Palin Hints At Independent Conservative Movement

The Republican party needs to stop taking advice from liberals, pure and simple. McCain ran a lackluster campaign--for every TerryRC he alienated with the Palin choice he gained 2 conservatives who would otherwise have voted for someone else or stayed home, which many did anyway.

You can't run a Republican campaign against George W Bush and Wall Street.

The Republican party needs to stop taking advice from liberals, pure and simple. McCain ran a lackluster campaign--for every TerryRC he alienated with the Palin choice he gained 2 conservatives who would otherwise have voted for someone else or stayed home, which many did anyway.

That explains his double-digit lag in the polls by the end of October - the flocking of the conservatives THAT WERE GOING TO VOTE REPUBLICAN ANYWAY.

You don't see it due to your deep seated hatred for her because of her religion.

Right, Aaron. Her idiocy (like her bankrupting of Wasilla with her stadium project) and her inability to articulate complete sentences (like in her interviews and her VP debate) had nothing to do with it.

Her implying in speeches the bible-thumping rednecks are "real Americans" and anyone to the left of that is some sort of enemy totally had NOTHING to do with my rampant dislike for this woman.

Meh...

I pray for a Palin run in 2012. i figure with her as a figurehead, the truly rabid conservatives will look more foolish than they already do.

Apparently there are other people that feel that the GOP has been coddling the far right WAY too much...

Willard: Republicans should reject radical right

First, Obama didn't hold a double digit lead in any bi-partisan polls a week before the election. That's another of your fallacies. But even if he did open such a lead in some of the more liberal polls, that doesn’t change the fact that Palin reduced double digit leads to leads well with the margin of error, and even gave Republicans the advantage in some polls after she was announced as VP. That can not be disputed, thus you are WRONG, no matter how much you try to argue the fact.

First, Obama didn't hold a double digit lead in any bi-partisan polls a week before the election. That's another of your fallacies. But even if he did open such a lead in some of the more liberal polls, that doesn’t change the fact that Palin reduced double digit leads to leads well with the margin of error, and even gave Republicans the advantage in some polls after she was announced as VP. That can not be disputed, thus you are WRONG, no matter how much you try to argue the fact.

Look at the polls from the week of Oct 23rd. Look at them across the board. They all show declines for McCain. Yes there was a brief boost from Palin. No, it did not last.

You have not provided ONE bit of evidence that Palin helped McCain any more than any other running mate. You have not provided a single bit of evidence that Palin did not actually harm McCain's campaign. I'd save posing your childish little emoticons until you actually learn how to debate - wait, if you knew how to do that, you wouldn't NEED the little emoticons...

Every bit of OBJECTIVE commentary, even from republican commentators shows that Palin was a load.

Saint Sarah is not going to save the GOP, more's the pity.

Ask Alaskan republicans what they think of Palin right now...

Once again, you're allowing your hatred for the most beautiful woman in politics to cloud your already questionable judgment.

I never said she wasn't a load or that she was going to save the GOP nor do I care what Alaska republican think of her any more then I care what you think of her. I've proven my argument time and again and you know it which is why you keep moving the conversation. Seems you've perfected that 'true Scotsman' style of debate Terry.

Regardless, you're still wrong and no amount of protest or shifting the conversation is going to change that.

Keep trying though. If nothing else, your desperation is amusing.

I didn't even know Fred Willard was a republican. This ices it for me.

Once again, you're allowing your hatred for the most beautiful woman in politics to cloud your already questionable judgment.

I see what you believe her qualifications for office are...

Regardless, you're still wrong and no amount of protest or shifting the conversation is going to change that.

Right. Poll numbers back up my theory that Palin hurt McCain's campaign. In some polls at the end of October it was a couple of points, in others it was as high as 11%.

What evidence have you provided that I am wrong?

Nothing.

Where is your evidence that Palin helped the GOP more than she hurt it? Is the GOP stronger than ever - or does it look look foolish for putting this ditz in the national spotlight?

Her husband was the member of an Alaskan secessionist party and she has the nerve to imply that other Americans are enemies of the country?

Please...

I didn't even know Fred Willard was a republican. This ices it for me.

Not sure where you are going, Ohio.

Surely the GOP used to have its Goldwaters and Doles. Where are they now? Screamed out by the extreme right.

Palin lets more stupid fall out of her mouth:

The woman lied through her teeth and accused a sitting president of planning "death panels".

What the hell does she know about civility?

I hope this woman does start an independent movement. It should pull the most rabidly conservative people right down into the realm of ineffectiveness.

I didn't even know Fred Willard was a republican. This ices it for me.

Ahhh... I see.

Your mistake. I never said he was.

How much time did you waste finding Dean Willard? Having found him, do you have any idea who he is? Why would his opinion carry any more weight than Aaron's?

Frankly, I find Fred Willard more credible.

How much time did you waste finding Dean Willard? Having found him, do you have any idea who he is? Why would his opinion carry any more weight than Aaron's?

I wasted no time at all. I never said that it was anything BUT another's opinion, either.

So, Ohio. Where are the Goldwater and the Doles that used to be the real heart of the GOP?

Even you, whom I don't consider an extreme right-winger, laugh at moderates and "RINO"s.

The GOP HAS shifted to the right. It HAS alienated moderate republicans.

I fail to see how anyone can deny that.

Aaron wrote:You don't see it due to your deep seated hatred for her because of her religion.

It has nothing to do with her religion.

It is her gender, her achievements, her experiences, her common sense, her speaking ability, her great looks and her lack of a Higher Ed Degree ........

that really pisses him off.




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It is her gender, her achievements, her experiences, her common sense, her speaking ability, her great looks and her lack of a Higher Ed Degree ........

Sam, I see you have nothing to contribute this morning.

It is her hypocrisy that pisses me off, if you must know.

Her speaking ability is a joke. You must have never heard her. Fungible molecules and I can see Russia from my porch...

The only reason she is popular is because she demonizes others.

BTW, she DOES have a college degree Sam, so you are wrong about the lack of a higher ED. degree.

Don't speak on subjects you are ignorant of, Sam. It makes you look... well... ignorant.

I consider myself an extreme right-winger and I just don't see many moderate republicans either now or historically. And I cannot see where evangelical Christians are a threat to me. At this moment I am registered as a republican but only because I supported Ron Paul for President.

If the republican party is in disarray it isn't because of Sarah Palin. It is because Bush selected a vice president who could not or would not seek to succeed him. McCain was too moderate to stoke fire in anyone's belly. He was the darling of the press who pretended to admire his candor but only wanted to advance a moderate.

TerryRC wrote:The GOP HAS shifted to the right. It HAS alienated moderate republicans.

I fail to see how anyone can deny that.

That doesn't surprise me, ...... given the fact that you are intellectually blind in one eye and nurtured-deficient in the other one.

That doesn't surprise me, ...... given the fact that you are intellectually blind in one eye and nurtured-deficient in the other one.

Another love-filled, informative post from our resident genius.

I consider myself an extreme right-winger and I just don't see many moderate republicans either now or historically. And I cannot see where evangelical Christians are a threat to me. At this moment I am registered as a republican but only because I supported Ron Paul for President.

Ohio, The GOP hasn't been pandering to the religious right since the '50's?

It is your assertion that the extreme right, religious or otherwise, is the core, the heart and soul of the republican party?

I can't believe that is true. I think that part of the GOP screams the loudest but can't see that they make the bulk of republicans.

TerryRC wrote: Her speaking ability is a joke. You must have never heard her. Fungible molecules and I can see Russia from my porch....

Anyone who claims they are able to see hundreds of thousands of gallons of rainwater clinging to the branches and leaves of the forest canopy should be careful at what they criticize.

ohio county wrote: It is because Bush selected a vice president who could not or would not seek to succeed him.

The DNC, biased media and the loyal partisan "See-No-Evil" Democrats, like TRC, would have "eaten him alive" because of his heart condition.

Democrats don't have a problem with one of their own having an adverse brain condition but a Republican with a heart condition is a definite "NO NO".

TerryRC wrote:Once again, you're allowing your hatred for the most beautiful woman in politics to cloud your already questionable judgment.

I see what you believe her qualifications for office are...

Regardless, you're still wrong and no amount of protest or shifting the conversation is going to change that.

Right. Poll numbers back up my theory that Palin hurt McCain's campaign. In some polls at the end of October it was a couple of points, in others it was as high as 11%.

What evidence have you provided that I am wrong?

Nothing.

Where is your evidence that Palin helped the GOP more than she hurt it? Is the GOP stronger than ever - or does it look look foolish for putting this ditz in the national spotlight?

Her husband was the member of an Alaskan secessionist party and she has the nerve to imply that other Americans are enemies of the country?

Please...

First, I've never said I supported her and just because I recognize her beauty isn't reason enough for me to vote for her. Unlike 63 million Americans, give or take a few, I look for what's in the package, not how it's wrapped or how it sounds when I make my decisions.

What is it now that I'm supposed to prove? That Palin gave McCain a boost because that's what I've stated all along.

Ok, here's one of dozens of stories you can find if you google "Palin McCain campaign boost."

Looks good enough to me but feel free to prove me wrong if you can.

TerryRC wrote:Palin lets more stupid fall out of her mouth:

The woman lied through her teeth and accused a sitting president of planning "death panels".

What the hell does she know about civility?

I hope this woman does start an independent movement. It should pull the most rabidly conservative people right down into the realm of ineffectiveness.

If she lied, then why did Senate Democrats immediately remove the provision from their version of the bill?

And if she's such a nothing Terry and no threat to Democrats and liberals, then why is she STILL the target of so much wrath and hate 10 montsh AFTER the election?

Sarah Palin has scared the BEJESUS out of the Democrats before and for months after the Election, ....... but she has really got them scared shidtless now.

They now know that if she runs in either 2010 or 2012 that damn near everyone who attended a "Tea Party" or a Town Hall meeting on healthcare proposals and/or agreed with those that did, ...... will vote for her in force.

I was thinking when I was out walking Ali about some of the things you've said Terry. In your zeal to somehow prove Sarah brought down McCain's campaign, you keep pointing to the double digit lead Obama had in the polls by the end of October but what you're not taking into consideration is that after the convention, it was Palin who drew record crowds everywhere she went. Now if I were citing conservative publications, you might have a counter argument, but as all the sources I've quoted lean to the left, it shows just how much of a positive effect Palin actually had on McCain's campaign and proves what I've said all along as correct.

Now that I've proven what I stated absolutely correctly, it's time to address the lead Obama opened up at the end of the campaign. The answer is simple. During the last month of the campaign, Sarah Palin's appearances were dramatically cut back. If you believe the left and even some of McCain's campaign personnel, they will say it was due to her gaffe's but the simple truth is, Palin was outdrawing McCain at rally after rally after rally, was bringing in more contributions to the campaign and there was open talk from the right of those who preferred Palin over McCain.

McCain's aids were worried she was getting too much press, even more then McCain thus the reason for his campaign cutting back her schedule. She lobbied to campaign more, including giving more interviews and doing more debates. But moderates (whatever that is) would have none of that as they feared her as much as you guys on the left still do, thus the muffled her, not for gaffes but for overshadowing the Presidential candidate.