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Post by SamCogar Thu May 19, 2011 6:30 am

The 2012 GOP field just got smaller. The disappointment among Republican voters looking for a candidate to stir them and the reluctance of so many real political stars to get in the race remains the most telling aspect of the strangest year yet in national Republican politics.

In the history of modern Republican presidential politics this year will go down as the year best described by that silly 1960's song “Please, General Custer, I don’t want to go.” And this they don't want to go to Iowa.

None of the big names wants to get into the race. None of the big money has picked a candidate and given them momentum. And the split between social conservatives and fiscal conservatives has the lackluster entries currently in the race fearful that they won’t be able to unite the party.

Iowa’s Republican Governor, Terry Branstad, gave testimony to the painfully slow start to the big GOP race this week when he publicly pleaded for possible candidates to please come visit his state where the caucuses will mark the start of actual vote counting in less than nine months.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/18/incredible-shrinking-gop-presidential-race/

It wouldn't surprise me any if Obama "bails out" of the 2012 Election.

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Post by Aaron Thu May 19, 2011 9:07 am

The two entities that are suffering from candidates getting in the race are those in Iowa and New Hampshire who prosper from candidates who come courting early and the national media. In the last Democratic election, John Edwards started visiting Iowa in 2005 with the rest coming in late 2006.

Obama didn't court the state as much for obvious reasons yet he still won the state so why should someone like Daniels committ and come early to compete against candidates who everyone agrees cannot win the Republican nomination but if they somehow should, cannot defeat Obama?
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Post by SheikBen Thu May 19, 2011 10:54 am

I think the would be kings are wise to sit back. You wait for a time when all hope seems lost, "swoop in" with a money bomb and descend on Iowa. My money is on an announcement from a Daniels or Christie within two weeks.

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Post by Aaron Thu May 19, 2011 12:56 pm

I think Daniels will get in, I'm not so sure about Christie. Were I advising either though, I see no reason to get in within the next two weeks. The Caucus is not until February so I wouldn't get in before September at the earliest were I making the decision. In today's 24 hour news cycle, I don't think it takes very long to catch up to those who preceeded you in the race.
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Post by Stephanie Thu May 19, 2011 6:13 pm

I believe Bachmann is running. For the first time I received an email from her touting her hard work and many glories.

FYI, Aaron, in head to head match up Ron Paul polls better among likely voters than any other Republican candidate against Obama. I want to say that was a PPP poll. If need be I can locate it for you.
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Post by Aaron Thu May 19, 2011 7:50 pm

I can see that Stephanie. I was called last week by someone and I chose Dr. No above all others.
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Post by SamCogar Sun May 22, 2011 6:22 am

In following the lead of Mike Huckabee and Donald Trump, Mitch Daniels announced he will not seek the 2012 GOP Nomination, confirmed in a statement late Saturday

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Post by SheikBen Mon May 23, 2011 7:42 am

Pawlenty's in, might do well. considering his success in a blue state.

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Post by SamCogar Mon May 23, 2011 10:41 am

I was saying ... Pawlenty and Palin,

but I might have to change that to ... Pawlenty and Bachmann

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Post by SheikBen Mon May 23, 2011 12:13 pm

I think Pawlenty and Bachmann could take it to Obama very handily.

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Post by Aaron Mon May 23, 2011 5:04 pm

I would put my money on Obama Mike.
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Post by ohio county Mon May 23, 2011 8:42 pm

I would put my money on Obama Mike.

I think that's smart money.

I think Pawlenty and Bachmann could take it to Obama very handily.

At this early stage of the campaign I think this might be more likely. Although I'm thinking more Pawlenty and Cain. But that's just me. I'm a little cynical and think the republicans are afraid to be accused of racism. Ergo, they nominate their own token black man under the assumption they can either control him or ignore him.

Obama's still got the black vote. He's going to get less of the youth vote. Nobody else will get it - it's just their attention span is too short. The Jews will run from him (not that there's that many of them). Independents will reassert their independence. What little he's managed to accomplish for unions will be erased posthaste. And not a minute too soon...
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Post by ohio county Mon May 23, 2011 9:56 pm

Here's what I mean. I don't relish an argument with Aaron and don't often have one. But I liked what happened when Netanyahu and Obama met in the White House.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/netanyahus-rules-debate

In this article, Hugh Hewitt says that:

First, let the president talk, and talk, and talk. (And talk.) His frequent rhetorical cul-de-sacs numb the minds of listeners and set up the opportunity for sharp contrasts between the definitive and the ambiguous, the purposeful and the feckless.

Second, look right at him when responding. This so unnerved President Obama that his anger and frustration was visible. Whether he brought the sense of superiority to the White House or whether it erupted there, the president does not care for people who challenge him directly, cannot seem to believe that anyone would have the temerity to do so. This is the sign of a deep insecurity, and Netanyahu used it.

Next, speak from specifics, using facts and especially history. Netanyahu used history to spank the president on Friday. A GOP nominee armed with specific references -- not just to Obama's many blunders but also to clear evidence of the American exceptionalism that Obama has clearly rejected -- will put the wordy academic on his heels.

Finally, express core truths bluntly -- especially the harshest ones, such as the nature of Hamas. The president has been shrinking from clarity for more than two years, whether it is clarity on Iran, on the butcher Assad and the nutter Chavez, and most recently on the key Palestinian problem -- that Hamas, like Hezbollah to the north, wants Israel destroyed.

The unspoken truth is that no republican has the strength of character to criticize Obama for fear he'll be labelled "racist". McCain did not. Who does? Obama doesn't know squat. In a real debate he'd be toast. What was his experience prior to the White House? He voted "present" several times and sponsored legislation requiring that fetuses once aborted had better damn well stay aborted. Popular stuff that.

Obama wants Israel to return to 1967 borders? Okay. How about we return to 1967 budget numbers? I'd go for that. I'd even push Israel to accept the 1967 borders if that was a condition...
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Post by ohio county Mon May 23, 2011 10:12 pm

I'm sorry. Not two but three successive posts. This is bad. Nevertheless, you have to see this:

http://www.thenation.com/article/160782/obama-and-black-americans-paradox-hope

The economic gap between black and white has grown since Obama took power. Under his tenure black unemployment, poverty and foreclosures are at their highest levels for at least a decade. . . .

If it were white Americans who remained this loyal to a Republican president under whom they were doing this badly, the left would be claiming false consciousness. If a Republican president were behind statistics like these, few liberals would be offering that president the benefit of the doubt.

So, how do we explain this apparent inconsistency?

See what I mean? Oh, yes, Obama still has a swell headstart. He just has so many negatives...
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Post by Aaron Mon May 23, 2011 11:52 pm

I won't argue with you OC as my money is based more on a hunch then anything else. I don't believe the media will reporton Obama negatives or Pawlenty (or whomever the nominee is) positives.

If a Repbulican is going to win they are going to have to have a few things. First, they are going to have lots of money (which the media and liberals will likely accuse them of trying to buy the election) and then they are going to need a huge conservative turnout which means at least one member of the ticket has to appeal to the far right. That means Bachman to me.

And even then, it will be a very close election. Liberals, the media and the Obama camp will accuse the right or racism at every turn and Bush will still be blamed for all that is bad since 1946 including Charlie Sheen's recent behavior.

So while my heart wants a conservative win, my head just thinks that right now, it's just too much to overcome.
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Post by SamCogar Tue May 24, 2011 9:59 am

Although I'm thinking more Pawlenty and Cain.

I was thinking that also. Cain looks to me to be a “powerful force” that could pull a lot of the black vote away from Obama

But the lefty partisan demogogging Democrats will have a field day iffen Herman Cain starts gaining in the "poll numbers".

You will be reading n' hearing dastardly devious remarks and references to such things as:

Herman Munster
Herman Monster
Cain n' Able
Cain n' Unable
Cain Mutiny
Cainbreak

But never a ….

Citizen Cain

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Post by Aaron Tue May 24, 2011 10:09 am

If Cain runs, he'll be labeled an Uncle Tom and won't pull more then a few percentage points of the black vote from Obama.
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Post by Stephanie Tue May 24, 2011 10:41 am

Cain is a political rube. He is absolutely clueless. By some miracle did any of you see him on Fox Sunday with that little twerp Chris Wallace? I got so freaking angry with Wallace for letting him off the hook I was yelling at the tv screen. I wonder if it is possible to view the interview online. I hope if it is it's the entire thing because how an individual can be that moronic and amass the kind of wealth Cain has simply amazes me.
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Post by Stephanie Tue May 24, 2011 10:48 am

You've just got to see this.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/954878611001/herman-cain-talks-presidential-bid/
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Post by SheikBen Tue May 24, 2011 10:51 am

I think Jimmy is correct, as he often is, when he asserts that a Republican with clarity and a backbone will do very well. Part of this is reltaed to the whole "accusation of buying the election" that Aaron brings up. A Republican with the spine to call out Obama for not taking public funding in 2008 so he can spend whatever he wishes can put any such accusations squarely to bed. A Republican willing to cite specific data on energy costs, the deficit, unemployment rates, etc., will do very well. I don't think it would be wise to run Cain as VP, as I think the left would characterize that as blacks playing second fiddle. I like Cain for President and would gladly vote for him, despite some glaring errors on his part noted by Stephanie, I think the man is truly decent and I've greatly enjoyed what I've heard from him on the campaign trail. Perhaps Cain/Pawlenty?

Let the media call Cain a racist. Let the left try it. Even the numb would feel their foolishness.

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Post by Stephanie Tue May 24, 2011 10:56 am

I'm begging anybody who is even thinking about Cain as a serious candidate watch this video in its entirety. Did you watch that entire interview, Mike?
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Post by SheikBen Tue May 24, 2011 10:59 am

I saw the interview and was also unimpressed--however, see his performance in the debates. One thing that Mr Cain said was that he would surround himself with experts who would make up for that which he lacks.

I agree that Dr No is a better candidate with better views and a better ability to elucidate those views. However, I will vote for Mr Cain gladly against Obama, and I think he is the better rhetorical opponent for him. I voted for Paul in the primaries in 2008 and plan to again--but considering the alternatives, I like this man Cain.


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Post by Stephanie Tue May 24, 2011 11:08 am

Here is what he said the "Cain Plan" is:

First you pay the interest on the debt to the Chinese.
Then you take care of our military families.
Then you make Social Security payments.
Then you pay Medicare.
Everything else is fair game for cuts...blah blah blah....

But Ben Bernanke says it's too late for that Mr. Cain.

Bernanke is absolutely right. It is too late.

So the Cain plan can't work?

No, it's too late for that.

SO THERE IS NO PLAN!!!!

Wait, there is more precious stuff.

"What about the "right of return"?

"Right of return. Right of return."

"Yes, the Palestinians right of return."

OMG......DID YOU ACTUALLY WITNESS THAT? I'm sorry, I know I should "yell".

It isn't just the interview either. I've got a link or two to find and post...
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Post by Stephanie Tue May 24, 2011 11:11 am

Far from Nationalization, Purchase of Bank Stocks Is a Win-Win for Taxpayers

October 20, 2008

Earth to taxpayers! Owning stocks in banks is not nationalization of the banking industry. It’s trying to solve a problem.



The unprecedented financial crisis has caused the Treasury of the United States to take unprecedented measures to help solve the problem of frozen credit and cash flow for U.S. businesses.



Most of us had dreams of what we wanted to be when we grew up as children. Some of us wanted to grow up and become a fireman, a policeman, a doctor, a nurse, a lawyer, a teacher, an actor, an engineer, a writer, a dancer, a chef or any number of other professions.



But some of us wanted to own a bank because that’s where the money is!



Wake up people! Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem.



But the mainstream media and the free market purists want you to believe that this is the end of capitalism as we know it. It is not for several reasons that they have conveniently not explained.



First, instead of buying toxic mortgage-related assets of banks as originally proposed, the Treasury has changed tactics and will buy equity positions called preferred stocks, which gives us as taxpayers an ownership stake in their success for a limited period of time.



Preferred stock means we get paid a dividend before any other stockholders get paid a dividend when they make a profit. You got a problem with that?



Second, the purchase agreement between the Treasury and the participating banks has an incentive for the banks to re-purchase the stock back from the Treasury within five years.



If the banks do not re-purchase the stock in five years then we get a bigger dividend until they do re-purchase the stock. That’s a good deal!



The free market purists’ objection to this is that it smacks at government control of the banking industry, which is called nationalization. They are correct. It smacks, but it is not nationalization because that would require the government to own at least 51 percent of the entity for an indefinite period of time.



The ownership by the taxpayers is going to be relatively small and nowhere near the amount needed to be called nationalization. So what’s the problem?



The problem is economic illiteracy and media incompetence. Some people want to continue to fan the flames of anger and outrage over how we got into this mess in the first place. Anger and outrage will not solve the problem.



Unprecedented problems require unprecedented solutions. The actions by the Treasury are a win-win for the taxpayer. But the mainstream media does not get brownie points for reporting win-win solutions for the taxpayers. Their focus is doom and gloom.



These actions by the Treasury, the Federal Reserve Bank and the actions by the Federal Depositors Insurance Corporation (FDIC) are all intended to help solve an unprecedented financial crisis. Unlike steps taken prior to and during the Great Depression, these actions have a high probability of success.



In order for these collective actions to work, the media needs to calm its crisis rhetoric, and Congress needs to just shut up with its political rhetoric.



Now don’t tell Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, but if this works, and I believe it will, the Bush Administration will have gotten this one right.



As we say in the South, y’all hush!
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