never happened or a lie.

The woman had an unwed pregnant daughter in high school, the father of which just had his mom arrested for meth making. Palin abandoned her constituency (to start making six figures, at a minimum), after being under investigation for multiple ethics charges (some of which she absolved herself of).

Which one of those very classy facts is a lie?

I hope she does take the fundies and the extremists into a new party. Then the rest of us can hopefully fix the party of our fathers, you know, before it was all about god, guns and gays.